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Quote from: Pulsar77 on October 08, 2021, 02:09:09 PM

I'm waiting for the Atletico Madrid - Liverpool game to watch. But I have doubts about this game also that it might be boring if Liverpool don't take the control of the game from Atletico Madrid. Because Atletico Madrid are one of the teams that play really boring in their home games. It is just about Diego Simeone. He likes to prefer a game plan like this to have things under control even if they aren't able to win. But they might have hard time holding Liverpool up like that. Klopp will choose an attacking game plan most probably and I expect them to score first too. Then, it would be a very delightful game. I think that Liverpool won't lose this game.

I think this is the case when a defense-oriented team meets an attack-oriented team and the result is a nondescript draw. Against a strong opponent (which is undoubtedly Liverpool) Atletico will play in their usual sticky style, in fact, such matches are very difficult to watch especially if it is not a playoff round. I think at best we will have a draw 1-1, but most likely it will be 0-0.

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Liverpool will be a very tough opponent for Atletico Madrid that's for sure.

Liverpool is a strong team, but the match will be at Atletico Madrid home. I am sure Atletico Madrid will control the match and show their domination during the match. They must be aware to optimize the chance to get 3 points at home. Moreover, they know defeating Liverpool is the way to secure their position to the next stage. Because of these reasons, I am sure Atletico Madrid will win in this match, 2-1 for Atletico Madrid.

It is the game at home that is a big support factor for Atletico and Diego Simeone knows how to build his team's game in order to offset the advantages of the other team. You can scold this style of play as much as you like, but the final score on the scoreboard is the main factor that can outweigh everything in football. Therefore, I believe that at least Atletico Madrid should not lose this match. In any case, there will be paired matches between Liverpool and Atletico Madrid, which can clarify the situation in their immediate struggle. Atletico Madrid has already proved with his whole game that he can endure and wait and turn the course of matches in his favor, so I don't expect a big score here.

After Atletico managed to beat Barcelona, which is one of the big teams in La Liga, this made the morale of Atletico's players to rise. So Atletico's
match against Liverpool in the Champions League will motivate Atletico's players to win. Especially now that in the Champions League group B,
Atletico are in second place, this makes Atletico want to take the top position from Liverpool. Because it would be better if Atletico beat Liverpool
to ensure their chances of qualifying for the next phase. But Liverpool are a strong team in the Premier League, especially after their main
players returned from injury, Liverpool are increasingly difficult to beat. Even Liverpool are unbeaten in 7 matches in the Premier League and
two matches in the Champions League. Atletico will not easily beat Liverpool, as a draw is the best for both teams.

The morale of Atletico's players is definitely strong after the defeat of Barcelona. But the Barcelona team and the Liverpool team are not equally strong. Barcelona is now a team almost ruined. They are still fighting to get their rhythm back. Liverpool, on the other hand, are a team that has dominated the Premier League this season. We cannot compare these two teams now. However, Atletico Madrid's morale has been strengthened. Which will help them perform better against Liverpool. However, the match will not be easy. Liverpool is also very strong.

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Quote from: Kusman on October 08, 2021, 04:44:44 PM

Liverpool will be a very tough opponent for Atletico Madrid that's for sure.

Liverpool is a strong team, but the match will be at Atletico Madrid home. I am sure Atletico Madrid will control the match and show their domination during the match. They must be aware to optimize the chance to get 3 points at home. Moreover, they know defeating Liverpool is the way to secure their position to the next stage. Because of these reasons, I am sure Atletico Madrid will win in this match, 2-1 for Atletico Madrid.

It is the game at home that is a big support factor for Atletico and Diego Simeone knows how to build his team's game in order to offset the advantages of the other team. You can scold this style of play as much as you like, but the final score on the scoreboard is the main factor that can outweigh everything in football. Therefore, I believe that at least Atletico Madrid should not lose this match. In any case, there will be paired matches between Liverpool and Atletico Madrid, which can clarify the situation in their immediate struggle. Atletico Madrid has already proved with his whole game that he can endure and wait and turn the course of matches in his favor, so I don't expect a big score here.

After Atletico managed to beat Barcelona, which is one of the big teams in La Liga, this made the morale of Atletico's players to rise. So Atletico's
match against Liverpool in the Champions League will motivate Atletico's players to win. Especially now that in the Champions League group B,
Atletico are in second place, this makes Atletico want to take the top position from Liverpool. Because it would be better if Atletico beat Liverpool
to ensure their chances of qualifying for the next phase. But Liverpool are a strong team in the Premier League, especially after their main
players returned from injury, Liverpool are increasingly difficult to beat. Even Liverpool are unbeaten in 7 matches in the Premier League and
two matches in the Champions League. Atletico will not easily beat Liverpool, as a draw is the best for both teams.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on October 08, 2021, 02:09:09 PM

I'm waiting for the Atletico Madrid - Liverpool game to watch. But I have doubts about this game also that it might be boring if Liverpool don't take the control of the game from Atletico Madrid. Because Atletico Madrid are one of the teams that play really boring in their home games. It is just about Diego Simeone. He likes to prefer a game plan like this to have things under control even if they aren't able to win. But they might have hard time holding Liverpool up like that. Klopp will choose an attacking game plan most probably and I expect them to score first too. Then, it would be a very delightful game. I think that Liverpool won't lose this game.

Currently, Liverpool is in very good form so most chances they will go with their own plan mean Atletico Madrid will be on with their own style and try to have pick one point from this bore game because they already watch Liverpool is going in very aggressive mood, and they will not give them any chance.

So, just going with their own plan will work for them if they will allow Liverpool then surely they will have result like Porto vs Liverpool because in this season they are playing again very aggressively which is very helpful for Liverpool and never suitable for Atletico Madrid. Good thing is Atletico Madrid still very hopeful for qualifying after having full 3 points from AC Milan in away game.

Simeone we know is a parallel version of Mourinho, who prefers 3draws with 3points to 1 win 3points especially when it comes to clubs of equal strength. I am assuring us that Liverpool will pressure them during first half and disorganise their plans. Though Liverpool might appear without Thiago and Alison, but tryst me, they will put much pressure since they know ATM will not be very much aggressive for goals.

It is worthy to note however that Liverpool's approach to EPL differs from their UCL. They put a better game in England than Europe.

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Quote from: Kusman on October 08, 2021, 04:44:44 PM

Liverpool will be a very tough opponent for Atletico Madrid that's for sure.

Liverpool is a strong team, but the match will be at Atletico Madrid home. I am sure Atletico Madrid will control the match and show their domination during the match. They must be aware to optimize the chance to get 3 points at home. Moreover, they know defeating Liverpool is the way to secure their position to the next stage. Because of these reasons, I am sure Atletico Madrid will win in this match, 2-1 for Atletico Madrid.

It is the game at home that is a big support factor for Atletico and Diego Simeone knows how to build his team's game in order to offset the advantages of the other team. You can scold this style of play as much as you like, but the final score on the scoreboard is the main factor that can outweigh everything in football. Therefore, I believe that at least Atletico Madrid should not lose this match. In any case, there will be paired matches between Liverpool and Atletico Madrid, which can clarify the situation in their immediate struggle. Atletico Madrid has already proved with his whole game that he can endure and wait and turn the course of matches in his favor, so I don't expect a big score here.

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Quote from: Kusman on October 08, 2021, 04:44:44 PM

Liverpool will be a very tough opponent for Atletico Madrid that's for sure.

Liverpool is a strong team, but the match will be at Atletico Madrid home. I am sure Atletico Madrid will control the match and show their domination during the match. They must be aware to optimize the chance to get 3 points at home. Moreover, they know defeating Liverpool is the way to secure their position to the next stage. Because of these reasons, I am sure Atletico Madrid will win in this match, 2-1 for Atletico Madrid.

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Liverpool will be a very tough opponent for Atletico Madrid that's for sure. I'm sure that they won't be able to suppress Liverpool like they did to Porto. Because Porto are a much weaker team and we can understand this from the result of the Porto - Liverpool match which ended by 1-5. Liverpool are very good at attacking and scoring goals also. They have a great form and Atletico Madrid can have a hard time against them very much.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on October 08, 2021, 02:09:09 PM

I'm waiting for the Atletico Madrid - Liverpool game to watch. But I have doubts about this game also that it might be boring if Liverpool don't take the control of the game from Atletico Madrid. Because Atletico Madrid are one of the teams that play really boring in their home games. It is just about Diego Simeone. He likes to prefer a game plan like this to have things under control even if they aren't able to win. But they might have hard time holding Liverpool up like that. Klopp will choose an attacking game plan most probably and I expect them to score first too. Then, it would be a very delightful game. I think that Liverpool won't lose this game.

Currently, Liverpool is in very good form so most chances they will go with their own plan mean Atletico Madrid will be on with their own style and try to have pick one point from this bore game because they already watch Liverpool is going in very aggressive mood, and they will not give them any chance.

So, just going with their own plan will work for them if they will allow Liverpool then surely they will have result like Porto vs Liverpool because in this season they are playing again very aggressively which is very helpful for Liverpool and never suitable for Atletico Madrid. Good thing is Atletico Madrid still very hopeful for qualifying after having full 3 points from AC Milan in away game.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on October 08, 2021, 02:09:09 PM

I'm waiting for the Atletico Madrid - Liverpool game to watch. But I have doubts about this game also that it might be boring if Liverpool don't take the control of the game from Atletico Madrid. Because Atletico Madrid are one of the teams that play really boring in their home games. It is just about Diego Simeone. He likes to prefer a game plan like this to have things under control even if they aren't able to win. But they might have hard time holding Liverpool up like that. Klopp will choose an attacking game plan most probably and I expect them to score first too. Then, it would be a very delightful game. I think that Liverpool won't lose this game.

You could say this is a strategy that has always been applied by Diego Simone, especially against teams that are on the same level as them.
it's boring when you see a game like this but on the other hand things like this are done to suppress and to make the team not be disadvantaged.
because apart from a beautiful game now football is a business and when one team loses then you know for yourself what the consequences will be.
then this is very suitable no matter how boring it is as important as they are not harmed, the system is probably like this now.

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I'm waiting for the Atletico Madrid - Liverpool game to watch. But I have doubts about this game also that it might be boring if Liverpool don't take the control of the game from Atletico Madrid. Because Atletico Madrid are one of the teams that play really boring in their home games. It is just about Diego Simeone. He likes to prefer a game plan like this to have things under control even if they aren't able to win. But they might have hard time holding Liverpool up like that. Klopp will choose an attacking game plan most probably and I expect them to score first too. Then, it would be a very delightful game. I think that Liverpool won't lose this game.

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I mentally see how people try to try their luck by betting on the victory of the Tiraspol Sheriff in the match against the Inter, and I see how bookmakers will make money on this, lol. I hope the same for Shakhtar, although he already won the Europa League in 2009, so Shakhtar needs to win the Champions League at least once in order to knock the arrogance off the titled clubs.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that people who will bet on Sheriff Tiraspol's victory will be sad after the result of the match. Because I think that Inter will most probably defeat them and get their first win also in their group matches. Because they lost to Real Madrid and drew with Shakhtar also. They will focus on winning against Sheriff Tiraspol two times in a row to pull themselves together and rise to the upper places.

Sheriff Tiraspol's hype is going to end in next few matches as now they have to face inter in away and home matches they are also looking for their first win of this season in Champions League. Bookmakers already have some good benefit from these upsets now time for better game and doing usual business.

Most chances they will be in Europa League as Shakhtar is currently at bottom of table, and they have very few chances to won 2 games its mean they could be eliminated from this group which is not good for them.

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Quote from: AakZaki on October 08, 2021, 01:30:26 PM

To be honest, H2H doesn't have much effect on betting, maybe if the percentage is only 5% of the effect. Analysis of the quality of players, coaches, the history of previous matches, The state of the players has a greater influence. Maybe it's not all true but at least I think that's the most important thing before doing the game. Because everything in football can happen, sometimes statistics are just useless historical writings.

There are too many facts that we meet that sometime the favorite team is not able to win easy matches because the opponent plays well enough. H2H is not that important in my opinion because it doesn't have much positive impact on betting success. On many occasions I have assessed the quality of the team and its players before making a bet and usually H2H also gets my attention in comparison. Gamblers definitely have their own way that may differ from other gamblers, so it doesn't matter as long as it's in their favor.

The third group stage match will start on 19 October or after this international break is over. We will have some big games later, Atletico Madrid vs Liverpool one of the most anticipated match.

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Quote from: DU18 on October 08, 2021, 04:04:08 AM

Quote from: babo on October 08, 2021, 03:16:08 AM

it's not a data-driven game, it's true
but the data, historical data, series of the last games .. give you an indication on the most probable result
which is not carved in stone, can be (and this happens) overturned
this is why it is so exciting as a sport, because there are cases in which a small and not really strong team wins (put your luck in it too)

I agree with you, because statistics do not always apply to football matches, so far statistics are often used as a reference in assessing how likely it is to win or lose a team in a match, but in the end, winning or losing a team all depends on how good the team is. playing on the match field, it is not wrong to use statistics as a reference in supporting a team, but we also have to look at various factors that might support our choice, because usually every team will continue to change for the better or worse from season to season.

with statistics and h2h it would be great to add confidence about the support of a club, but on the other hand what you say is the right thing. things like this should not always be used as a reference because this is not a data game, but how can they be consistent and can play as a team in the available 90 minutes.
Of course, the existence of h2h and the history of the team playing is very good, but only as a pioneer to increase enthusiasm, I think because it will not have much effect on the game.

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Quote from: DU18 on October 08, 2021, 04:04:08 AM

I agree with you, because statistics do not always apply to football matches, so far statistics are often used as a reference in assessing how likely it is to win or lose a team in a match, but in the end, winning or losing a team all depends on how good the team is. playing on the match field, it is not wrong to use statistics as a reference in supporting a team, but we also have to look at various factors that might support our choice, because usually every team will continue to change for the better or worse from season to season.

To be honest, H2H doesn't have much effect on betting, maybe if the percentage is only 5% of the effect. Analysis of the quality of players, coaches, the history of previous matches, The state of the players has a greater influence. Maybe it's not all true but at least I think that's the most important thing before doing the game. Because everything in football can happen, sometimes statistics are just useless historical writings.

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Quote from: DU18 on October 08, 2021, 04:04:08 AM

I agree with you, because statistics do not always apply to football matches, so far statistics are often used as a reference in assessing how likely it is to win or lose a team in a match, but in the end, winning or losing a team all depends on how good the team is. playing on the match field, it is not wrong to use statistics as a reference in supporting a team, but we also have to look at various factors that might support our choice, because usually every team will continue to change for the better or worse from season to season.

Not 100% useful? Maybe right. But the statistics and H2H of both teams will be able to help you make a choice when you want to bet on one of the teams. Usually people will choose which team wins the most and will adjust to the current condition of the team. H2H won't determine the outcome, but it can help you judge who you deserve to win in a match.

H2H statistics does not give help you a lot, why? All teams are changing from time to time so it is not a good source to determine which team will have better chance to win the match.
Moreover, we are talking about UCL where we usually see so many surprises every year.
I myself do not use H2H statistic to determine which team is having bigger chance to win, I prefer to investigate their last several matches.

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Quote from: DU18 on October 08, 2021, 04:04:08 AM

Quote from: babo on October 08, 2021, 03:16:08 AM

it's not a data-driven game, it's true
but the data, historical data, series of the last games .. give you an indication on the most probable result
which is not carved in stone, can be (and this happens) overturned
this is why it is so exciting as a sport, because there are cases in which a small and not really strong team wins (put your luck in it too)

I agree with you, because statistics do not always apply to football matches, so far statistics are often used as a reference in assessing how likely it is to win or lose a team in a match, but in the end, winning or losing a team all depends on how good the team is. playing on the match field, it is not wrong to use statistics as a reference in supporting a team, but we also have to look at various factors that might support our choice, because usually every team will continue to change for the better or worse from season to season.

that's why football matches are fun
I look at them for that reason

even though it's my favorite team and the games are boring, I don't watch it! I pay the ticket for my entertainment (this is my philosophy)!! Cheesy

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Quote from: DU18 on October 08, 2021, 04:04:08 AM

I agree with you, because statistics do not always apply to football matches, so far statistics are often used as a reference in assessing how likely it is to win or lose a team in a match, but in the end, winning or losing a team all depends on how good the team is. playing on the match field, it is not wrong to use statistics as a reference in supporting a team, but we also have to look at various factors that might support our choice, because usually every team will continue to change for the better or worse from season to season.

Not 100% useful? Maybe right. But the statistics and H2H of both teams will be able to help you make a choice when you want to bet on one of the teams. Usually people will choose which team wins the most and will adjust to the current condition of the team. H2H won't determine the outcome, but it can help you judge who you deserve to win in a match.

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While I have no idea if and how the financial fair play stuff in Spain actually works, keep in Mind that Messi had to go for financial reasons. Yes I know he earned a shit ton of money, but is Barcelona really able to get so many new players or good players given how much debt they have? If they fail to qualify for the Champions League, holy cow that could end badly for them.

Laporta said that Barca's total debt now stands at over $1.6 billion, and 103% of the club's total income goes to wages alone. According to La Liga's new rules, clubs may spend max 70% of their income on wages, which means Barca will have to cut salaries almost everywhere. I don't see how they can afford to add new players in such a financial situation.
However, there may finally be some good news at the end; according to a report in the Mirror, Barca has recently been approached by a "Dubai-based company" with an offer of $1.6 billion to refinance their debts. But the club has not yet confirmed whether it will accept it.

Wow, those numbers are absolutely insane. When you pay salaries like they did for Messi, there is only one way to make it work: win every competition possible. Literally every single competition or you can't finance the squad's salary anymore. Crazy how it has come with Barcelona now, considering what kind of a extraordinary world class team they have been between 2007/08 and 2015/16/17.

If they are not able to get financial help from the said company, they are gonna in huge trouble as decreasing the wage percentage from 103% to 70% is a huge if not impossible task. I think that if they want to cut the wage of every player, most players would disagree with the contract which would lead to huge chaos. We already saw that only Pique stepped up to take a wage cut when Barca was in deeper trouble, although have sold Griezmann and that should help a bit, but still 103% wage is too much. Let's just hope they get financial help from the Dubai-based company.

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Quote from: mv1986 on October 08, 2021, 04:06:49 AM

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Laporta said that Barca's total debt now stands at over $1.6 billion, and 103% of the club's total income goes to wages alone. According to La Liga's new rules, clubs may spend max 70% of their income on wages, which means Barca will have to cut salaries almost everywhere. I don't see how they can afford to add new players in such a financial situation.

However, there may finally be some good news at the end; according to a report in the Mirror, Barca has recently been approached by a "Dubai-based company" with an offer of $1.6 billion to refinance their debts. But the club has not yet confirmed whether it will accept it.

Wow, those numbers are absolutely insane. When you pay salaries like they did for Messi, there is only one way to make it work: win every competition possible. Literally every single competition or you can't finance the squad's salary anymore. Crazy how it has come with Barcelona now, considering what kind of a extraordinary world class team they have been between 2007/08 and 2015/16/17.

It would be interesting to see how this debt emerged over time. I know that the entire sports industry has suffered from the pandemic, but I am sure that such a gigantic amount of debt has been accumulating for more than one year or two. I do not understand well what the club's management was guided by when it drove it into such debts and I do not understand how Barcelona can pay off its creditors. In 2000, Real Madrid had a similar situation and they were forced to sell their training base in the very center of Madrid in order to pay off the debt.

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im pretty enjoyed on how barcelona makes the champions league group getting tight tho Grin

i wont bet for barcelona to win this champions league trophy as the bad form could still continue later on.
but in short period it seems promising barcelona to recover and get a sure winning in the next match group stage.

Two very bad loses in early matches of Champions League bring too much down and now peoples talking about early exit, but this break is surely going to be good for them as they need some time which is already available, so they can still fight back from this all. Now after first Valencia and then Kyiv can turn all things in their favor because still 4 matches in Champions League available for them even it's mission impossible for them came up from this down, but any result can happen in any match.

^ The next two matches for Barcelona against Valencia and Kyiv are crucial. I heard the news that Aguero and Ansu Fati might return in the next match which is good news for them. But Barcelona needs to win the match with Kyiv at any cost, otherwise, 3 straight losses in the CL would be pretty hectic. Also, they are yet to score in the CL and 2 matches have been already played by them and they have conceded 6 goals in those 2 matches. If Barcelona wants to qualify, which I think will be very unlikely to happen, they have to win the next match against Kyiv.

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