It is not about the defeat in the first game, not at all. It is about the risk to lose and go into the Europa League. That would be a very dangerous strategy to just go for second place. They need to play their absolute best with the strongest squad possible. Anything else would be naive.
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It is not about the defeat in the first game, not at all. It is about the risk to lose and go into the Europa League. That would be a very dangerous strategy to just go for second place. They need to play their absolute best with the strongest squad possible. Anything else would be naive.
It is not about the defeat in the first game, not at all. It is about the risk to lose and go into the Europa League. That would be a very dangerous strategy to just go for second place. They need to play their absolute best with the strongest squad possible. Anything else would be naive.
Although currently Manchester United has experienced some painful defeats, but I am very optimistic that Manchester United will be able to beat Vila Real, because a big club like Manchester United, has a big history in the Champions League, I am optimistic that Manchester United will be able to advance to the last 16 of the Champions League.
I don't know how you manage to see hope in this team, perhaps, your a die hard fan (no need to take me on it, I'm just saying) but, from the games they've played so far as you know it, even in the UCL and EPL, it's been a hard win for them with Ole managing the team. Manchester United don't seem much like an elite team anymore, same could be said of Barcelona too. They seem to be at a better place to advance but so do Villarreal and I'm sure, Atalanta would be beating Young Boys to bag all 3 points and make it to an 8 points in total. Ronaldo saved them @Manchester United the last time, let's hope he also does the same come 23rd too. 
Looking at the schedule for the next match, there is Villarreal vs Man United, I'm quite looking forward to whether the result will be won by Villarreal or United. This match is one of the determinants of Ole's fate at United, if they lose I think the news of Ole's sacking will be heard more quickly even though in fact their successive defeats occurred in the Premier League but the impact on Ole is quite large in this champion league. With the condition of the Villarreal team being quite stable, I don't think it will be easy for Ole and his team.
Although currently Manchester United has experienced some painful defeats, but I am very optimistic that Manchester United will be able to beat Vila Real, because a big club like Manchester United, has a big history in the Champions League, I am optimistic that Manchester United will be able to advance to the last 16 of the Champions League. 
Chelsea - Juventus is going to be an important game for each team in terms of having the lead in their group. And Chelsea must win this if they want to take the lead. Because the first criterion to decide which team will be ahead is head-to-head matches. If Chelsea don't win this, they won't have another choice to be the leader. And considering the general forms of both teams, Chelsea seem to be closer to reaching the victory. Juventus defeated them by 1-0 in Turin. But I don't think that they will even draw with Chelsea. I'm expecting them to play defensive to secure a draw. But I don't think they can resist Chelsea till the end.
I actually think Juve could secure at least a draw, it's a tricky match since Juventus are doing bad in Serie A but they have been winning every match in the champions league, I think it's because players are motivated to play in CL more than the local championship especially after a bad start and them being away from the top 3 which made them kind of give up, this match against Chelsea will be trick as I said, because you don't know which face Juve will show in this match.A draw might be possible because for Chelsea it means they are through, but Chelsea probably won't play for a draw. They could really get into trouble if they lose the game. Keep in mind that the game against Zenits was only 1 - 0 for Chelsea. If Chelsea loses this and Zenit wins the next game, they have 6 points a final against Chelsea in a home game with real chances to make it to the final stage of the CL then. I am sure Chelsea is trying to play this one for the total three points.
It is not about the defeat in the first game, not at all. It is about the risk to lose and go into the Europa League. That would be a very dangerous strategy to just go for second place. They need to play their absolute best with the strongest squad possible. Anything else would be naive.
Yes, these odds look pretty unfair for Juventus. Juventus may perform poorly in Serie A, but as often happens in Euro cups, this is a completely different game with a different level of concentration, motivation and results. Maybe it takes into account the fact that Juventus has already secured a place in the playoffs and will not waste energy? But on the other hand, it is more profitable to take the first place in the group than the second.
It’s not why risk energy... It’s why risk injury that would cost them another set of bad runs in the Serie A. Juventus can take it easy vs Chelsea and give some players on the bench some time on the pitch, hopefully get a draw and do it again vs Malmo and could even win.
From a betting perspective it feels like an under 2.5 kind of scenario. Not much value at 1.86 tho. Pass...
Even if Juventus makes a certain rotation of the squad, this will not greatly affect its chances - the second-tier players will be as motivated as possible (especially in the Champions League match) to show themselves and prove to the coach that they need to be given more playing practice. In any case, such odds are unfounded. Now it looks like Chelsea is the Real Madrid of its golden era and Juventus is an average team.
Chelsea - Juventus is going to be an important game for each team in terms of having the lead in their group. And Chelsea must win this if they want to take the lead. Because the first criterion to decide which team will be ahead is head-to-head matches. If Chelsea don't win this, they won't have another choice to be the leader. And considering the general forms of both teams, Chelsea seem to be closer to reaching the victory. Juventus defeated them by 1-0 in Turin. But I don't think that they will even draw with Chelsea. I'm expecting them to play defensive to secure a draw. But I don't think they can resist Chelsea till the end.
I actually think Juve could secure at least a draw, it's a tricky match since Juventus are doing bad in Serie A but they have been winning every match in the champions league, I think it's because players are motivated to play in CL more than the local championship especially after a bad start and them being away from the top 3 which made them kind of give up, this match against Chelsea will be trick as I said, because you don't know which face Juve will show in this match.A draw might be possible because for Chelsea it means they are through, but Chelsea probably won't play for a draw. They could really get into trouble if they lose the game. Keep in mind that the game against Zenits was only 1 - 0 for Chelsea. If Chelsea loses this and Zenit wins the next game, they have 6 points a final against Chelsea in a home game with real chances to make it to the final stage of the CL then. I am sure Chelsea is trying to play this one for the total three points.
Chelsea - Juventus is going to be an important game for each team in terms of having the lead in their group. And Chelsea must win this if they want to take the lead. Because the first criterion to decide which team will be ahead is head-to-head matches. If Chelsea don't win this, they won't have another choice to be the leader. And considering the general forms of both teams, Chelsea seem to be closer to reaching the victory. Juventus defeated them by 1-0 in Turin. But I don't think that they will even draw with Chelsea. I'm expecting them to play defensive to secure a draw. But I don't think they can resist Chelsea till the end.
I actually think Juve could secure at least a draw, it's a tricky match since Juventus are doing bad in Serie A but they have been winning every match in the champions league, I think it's because players are motivated to play in CL more than the local championship especially after a bad start and them being away from the top 3 which made them kind of give up, this match against Chelsea will be trick as I said, because you don't know which face Juve will show in this match.A draw might be possible because for Chelsea it means they are through, but Chelsea probably won't play for a draw. They could really get into trouble if they lose the game. Keep in mind that the game against Zenits was only 1 - 0 for Chelsea. If Chelsea loses this and Zenit wins the next game, they have 6 points a final against Chelsea in a home game with real chances to make it to the final stage of the CL then. I am sure Chelsea is trying to play this one for the total three points.
Chelsea - Juventus is going to be an important game for each team in terms of having the lead in their group. And Chelsea must win this if they want to take the lead. Because the first criterion to decide which team will be ahead is head-to-head matches. If Chelsea don't win this, they won't have another choice to be the leader. And considering the general forms of both teams, Chelsea seem to be closer to reaching the victory. Juventus defeated them by 1-0 in Turin. But I don't think that they will even draw with Chelsea. I'm expecting them to play defensive to secure a draw. But I don't think they can resist Chelsea till the end.
I actually think Juve could secure at least a draw, it's a tricky match since Juventus are doing bad in Serie A but they have been winning every match in the champions league, I think it's because players are motivated to play in CL more than the local championship especially after a bad start and them being away from the top 3 which made them kind of give up, this match against Chelsea will be trick as I said, because you don't know which face Juve will show in this match. 
Chelsea - Juventus is going to be an important game for each team in terms of having the lead in their group. And Chelsea must win this if they want to take the lead. Because the first criterion to decide which team will be ahead is head-to-head matches. If Chelsea don't win this, they won't have another choice to be the leader. And considering the general forms of both teams, Chelsea seem to be closer to reaching the victory. Juventus defeated them by 1-0 in Turin. But I don't think that they will even draw with Chelsea. I'm expecting them to play defensive to secure a draw. But I don't think they can resist Chelsea till the end.
chelsea has the upper hand in this match because indeed the stampord bridge is sometimes too scary to enter, especially for juventus who this week will play quite difficult because indeed in serie a he will also play lazio in the same week which is 3 days before against chelsea.on the other hand chelsea are also seeded with full support and this could be a grave for juventus at this stage.
Chelsea - Juventus is going to be an important game for each team in terms of having the lead in their group. And Chelsea must win this if they want to take the lead. Because the first criterion to decide which team will be ahead is head-to-head matches. If Chelsea don't win this, they won't have another choice to be the leader. And considering the general forms of both teams, Chelsea seem to be closer to reaching the victory. Juventus defeated them by 1-0 in Turin. But I don't think that they will even draw with Chelsea. I'm expecting them to play defensive to secure a draw. But I don't think they can resist Chelsea till the end.
If Man United loses to Villareal then Atalanta will overtake the points. For me, I'm pretty sure the Young boys can lose to Atalanta, only Man United is still under threat with a slight difference in points, and Ole Gunner somehow has to survive with his win, but this away match is quite tough for him to win. Ole is quite immune to negative news about his dismissal, until now it is still being maintained even though it is clear how United are currently playing in the premier league. But he like a mother's favorite child.
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Looking at the schedule for the next match, there is Villarreal vs Man United, I'm quite looking forward to whether the result will be won by Villarreal or United. This match is one of the determinants of Ole's fate at United, if they lose I think the news of Ole's sacking will be heard more quickly even though in fact their successive defeats occurred in the Premier League but the impact on Ole is quite large in this champion league. With the condition of the Villarreal team being quite stable, I don't think it will be easy for Ole and his team.
If Man United loses to Villareal then Atalanta will overtake the points. For me, I'm pretty sure the Young boys can lose to Atalanta, only Man United is still under threat with a slight difference in points, and Ole Gunner somehow has to survive with his win, but this away match is quite tough for him to win.Ole is quite immune to negative news about his dismissal, until now it is still being maintained even though it is clear how United are currently playing in the premier league.
But he like a mother's favorite child.
Looking at the schedule for the next match, there is Villarreal vs Man United, I'm quite looking forward to whether the result will be won by Villarreal or United. This match is one of the determinants of Ole's fate at United, if they lose I think the news of Ole's sacking will be heard more quickly even though in fact their successive defeats occurred in the Premier League but the impact on Ole is quite large in this champion league. With the condition of the Villarreal team being quite stable, I don't think it will be easy for Ole and his team.
If Man United loses to Villareal then Atalanta will overtake the points. For me, I'm pretty sure the Young boys can lose to Atalanta, only Man United is still under threat with a slight difference in points, and Ole Gunner somehow has to survive with his win, but this away match is quite tough for him to win.Ole is quite immune to negative news about his dismissal, until now it is still being maintained even though it is clear how United are currently playing in the premier league.
But he like a mother's favorite child.
Looking at the schedule for the next match, there is Villarreal vs Man United, I'm quite looking forward to whether the result will be won by Villarreal or United. This match is one of the determinants of Ole's fate at United, if they lose I think the news of Ole's sacking will be heard more quickly even though in fact their successive defeats occurred in the Premier League but the impact on Ole is quite large in this champion league. With the condition of the Villarreal team being quite stable, I don't think it will be easy for Ole and his team.
Well Chelsea lost its first game against Juve in Turin and I doubt they will accept to lose again. Bookies are backing Chelsea much @1.77 vs @4.7. Not sure if there will be some modifications for the odds few days before the game but the actual one is underestimating Juve a lot imo.
Yes, these odds look pretty unfair for Juventus. Juventus may perform poorly in Serie A, but as often happens in Euro cups, this is a completely different game with a different level of concentration, motivation and results. Maybe it takes into account the fact that Juventus has already secured a place in the playoffs and will not waste energy? But on the other hand, it is more profitable to take the first place in the group than the second.
It’s not why risk energy... It’s why risk injury that would cost them another set of bad runs in the Serie A. Juventus can take it easy vs Chelsea and give some players on the bench some time on the pitch, hopefully get a draw and do it again vs Malmo and could even win.
From a betting perspective it feels like an under 2.5 kind of scenario. Not much value at 1.86 tho. Pass...
I don't know how book makers decide their odds. Somewhere 2.77 odds would have been ok for Juventus. Besides, first leg Juventus won. Apart from that Juventus have their prestige to maintain, it's a battle between Italy and England and besides whoever is at the top is safer.
Maybe Juventus will rather be ok with second place and not fight much. Playing Juventus handicap 2 will be cool.
Well Chelsea lost its first game against Juve in Turin and I doubt they will accept to lose again. Bookies are backing Chelsea much @1.77 vs @4.7. Not sure if there will be some modifications for the odds few days before the game but the actual one is underestimating Juve a lot imo.
Yes, these odds look pretty unfair for Juventus. Juventus may perform poorly in Serie A, but as often happens in Euro cups, this is a completely different game with a different level of concentration, motivation and results. Maybe it takes into account the fact that Juventus has already secured a place in the playoffs and will not waste energy? But on the other hand, it is more profitable to take the first place in the group than the second.
It’s not why risk energy... It’s why risk injury that would cost them another set of bad runs in the Serie A. Juventus can take it easy vs Chelsea and give some players on the bench some time on the pitch, hopefully get a draw and do it again vs Malmo and could even win.
From a betting perspective it feels like an under 2.5 kind of scenario. Not much value at 1.86 tho. Pass...
I don't think there's anything to worry about here, except if Chelsea really want to win the group then the next two matches should to win. But if Chelsea have decided it's okay to be runner-up, then I think a draw in the next two matches will not be a problem and not only that, even though it only gets one draw and one loss the fact it will still make Chelsea in same position. So yes, this match if they have to win basically only one it is about prestige, but if they leave that factor aside because they are also still focused in their respective leagues in the EPL and Serie A, then I think this match will just go on as usual without the tension is so high.
It really does matter for teams to finish at the top because you may actually get a subpar team if you finish at second, and sometimes you may end up against a team like Chelsea as well if they finish second, so all in all first place is a very doubtful position that may or may not provide you with easier opponent.However, second place guarantees that you are going to face a first team and that is not going to be easy for sure 100%, not saying first position will face easy opponent and it is not guaranteed but second position will definitely face a difficult opponent. This is why most teams try to finish first as much as possible since it guarantees at least a chance of an easier next stage.
If there is a chance to get an easier opponent next round why not take the chance. And being first never hurt anyone, so I think any team should go for the first place, in that way they can also push their limits. And they can stay true to themselves. It's true that if you are in the second place it is more likely to get a very hard team as an opponent than it is if you be the first. And if you are the top team you can carry that mindset forward for the player's mental warfare.
Well Chelsea lost its first game against Juve in Turin and I doubt they will accept to lose again. Bookies are backing Chelsea much @1.77 vs @4.7. Not sure if there will be some modifications for the odds few days before the game but the actual one is underestimating Juve a lot imo.
Yes, these odds look pretty unfair for Juventus. Juventus may perform poorly in Serie A, but as often happens in Euro cups, this is a completely different game with a different level of concentration, motivation and results. Maybe it takes into account the fact that Juventus has already secured a place in the playoffs and will not waste energy? But on the other hand, it is more profitable to take the first place in the group than the second.
I don't think there's anything to worry about here, except if Chelsea really want to win the group then the next two matches should to win. But if Chelsea have decided it's okay to be runner-up, then I think a draw in the next two matches will not be a problem and not only that, even though it only gets one draw and one loss the fact it will still make Chelsea in same position. So yes, this match if they have to win basically only one it is about prestige, but if they leave that factor aside because they are also still focused in their respective leagues in the EPL and Serie A, then I think this match will just go on as usual without the tension is so high.
It really does matter for teams to finish at the top because you may actually get a subpar team if you finish at second, and sometimes you may end up against a team like Chelsea as well if they finish second, so all in all first place is a very doubtful position that may or may not provide you with easier opponent.However, second place guarantees that you are going to face a first team and that is not going to be easy for sure 100%, not saying first position will face easy opponent and it is not guaranteed but second position will definitely face a difficult opponent. This is why most teams try to finish first as much as possible since it guarantees at least a chance of an easier next stage.
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