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Quote from: tyz on September 17, 2021, 08:43:10 AM

The big question is whether so many superstars can play together without problems. In the last CL game, Neymar, Messi and Mbappe were on the pitch from the start for the first time and we all know how the game turned out. PSG was not really outstanding. Bruges had a good chance to even win the game. On paper, PSG should have dominated the game and won clearly. The next CL game is against ManCity. That will show how strong PSG really is.

I think if PSG again have Neymar, Messi, Mbappe against Manchester City, then they will not have a chance, since they will not have a clear leader to oppose Guardiola's excellent built defense. Interestingly, in the first round of the Champions League, Cristiano Ronaldo, like Messi, calmed down his ambitions, while Manchester City won the 50th Champions League victory in just 91 matches. ^{[Three matches slower than Real Madrid did]} Grin

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Quote from: tyz on September 17, 2021, 08:43:10 AM

The big question is whether so many superstars can play together without problems. In the last CL game, Neymar, Messi and Mbappe were on the pitch from the start for the first time and we all know how the game turned out. PSG was not really outstanding. Bruges had a good chance to even win the game. On paper, PSG should have dominated the game and won clearly. The next CL game is against ManCity. That will show how strong PSG really is.

Yea so many superstars can do it together, Messi did it with Henry and Samuel eto behide them was Iniesta and Xavi with Toure in the center.then there was Suarez and Neymar, Messi.all this regimes in Barcelona won the champions League and other titles together. even at Madrid CR7, Benzema,and Bale with great midfenders behind them,so is very easy for great players to play together. I believe the team we gear with time,Messi makes football easy with what will have see during his time at Barcelona he is still that player.am positive about that team ( PSG)

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Quote from: tyz on September 17, 2021, 08:43:10 AM

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 16, 2021, 11:15:49 PM

after two match Lionel Messi still not make anything for PSG exactly on champion league when played draw with Club Brugge, without any one shot and not any assist made by Lionel Messi make many fans not happy with Leo performance for PSG, can he give more expectation on PSG or not.

I understand that fans prolly want an immediate impact from Lionel Messi, but imo, they must have to be patient with the Argentine, we are all aware of the quality he possesses, but we must also not forget that he spent almost all of his career in Barcelona, and PSG is more or less a new territory to him and he must have to adapt to how they play, I'm pretty sure Messi will have a successful spell for PSG, at least from am individual perspective.

The big question is whether so many superstars can play together without problems. In the last CL game, Neymar, Messi and Mbappe were on the pitch from the start for the first time and we all know how the game turned out. PSG was not really outstanding. Bruges had a good chance to even win the game. On paper, PSG should have dominated the game and won clearly. The next CL game is against ManCity. That will show how strong PSG really is.

If relying on individual skills then it doesn't have to take time to adapt, it's about teamwork and chemistry. If only with individual skills they can move on their own then the result will be quick to get a positive result in yesterday's match, but the fact is not so they have to keep building chemistry so that the support for their every move continues well in the match.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 16, 2021, 11:19:34 AM

AC Milan got lucky with draw score between Atletico Madrid versus FC Porto and they have not far points right now, but always faced difficulty after Milan loss chance to get points on Anfield, how ever Milan have very hard group stage where bigger team like Liverpool, Atletico Madrid and FC Porto where last season success pass to knock out stage. Next match Milan faced with Atletico Madrid on San Siro and both team need three points to make easy pass on group stage. Depend with AC Milan can win for the next match and hope Liverpool versus FC Porto just get draw only to make point fourth team not far each other.

I think it's still tough for AC Milan to win the game against Atletico despite playing at the San Siro. If AC Milan manages to win with a score 1 - 0, I think this is good result for Milan against ATM. As for Liverpool vs Porto, I think Liverpool will get another win. However, if Milan vs Atletico draw, Liverpool vs Porto also ends in a draw, then this group will be an interesting group. Because all teams will play all out in match 3 to keep the chance of qualifying for the next round.

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Quote from: mv1986 on September 17, 2021, 08:07:44 AM

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Quote from: Iranus on September 16, 2021, 12:32:11 AM

Although Messi-Neymar-Mbappe seemed to be very strong players, they were not very effective. Together they could not adapt themselves.

Those three strikers are strong players, but strikers must have big supports from the midfielders to have a chance of shooting on target. Not only those 3 strikers can't adapt well, the midfielders also didn't play as well as we expect in that match. I don't know why it seems too difficult for them to adapt although they are basically smart players. I suspect it isn't only about adaptation to whole players, but adaptation to the strategy and instruction made by the coach.

While that is generally true, you would definitely expect the three to also create their chances on their own (as a trio I mean). Then again surprises are always possible, same with Young Boys and Manchester United. Sometimes it is even a bit harder during the group stage against smaller clubs because for them every game is like a final.
I would definitely say that PSG is going to play an important role during this tournament.

look at the most important thing
I always say that, I almost make you nauseous, it's fun
so if they ensure fun for us fans, everything is welcome

honestly that's what matters and they get paid to entertain us, i think so

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 16, 2021, 11:15:49 PM

after two match Lionel Messi still not make anything for PSG exactly on champion league when played draw with Club Brugge, without any one shot and not any assist made by Lionel Messi make many fans not happy with Leo performance for PSG, can he give more expectation on PSG or not.

I understand that fans prolly want an immediate impact from Lionel Messi, but imo, they must have to be patient with the Argentine, we are all aware of the quality he possesses, but we must also not forget that he spent almost all of his career in Barcelona, and PSG is more or less a new territory to him and he must have to adapt to how they play, I'm pretty sure Messi will have a successful spell for PSG, at least from am individual perspective.

The big question is whether so many superstars can play together without problems. In the last CL game, Neymar, Messi and Mbappe were on the pitch from the start for the first time and we all know how the game turned out. PSG was not really outstanding. Bruges had a good chance to even win the game. On paper, PSG should have dominated the game and won clearly. The next CL game is against ManCity. That will show how strong PSG really is.

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Quote from: beerlover on September 16, 2021, 12:11:42 PM

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After this game, I think Pochettino will try to figure out the best combination of players. I don't know if we should see Mbappe, Neymar and Messi at the same time from the beginning. It might look better to not start with them and play with Icardi or Di Maria then switch tactics and players to confuse the opponent.
BTW AFAIK PSG is the most favourite team to get CL title this season according to bookies. I doubt Real Madrid could get it, Chelsea, City and ManU are way better, even PSG is better regardless of this bad result.

I do not think that it was the combination of players that was the problem, it was just the team getting used to it. Have we ever seen Mbappe-Neymar-Messi before this game? I do not think that we have seen them before and this was the first time. So, let's not rush into changing the roster constantly in order to get the team playing better, we could just let the roster be exactly like it is and we would have a better team gradually when they get used to playing with each other.

Neymar and Messi played before so they shouldn't be too difficult but Mbappe is not used to Messi and that will take some time but it will eventually happen. I am just still so shocked that they are using Navas at goalkeeping position, just doesn't make sense at all.

I think their champions league opener didn't go to plan. With their striking trident starting together for the first time, expectations were high. I see people criticizing already, and blaming the front three for the disappointing draw against Club Brugge. I don't know if they understand the basics of football. These players need time to gel, time to understand themselves on the pitch an to play together to succeed. Mauricio Pochettino need to play this trio together more so that can have chemistry and fluidity to stay consistent. I would prefer a Neymar, Di maria and Messi front three. For Gianluigi Donnarumma to replace Keylor Navas at the moment, I don't agree with you on this one. Keylor Navas has more experience in the champions league than almost all the Goalkeepers still playing. He is just underrated because of his age and maybe he is never in the limelight. Gianluigi Donnarumma needs to exercise a little patience and wait for his turn.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on September 16, 2021, 05:39:09 PM

Quote from: Iranus on September 16, 2021, 12:32:11 AM

Although Messi-Neymar-Mbappe seemed to be very strong players, they were not very effective. Together they could not adapt themselves.

Those three strikers are strong players, but strikers must have big supports from the midfielders to have a chance of shooting on target. Not only those 3 strikers can't adapt well, the midfielders also didn't play as well as we expect in that match. I don't know why it seems too difficult for them to adapt although they are basically smart players. I suspect it isn't only about adaptation to whole players, but adaptation to the strategy and instruction made by the coach.

While that is generally true, you would definitely expect the three to also create their chances on their own (as a trio I mean). Then again surprises are always possible, same with Young Boys and Manchester United. Sometimes it is even a bit harder during the group stage against smaller clubs because for them every game is like a final.
I would definitely say that PSG is going to play an important role during this tournament.

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No team is weak as long as they reached UCL. They all mocked Sheriff Tiraspol and boom they won another game against Shaktar who is a great team of Europe. Also , whoever thought that Milan will go in Liverpool just to get goals they were so wrong as Milan almost snatched a draw against a team who has the same players for 3 years now making very hard for any team to play against them.

Besides this, lets not forget that the most ugly game of the season will probably remain ATL.Madrid - Porto and it's time for us to admit that a team like Atl.Madrid is just bad for football...

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Quote from: KTChampions on September 17, 2021, 06:25:45 AM

Quote from: babo on September 17, 2021, 05:05:49 AM

absolutely no
I do not underestimate anyone, also because in football even a very small team with poor players can win if they play as a team

in fact, football is a team game

in individual games it depends only on you and not on the team

Yes, it is possible, and it is especially likely in elimination matches. In a long championship, when each team plays each team at home and away and the champion is determined by the number of points scored, the little poor teams, no matter how well they play, have no chance. In shorter tournaments and where there are elimination matches, small teams have a chance at the expense of greater randomness over short distances.

depends
what do you mean by a long championship or a short championship?
Is the premier league a short league?

I have seen poor teams win Europeans, as a premier league, of course it happens rarely .. but it happens

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Quote from: babo on September 17, 2021, 05:05:49 AM

absolutely no
I do not underestimate anyone, also because in football even a very small team with poor players can win if they play as a team

in fact, football is a team game

in individual games it depends only on you and not on the team

Yes, it is possible, and it is especially likely in elimination matches. In a long championship, when each team plays each team at home and away and the champion is determined by the number of points scored, the little poor teams, no matter how well they play, have no chance. In shorter tournaments and where there are elimination matches, small teams have a chance at the expense of greater randomness over short distances.

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Quote from: kassex on September 11, 2021, 02:37:19 AM

Villarreal played in the final against Manchester United. Of course, Atalanta is quite an interesting team that plays in an attacking style. But do not underestimate Villarreal. I hope that it will be a rather interesting game and we will enjoy watching this match.

absolutely no
I do not underestimate anyone, also because in football even a very small team with poor players can win if they play as a team

in fact, football is a team game

in individual games it depends only on you and not on the team

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Quote from: xzone on September 16, 2021, 10:49:55 AM

Beşiktaş played better than I thought. If they had been able to score a goal in the first minutes of the match, the outcome could have been much different. I think they will perform much better in their next matches.
It is not possible to say good things about PSG. I was sad that the match ended with such a score, they should have scored a lot more goals

Despite the fact that Besiktas lost the match, their performance was okay imo. However, I don't think winning their next match will be an easy task for them. They will be playing against Ajax. The match will probably be a tough one for them. Although, am not underrating Basiktas, they might put in enough effort against Ajax and win the match.
I never expected PSG to draw the match, they were supposed to win, after the first half ended in draw. I literally thought PSG will score in the second half. Anyway, the second half also ended in draw.

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Quote from: cryptofrka on September 16, 2021, 06:00:08 AM

Liverpool - Milan was a really great game, full of good goals and excitement. Liverpool was way better and fully deserved their win but Milan took advantage of the brief moments they had and scored 2 really nice goals.

I didn't get to watch either one but the highlights do look amazing, and if you read the coach of AC Milan's comments, even he had to admit, in a way, that Liverpool were just above another level.

City winning 6-3 should have been awesome too but that's because Leipzig were also just doing nothing but attack.

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 16, 2021, 11:15:49 PM

after two match Lionel Messi still not make anything for PSG exactly on champion league when played draw with Club Brugge, without any one shot and not any assist made by Lionel Messi make many fans not happy with Leo performance for PSG, can he give more expectation on PSG or not.

I understand that fans prolly want an immediate impact from Lionel Messi, but imo, they must have to be patient with the Argentine, we are all aware of the quality he possesses, but we must also not forget that he spent almost all of his career in Barcelona, and PSG is more or less a new territory to him and he must have to adapt to how they play, I'm pretty sure Messi will have a successful spell for PSG, at least from am individual perspective.

Having said that, I don't know if PSG would be able to win the CL, their stars will definitely give their all, and would prolly win them matches with their individual brilliance, but the team must blend together if they are to be CL winners, another thing is if Poch can handle all these players, he'll have to change most of his strategy to accommodate all of them, that can affect the team generally, PSG have to start firing on all cylinders, or else fans would continually grow impatient with the players, manager and the board.

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Quote from: Woodie on September 16, 2021, 05:16:12 PM

Just how unlucky can you be...Damn that 87th minute goal by Osimhen of Napoli was really a heart break goal for Leicester who wanted to get the maximum points especially after being rated as the favourites of the match and to top it off they get a red card at the end of it....could things get any worse for them???
Final score Leicester 2-2 Napoli.

Another surprising result for me was the match between Galatasaray and Lazio...I really didn't think Lazio would lose tonight but they didn't it any way. And that's how many week-long accumulator went burst thanks to these guys Sad

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Link : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5161551.0

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Quote from: Lordhermes on September 16, 2021, 11:43:55 PM

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How can a team like PSG be held to a draw by a team like Club Brugge?
No matter it's an away game for PSG, a rich team with a great squad on every front still can't win, that's an unacceptable joke. I don't understand what their fault is for not being able to win this match, whether it's because they are concerned with individual skills that make teamwork not formed properly or because of the wrong strategy applied. Very embarrassing I guess!

The power of PSG and Club Brugge is like heaven and earth. PSG should be able to bring home full points when they travel to Jan Breydel Stadium. Pochettino used a very good formation in this match, 4-3-3 is ideal for PSG, moreover their front line is filled by the world's best players, Neymar, Mbappe and Messi are a very scary trio for every opponent they face. But the reality is very far from what was expected, they only get 4 Shots On Target for 90 minutes of the match, while Club Brugge managed to create 6 Shots On Target. Although PSG was able to control ball possession up to 61%, but PSG front line was unable to create an additional goal until the long whistle sounded because Club Brugge defense was very strong.

Although Mess-Neymar-Mbappe seemed to be very strong players, they were not very effective. Together they could not adapt themselves. In yesterday's match, I expected a better performance from Neymar. But he was almost inactive. However, this is the first match of these three players together. They need time to stabilize. Maybe they will play better in the next match.

Flootball is not really easy the way we think,it doesn't really work the way we think too,gathering all the best players in the world together to play in a team,and expects good result when the coach managing them does not have good formation and method to manage them well,they will still end up loosing.

Football is all about team work.A team that is inform and plays collectively can beat them well,even if you add another big name to the players that are there right now.

That's what I'm asking, there are too many star players so the risk is that they will only rely on the skills of each player and not team work. We realize that football is all about teamwork, but when they don't have chemistry and bad teamwork, no matter how good the players they have, it will still be difficult for the team to achieve maximum results.

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Quote from: Iranus on September 16, 2021, 12:32:11 AM

Quote from: mamesso on September 15, 2021, 11:52:11 PM

Quote from: hahay on September 15, 2021, 10:25:21 PM

How can a team like PSG be held to a draw by a team like Club Brugge?
No matter it's an away game for PSG, a rich team with a great squad on every front still can't win, that's an unacceptable joke. I don't understand what their fault is for not being able to win this match, whether it's because they are concerned with individual skills that make teamwork not formed properly or because of the wrong strategy applied. Very embarrassing I guess!

The power of PSG and Club Brugge is like heaven and earth. PSG should be able to bring home full points when they travel to Jan Breydel Stadium. Pochettino used a very good formation in this match, 4-3-3 is ideal for PSG, moreover their front line is filled by the world's best players, Neymar, Mbappe and Messi are a very scary trio for every opponent they face. But the reality is very far from what was expected, they only get 4 Shots On Target for 90 minutes of the match, while Club Brugge managed to create 6 Shots On Target. Although PSG was able to control ball possession up to 61%, but PSG front line was unable to create an additional goal until the long whistle sounded because Club Brugge defense was very strong.

Although Mess-Neymar-Mbappe seemed to be very strong players, they were not very effective. Together they could not adapt themselves. In yesterday's match, I expected a better performance from Neymar. But he was almost inactive. However, this is the first match of these three players together. They need time to stabilize. Maybe they will play better in the next match.

Flootball is not really easy the way we think,it doesn't really work the way we think too,gathering all the best players in the world together to play in a team,and expects good result when the coach managing them does not have good formation and method to manage them well,they will still end up loosing.

Football is all about team work.A team that is inform and plays collectively can beat them well,even if you add another big name to the players that are there right now.

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Quote from: AndySt on September 16, 2021, 07:32:52 PM

Quote from: kawetsriyanto on September 16, 2021, 05:39:09 PM

Quote from: Iranus on September 16, 2021, 12:32:11 AM

Although Messi-Neymar-Mbappe seemed to be very strong players, they were not very effective. Together they could not adapt themselves.

Those three strikers are strong players, but strikers must have big supports from the midfielders to have a chance of shooting on target. Not only those 3 strikers can't adapt well, the midfielders also didn't play as well as we expect in that match. I don't know why it seems too difficult for them to adapt although they are basically smart players. I suspect it isn't only about adaptation to whole players, but adaptation to the strategy and instruction made by the coach.

In any case, it will take some time for the players to adapt to each other and begin to give the maximum result of their interaction. Also, in addition to the teamwork of this trio, it is necessary that the team also knows how to effectively interact with them. Of course, it's too early to say, but the current situation is a serious challenge for Mauricio Pochettino, who has never faced such a situation before and who will be the first to suffer if the results of Paris Saint-Germain are not very successful in the Champions League and you know the name of a French specialist who is now out of work, but who knows perfectly well how to force superstars to bring results to the team Wink

I think need several match later to see how potential Lionel Messi for PSG, what can he do and gives for PSG, will make many goal on Ligue 1 or UEFA champion league the same he did when playing for Barcelona. Nice to know exactly on weekend for PSG playing domestic leagu, after two match Lionel Messi still not make anything for PSG exactly on champion league when played draw with Club Brugge, without any one shot and not any assist made by Lionel Messi make many fans not happy with Leo performance for PSG, can he give more expectation on PSG or not.

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on September 16, 2021, 05:39:09 PM

Quote from: Iranus on September 16, 2021, 12:32:11 AM

Although Messi-Neymar-Mbappe seemed to be very strong players, they were not very effective. Together they could not adapt themselves.

Those three strikers are strong players, but strikers must have big supports from the midfielders to have a chance of shooting on target. Not only those 3 strikers can't adapt well, the midfielders also didn't play as well as we expect in that match. I don't know why it seems too difficult for them to adapt although they are basically smart players. I suspect it isn't only about adaptation to whole players, but adaptation to the strategy and instruction made by the coach.

In any case, it will take some time for the players to adapt to each other and begin to give the maximum result of their interaction. Also, in addition to the teamwork of this trio, it is necessary that the team also knows how to effectively interact with them. Of course, it's too early to say, but the current situation is a serious challenge for Mauricio Pochettino, who has never faced such a situation before and who will be the first to suffer if the results of Paris Saint-Germain are not very successful in the Champions League and you know the name of a French specialist who is now out of work, but who knows perfectly well how to force superstars to bring results to the team Wink

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