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Quote from: Turbolinea on September 05, 2021, 01:49:53 PM

The group matches are going to start with a really great one which is between Barcelona and Bayern Munich. Barcelona lost Lionel Messi and Antoine Griezmann both in the last transfer window. This is a huge loss of strength for them. And Bayern Munich are doing awesome like we always know. Lewandowski is in a great form that he scored 7 goals in 4 matches already. I expect Bayern Munich to demolish Barcelona in this match. I think that there is no way out for Barcelona here.

Barcelona is no match for Bayern at this point if we're talking about the squad quality. It looks like an easy win for Bayern because it actually is. Barcelona has become a shadow of its former self. Even with the combination of Luiz Suarez, Messi and Greizman, they were still a subpar team compared to Bayern and now that all 3 prolific players are at a different team, the story hasn't changed. The only way I see this going badly for Bayern is if they lose their guard and allow Barcelona to outperform them enough to get a point or more from that fixture.

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PSG can only lose the next cup.
Surely they start as favorites and I believe that the minimum objective is the final which, being the only one-off match, anything can happen.

If the arrival in the final it will be sensationally missed, which given the team available seems to be the minimum questionable, it will be an unparalleled media blow.

I think they have come to spend almost twice as much as the second team as regards the weight of the salaries and all this obviously ignoring the financial fair play since their ratio between turnover and salaries is close to 100% while to be sustainable it should be around 70% maximum.

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Quote from: Harkorede on September 05, 2021, 01:52:47 PM

Messi would literally have no issue playing in Paris, Messi has adjusted his playing style over the years, during is early and mid stage in Barcelona, Messi was much more of a solo player, he always relish taking defences in the individually, but later on was more of an assist make playing somewhat deeper behind the forward line.

It think it will much more be about the how the coach decide to use and integrate him into the team or style, neither should be problem.

Messi will definitely adapt his style of play at PSG and of course this will be a little different from Barcelona's style of play, enough we know taka tiki is a characteristic where Barcelona's style of play and Messi is in that position is very compressive.

I'm sure Mauricio Pochettino knows what Messi's style of play is at PSG, of course this won't be a problem instead it will adjust where Messi should be placed on his front line.

The style of play in UCL will be very fast, surely Messi individually can master it and this is no longer in doubt.

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Quote from: joker_josue on September 04, 2021, 02:45:04 AM

Quote from: Silberman on September 03, 2021, 04:18:25 PM

I do not think anyone can doubt the quality and the abilities of Messi, however he is facing a situation that he has not faced during his whole career, when he was at Barcelona it was the duty of his peers to adapt to his style of play as all the team was created with Messi in mind and how to bring out his maximum potential, however this time is different, he is the one that needs to adapt and not only bring his maximum potential but to do under adverse circumstances, something that is not easy at all but if there is someone that can do it is Messi.

I don't doubt Messi's abilities, he's a great player.

The point is that, it has been questioned whether Messi would really be so good if he played outside Barcelona, outside that style and that team designed for him. He's now going to answer that question, and we'll have the opportunity to see that.

Messi would literally have no issue playing in Paris, Messi has adjusted his playing style over the years, during is early and mid stage in Barcelona, Messi was much more of a solo player, he always relish taking defences in the individually, but later on was more of an assist make playing somewhat deeper behind the forward line.

It think it will much more be about the how the coach decide to use and integrate him into the team or style, neither should be problem.

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The group matches are going to start with a really great one which is between Barcelona and Bayern Munich. Barcelona lost Lionel Messi and Antoine Griezmann both in the last transfer window. This is a huge loss of strength for them. And Bayern Munich are doing awesome like we always know. Lewandowski is in a great form that he scored 7 goals in 4 matches already. I expect Bayern Munich to demolish Barcelona in this match. I think that there is no way out for Barcelona here.

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Quote from: joker_josue on September 04, 2021, 02:45:04 AM

Quote from: Silberman on September 03, 2021, 04:18:25 PM

I do not think anyone can doubt the quality and the abilities of Messi, however he is facing a situation that he has not faced during his whole career, when he was at Barcelona it was the duty of his peers to adapt to his style of play as all the team was created with Messi in mind and how to bring out his maximum potential, however this time is different, he is the one that needs to adapt and not only bring his maximum potential but to do under adverse circumstances, something that is not easy at all but if there is someone that can do it is Messi.

I don't doubt Messi's abilities, he's a great player.

The point is that, it has been questioned whether Messi would really be so good if he played outside Barcelona, outside that style and that team designed for him. He's now going to answer that question, and we'll have the opportunity to see that.

from what I observed from the first game that messi made on PSG it seemed to me that he was studying the environment and the style of playing PSG, he was able to gradually do what he was doing in barcelona although the opponent didn't give Messi room to shine, he won't take Many games for Messi to become the center of attention on the field because currently he is the center of attention of people off the field (I'm talking about the media and fans), but he still hasn't become the center of attention on the field, to be that player when he caught the ball and coordinated everything and everyone, he was in every corner of the field and was the savior of the team in difficult times, he has not yet become that player at PSG and in the coming weeks he will become and will overshadow Mbappe and neymar

Quote from: blue Snow on September 05, 2021, 03:59:50 AM

Forward: Cristiano Ronaldo, Anthony Martial, Marcus Rashford, Edinson Cavani.

in my opinion, the coach should always choose to start with these three players:

Cristiano Ronaldo, Edinson Cavani and Marcus Rashford

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Quote from: blue Snow on September 05, 2021, 03:59:50 AM

Goal Keepers: David de Gea, Tom Heaton, Dean Henderson.
Defenders: Lindeloef, Harry Maguire, Eric Bailly, Varane, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Diogo Dalot, Luke Shaw, 2Alex Telles.
Midfielder: Nemanja Matic, Scott McTominay, Fred, Donny van de Beek, Paul Pogba, Bruno Fernandes, Jesse Lingard, Juan Mata, Jadon Sancho, Amad Diallo.
Forward: Cristiano Ronaldo, Anthony Martial, Marcus Rashford, Edinson Cavani.

MU Squad

A full-fledged strong squad. Goalkeeper David de Gea is a very experienced goalkeeper. There is nothing new to say about Varane in defense. There are very few skilled defenders like him. Midfield includes van de Beek, Pogba and Bruno. They are enough to knock down the opponent's defense. Although they are midfielders, they have the ability to score. Forwards include goal machine Cristiano Ronaldo, Rashford and Cavani. If the three of them can maintain a full season performance together, then Manchester United's title win will be much more certain. However, it is difficult to predict how effective this trio will be on the field. Will Rashford be able to adapt properly to Ronaldo?

I ain't seeing Mason Greenwood down there, what's up with him ?
The middle of the pack still a bit week to me, Fred needs to do more then he is currently doing.
I think Manchester United needs a player tall, good passer of the ball and very good at winning tackles, capable of winning ariel duels.
The backline and it's depth is more than enough.
Upfront, you can't right va team if with ronaldo,we have got Pogba and Bruno Fernandez...we'll sure go a long way this season.

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Quote from: blue Snow on September 05, 2021, 03:59:50 AM

Goal Keepers: David de Gea, Tom Heaton, Dean Henderson.
Defenders: Lindeloef, Harry Maguire, Eric Bailly, Varane, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Diogo Dalot, Luke Shaw, 2Alex Telles.
Midfielder: Nemanja Matic, Scott McTominay, Fred, Donny van de Beek, Paul Pogba, Bruno Fernandes, Jesse Lingard, Juan Mata, Jadon Sancho, Amad Diallo.
Forward: Cristiano Ronaldo, Anthony Martial, Marcus Rashford, Edinson Cavani.

MU Squad

A full-fledged strong squad. Goalkeeper David de Gea is a very experienced goalkeeper. There is nothing new to say about Varane in defense. There are very few skilled defenders like him. Midfield includes van de Beek, Pogba and Bruno. They are enough to knock down the opponent's defense. Although they are midfielders, they have the ability to score. Forwards include goal machine Cristiano Ronaldo, Rashford and Cavani. If the three of them can maintain a full season performance together, then Manchester United's title win will be much more certain. However, it is difficult to predict how effective this trio will be on the field. Will Rashford be able to adapt properly to Ronaldo?

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Quote from: Ebede on September 04, 2021, 06:26:17 AM

Quote from: Daniel91 on September 04, 2021, 05:46:43 AM

PSG remains the first favorite of the Champions League, but I think that Manchester City, Chelsea, Bayern and Real also have good chances.

As well you can't right a team off with the likes of Ronaldo, Cavani,Pogba,Bruno Fernandez, Varane.
These are quality players, all that needs to be done is for the management to bring the best out of them....I think Manchester United will go a long way in likewise.

As we can see Ronaldo vs Messi will fighting again on another club. then, The Ronaldo effect will make another player out from MU champion league formation; Greenwood is out. it is deeply regretted, he was created 3 goals in the premier league, I think he was playing well as a potential player in the champions league. and surely, MU going to be worth a big enemy Besides PSG, Manchester City, Chelsea, Bayern, and Real

Goal Keepers: David de Gea, Tom Heaton, Dean Henderson.
Defenders: Lindeloef, Harry Maguire, Eric Bailly, Varane, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Diogo Dalot, Luke Shaw, 2Alex Telles.
Midfielder: Nemanja Matic, Scott McTominay, Fred, Donny van de Beek, Paul Pogba, Bruno Fernandes, Jesse Lingard, Juan Mata, Jadon Sancho, Amad Diallo.
Forward: Cristiano Ronaldo, Anthony Martial, Marcus Rashford, Edinson Cavani.

MU Squad

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 04, 2021, 05:46:43 AM

PSG has brought in a lot of new players this summer and their coach will have a tough job to create a team from a group of strong individuals, a good and balanced team.
We had before the example that some clubs like Real or Barcelona had a lot of good and expensive players in the team but they did not achieve the expected results.
Should it be recalled that last season the unexpected champions of the French and Spanish leagues were Atletico and Lille?
Messi is probably the greatest footballer of all time but even he cannot win alone and needs the support of the team.
I believe that the biggest problem for the coach will be the great ego and vanity of his best footballers, Messi, Neymar and Mbappe and how to convince them to submit to the team.
PSG remains the first favorite of the Champions League, but I think that Manchester City, Chelsea, Bayern and Real also have good chances.

We also had teams like Madrid won 3 in a row or Barcelona win 6 cups in a single season as well. Don't get me wrong I am not denying that there are situations where the big names could get together and not build the team they imagine and end up losing, that has happened before. However, there are also situations where big names get together and win everything as well, both of them are equally possible situations.

This is why I believe that we should not wait for them to fail but we should not expect them to constantly win neither, we should act as if it is another team until they start to show what type of team they will become. The good thing is I saw Messi play in PSG for just a small amount and the team basically knew how to play around him and how he plays, that is a very important thing because he is used to a style and if PSG can provide that style then he will be more efficient.

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Quote from: babo on September 03, 2021, 10:12:04 AM

Quote from: Iranus on September 03, 2021, 12:35:04 AM

Messi has to adapt to the team and the other players in the team have to adapt to Messi. Messi cannot play well without the cooperation of other players, it is not possible. In Barcelona, Messi has received a lot of support from other players, and he has scored a lot of goals. It remains to be seen how much PSG players will help Messi.

is valid for all players, not only Messi

so i totally agree with you
football is a team game and therefore the team must work well

remember a few years ago? greece with a poor team won the european, because they played compactly

You are right Football is a team game. PSG has enough star players. They have good enough players in defense, midfield, and forwards. But if they do not perform well as a team, they will not be able to win the Champions League. If the coach can do his job well then maybe PSG will be able to play well as a team.

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Quote from: joker_josue on September 04, 2021, 02:45:04 AM

Quote from: Silberman on September 03, 2021, 04:18:25 PM

I do not think anyone can doubt the quality and the abilities of Messi, however he is facing a situation that he has not faced during his whole career, when he was at Barcelona it was the duty of his peers to adapt to his style of play as all the team was created with Messi in mind and how to bring out his maximum potential, however this time is different, he is the one that needs to adapt and not only bring his maximum potential but to do under adverse circumstances, something that is not easy at all but if there is someone that can do it is Messi.

I don't doubt Messi's abilities, he's a great player.

The point is that, it has been questioned whether Messi would really be so good if he played outside Barcelona, outside that style and that team designed for him. He's now going to answer that question, and we'll have the opportunity to see that.

He is going to prove it no doubt about it Messsi is not the type of player that need to adapt to a league before performing well judging from his first 25mins appearance last week you could see how venerable he was from the moment he came on the match. He could gotten a goal but Mapabbe was too selfish

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 04, 2021, 05:46:43 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on September 04, 2021, 02:45:04 AM

Quote from: Silberman on September 03, 2021, 04:18:25 PM

I do not think anyone can doubt the quality and the abilities of Messi, however he is facing a situation that he has not faced during his whole career, when he was at Barcelona it was the duty of his peers to adapt to his style of play as all the team was created with Messi in mind and how to bring out his maximum potential, however this time is different, he is the one that needs to adapt and not only bring his maximum potential but to do under adverse circumstances, something that is not easy at all but if there is someone that can do it is Messi.

I don't doubt Messi's abilities, he's a great player.

The point is that, it has been questioned whether Messi would really be so good if he played outside Barcelona, outside that style and that team designed for him. He's now going to answer that question, and we'll have the opportunity to see that.

PSG has brought in a lot of new players this summer and their coach will have a tough job to create a team from a group of strong individuals, a good and balanced team.
We had before the example that some clubs like Real or Barcelona had a lot of good and expensive players in the team but they did not achieve the expected results.
Should it be recalled that last season the unexpected champions of the French and Spanish leagues were Atletico and Lille?
Messi is probably the greatest footballer of all time but even he cannot win alone and needs the support of the team.
I believe that the biggest problem for the coach will be the great ego and vanity of his best footballers, Messi, Neymar and Mbappe and how to convince them to submit to the team.
PSG remains the first favorite of the Champions League, but I think that Manchester City, Chelsea, Bayern and Real also have good chances.

As well you can't right a team off with the likes of Ronaldo, Cavani,Pogba,Bruno Fernandez, Varane.
These are quality players, all that needs to be done is for the management to bring the best out of them....I think Manchester United will go a long way in likewise.

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Quote from: joker_josue on September 04, 2021, 02:45:04 AM

Quote from: Silberman on September 03, 2021, 04:18:25 PM

I do not think anyone can doubt the quality and the abilities of Messi, however he is facing a situation that he has not faced during his whole career, when he was at Barcelona it was the duty of his peers to adapt to his style of play as all the team was created with Messi in mind and how to bring out his maximum potential, however this time is different, he is the one that needs to adapt and not only bring his maximum potential but to do under adverse circumstances, something that is not easy at all but if there is someone that can do it is Messi.

I don't doubt Messi's abilities, he's a great player.

The point is that, it has been questioned whether Messi would really be so good if he played outside Barcelona, outside that style and that team designed for him. He's now going to answer that question, and we'll have the opportunity to see that.

PSG has brought in a lot of new players this summer and their coach will have a tough job to create a team from a group of strong individuals, a good and balanced team.
We had before the example that some clubs like Real or Barcelona had a lot of good and expensive players in the team but they did not achieve the expected results.
Should it be recalled that last season the unexpected champions of the French and Spanish leagues were Atletico and Lille?
Messi is probably the greatest footballer of all time but even he cannot win alone and needs the support of the team.
I believe that the biggest problem for the coach will be the great ego and vanity of his best footballers, Messi, Neymar and Mbappe and how to convince them to submit to the team.
PSG remains the first favorite of the Champions League, but I think that Manchester City, Chelsea, Bayern and Real also have good chances.

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Quote from: Silberman on September 03, 2021, 04:18:25 PM

I do not think anyone can doubt the quality and the abilities of Messi, however he is facing a situation that he has not faced during his whole career, when he was at Barcelona it was the duty of his peers to adapt to his style of play as all the team was created with Messi in mind and how to bring out his maximum potential, however this time is different, he is the one that needs to adapt and not only bring his maximum potential but to do under adverse circumstances, something that is not easy at all but if there is someone that can do it is Messi.

I don't doubt Messi's abilities, he's a great player.

The point is that, it has been questioned whether Messi would really be so good if he played outside Barcelona, outside that style and that team designed for him. He's now going to answer that question, and we'll have the opportunity to see that.

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Quote from: Silberman on September 03, 2021, 04:18:25 PM

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If there is one thing that Messi has no problem with, that is definitely to adapt to his players and understand quickly how to get the best out of them.

I do not think so. But that's what we're going to see now. It's the first time that Messi is at a club other than Barcelona.
For the quality of player that he is, he will adapt. But it's now that we'll see if he's capable of it or not.

I do not think anyone can doubt the quality and the abilities of Messi, however he is facing a situation that he has not faced during his whole career, when he was at Barcelona it was the duty of his peers to adapt to his style of play as all the team was created with Messi in mind and how to bring out his maximum potential, however this time is different, he is the one that needs to adapt and not only bring his maximum potential but to do under adverse circumstances, something that is not easy at all but if there is someone that can do it is Messi.

I don't think it will be difficult for Messi, because at PSG there is already Neymar and also Di Maria and some other players who are from Argentina. That way, Messi will not be rigid in adapting because their relationship with the two players is very close. Also, star players will always be welcome wherever he comes, so even though Messi is new here but I'm sure that other players will try to get closer and understand Messi's playing character so that he can keep up with his playing during matches.

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Quote from: Pulsar77 on August 27, 2021, 09:28:13 AM

Group A is really awesome. I can't wait to see Manchester City vs PSG and PSG vs Manchester City games. Cheesy

These are the biggest favourites for the Champions League title this season. PSG have Lionel Messi from now on. And Manchester City are really close to signing Cristiano Ronaldo. It will be great to see these two legends playing against each other again.

Yes its the strongest group not to mention that leipzig team will pose a serious threat but i think man city an psg are in the best position to take the first two spots and the favourites to win the champions league true psg are stronger with messi with their side but they lack team play as weve seen them conceid many goals in the first games so they need more time to adapt.

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Quote from: joker_josue on September 01, 2021, 02:48:17 AM

Quote from: mv1986 on September 01, 2021, 01:16:30 AM

If there is one thing that Messi has no problem with, that is definitely to adapt to his players and understand quickly how to get the best out of them.

I do not think so. But that's what we're going to see now. It's the first time that Messi is at a club other than Barcelona.
For the quality of player that he is, he will adapt. But it's now that we'll see if he's capable of it or not.

I do not think anyone can doubt the quality and the abilities of Messi, however he is facing a situation that he has not faced during his whole career, when he was at Barcelona it was the duty of his peers to adapt to his style of play as all the team was created with Messi in mind and how to bring out his maximum potential, however this time is different, he is the one that needs to adapt and not only bring his maximum potential but to do under adverse circumstances, something that is not easy at all but if there is someone that can do it is Messi.

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Quote from: Iranus on September 01, 2021, 09:36:27 AM

Messi likes to assist, Mbappe is certainly lucky to have the opportunity to play with a player like Messi. Messi is experienced. Mbappe can learn a lot from Messi. And Mbappe will be able to make himself more experienced. Mbappe may be a key player for Real Madrid, but it will take time to adjust to La Liga's strategy.

Absolutely I agree. If Messi manages to get used to this league, he can do great things. Despite his advanced age, he is still a great player, and with his experience, he will be very useful for his team.
He can show his potential in a few games, there's no reason he shouldn't be the assist king of the league

The idea of all this is that Messi can adapt quickly to his team, also the French football style and the strategy is much more different from that of Barcelona, Messi can actually learn the system and start to shine.

It should be noted that the only systems that Messi knows is that of Barcelona and his Argentine national team, since his childhood they are the only systems he knows, at this point the genius of Messi if he cannot adapt does not matter, he just does what Whatever he wants on the soccer field, it turns out well, he knows in which position to play, he doesn't need to adapt much, even if he has to meet those standards.

Messi has to adapt to the team and the other players in the team have to adapt to Messi. Messi cannot play well without the cooperation of other players, it is not possible. In Barcelona, Messi has received a lot of support from other players, and he has scored a lot of goals. It remains to be seen how much PSG players will help Messi.

Messi will have to adopt to the new team but we are currently talking about the best team in the world(the most expensive one) and all players are mostly superstar and you can adopt pretty easily here. In Barca the play was all around Messi in PSG is diffrent,Messi will only have to adopt to that.

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Quote from: babo on September 03, 2021, 10:12:04 AM

Quote from: Iranus on September 03, 2021, 12:35:04 AM

Messi has to adapt to the team and the other players in the team have to adapt to Messi. Messi cannot play well without the cooperation of other players, it is not possible. In Barcelona, Messi has received a lot of support from other players, and he has scored a lot of goals. It remains to be seen how much PSG players will help Messi.

is valid for all players, not only Messi

That's true, but it's one thing for the team to be worked from the youth team in a style of play thinking about getting the best performance out of a player. Another is a team that is built by players from various backgrounds, who despite having quality, were not trained to play in a style of play to get the best out of a specific player.

This was noticed a little, in the last 2 years at Barcelona, when the team was not as interconnected as Messi, the performances were not so surprising.

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