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Quote from: Iranus on September 02, 2021, 11:35:04 PM

Messi has to adapt to the team and the other players in the team have to adapt to Messi. Messi cannot play well without the cooperation of other players, it is not possible. In Barcelona, Messi has received a lot of support from other players, and he has scored a lot of goals. It remains to be seen how much PSG players will help Messi.

is valid for all players, not only Messi

so i totally agree with you
football is a team game and therefore the team must work well

remember a few years ago? greece with a poor team won the european, because they played compactly

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Quote from: icopress on September 02, 2021, 12:44:50 PM

Are you a fan of tautology? ~Btw, "Dynamo" Kiev, got into one of the toughest groups, while "Shakhtar" Donetsk was more fortunate because in their group they have no one to fear (Lukaku moved to Chelsea and Real is not the same as it was before). And then .... Messi against Guardiola, Villarreal again against Manchester United (and again the game will end in a draw) in general, we will have an exciting marathon. Shocked

Lol, Do you want to take away my freedom of speech, the last thing I have obtained from the democratic world? Tongue

Btw, I am waiting for Messi's match against Guardiola. You know, the good relationship between Messi and Guardiola. While there are many more star players at PSG, but still we don’t know how well they are able to perform together. On the other hand, Manchester City is a very strong team. Maybe a very competitive match is going to be held.
You know, the old memories of Barcelona against Bayern Munich are not pleasant. Barcelona lost the last match against Bayern 8-2. My guess is that Bayern Munich will be able to beat Barcelona in the next match as well.

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Quote from: Iranus on September 01, 2021, 08:36:27 AM

Messi likes to assist, Mbappe is certainly lucky to have the opportunity to play with a player like Messi. Messi is experienced. Mbappe can learn a lot from Messi. And Mbappe will be able to make himself more experienced. Mbappe may be a key player for Real Madrid, but it will take time to adjust to La Liga's strategy.

Absolutely I agree. If Messi manages to get used to this league, he can do great things. Despite his advanced age, he is still a great player, and with his experience, he will be very useful for his team.
He can show his potential in a few games, there's no reason he shouldn't be the assist king of the league

The idea of all this is that Messi can adapt quickly to his team, also the French football style and the strategy is much more different from that of Barcelona, Messi can actually learn the system and start to shine.

It should be noted that the only systems that Messi knows is that of Barcelona and his Argentine national team, since his childhood they are the only systems he knows, at this point the genius of Messi if he cannot adapt does not matter, he just does what Whatever he wants on the soccer field, it turns out well, he knows in which position to play, he doesn't need to adapt much, even if he has to meet those standards.

Messi has to adapt to the team and the other players in the team have to adapt to Messi. Messi cannot play well without the cooperation of other players, it is not possible. In Barcelona, Messi has received a lot of support from other players, and he has scored a lot of goals. It remains to be seen how much PSG players will help Messi.

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Quote from: alpamar99 on September 02, 2021, 10:07:07 AM

Actually, when viewed from the whole, PSG is now like an avenger when it is aligned with players from every club in league 1 because from every line there are players who are above average which makes this team very strong.
and it is certain that when clubs in league 1 will make defensive strategies to play against PSG so that they hope not to concede, because winning matches is very difficult, especially for teams at the bottom of the table.
at least a draw is the most likely choice for them.
but it's only in league 1 because speaking for the Champions League I think it will be a little different because the Champions level is higher and indeed PSG are strong but for the Champions level they are still on a par with other teams such as City, Madrid Chelsea and some another team.

Indeed, PSG now seems difficult to beat but if I look at the previous match where PSG was still unable to win big with a clean sheet, then it means that PSG's defense is also not as perfect as imagined. We're just hypnotized by having Messi there and I don't think it's promising for PSG to go further in the UCL. I personally will still be looking forward to how far PSG will go in UCL, because as we know in UCL there will always be surprises, especially from teams that are not considered or dark horse teams.

this is a task that the coach must immediately think of a solution for and if seen from PSG's performance it is already good but as good as a team is there must be a weak point that must be resolved immediately, besides that for now PSG's back line is still often missed, especially in attack back, but I'm still waiting for the debut of the two new players in their back line, Ramos and Donaruma because until now this hasn't happened yet.
maybe by playing Ramos at the back, at least we can lift both mentally and in performance because we know that Ramos was a pretty reliable defender when he was at Real Madrid.
and for the champions league I completely agree with what you said because every year there are always surprises, for example, like the 2019/2020 season where dark horse teams like Atalanta and Lyon can even get to the quarter-finals and semi-finals and are able to beat big teams including PSG at that time.
because again, this is football anything can happen on the pitch. no matter the team is strong in terms of money and players, still when 90 minutes of the match goes on, the team of 11 people can survive.

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Quote from: Maidak on September 02, 2021, 09:56:05 AM

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Are you a fan of tautology? I still don't quite understand why people read previous posts, paraphrase and publish the same. Btw, "Dynamo" Kiev, got into one of the toughest groups, while "Shakhtar" Donetsk was more fortunate because in their group they have no one to fear (Lukaku moved to Chelsea and Real is not the same as it was before). And then .... Messi against Guardiola, Villarreal again against Manchester United (and again the game will end in a draw) in general, we will have an exciting marathon. Shocked

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Quote from: Iranus on September 01, 2021, 08:36:27 AM

Messi likes to assist, Mbappe is certainly lucky to have the opportunity to play with a player like Messi. Messi is experienced. Mbappe can learn a lot from Messi. And Mbappe will be able to make himself more experienced. Mbappe may be a key player for Real Madrid, but it will take time to adjust to La Liga's strategy.

Absolutely I agree. If Messi manages to get used to this league, he can do great things. Despite his advanced age, he is still a great player, and with his experience, he will be very useful for his team.
He can show his potential in a few games, there's no reason he shouldn't be the assist king of the league

The idea of all this is that Messi can adapt quickly to his team, also the French football style and the strategy is much more different from that of Barcelona, Messi can actually learn the system and start to shine.

It should be noted that the only systems that Messi knows is that of Barcelona and his Argentine national team, since his childhood they are the only systems he knows, at this point the genius of Messi if he cannot adapt does not matter, he just does what Whatever he wants on the soccer field, it turns out well, he knows in which position to play, he doesn't need to adapt much, even if he has to meet those standards.

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Quote from: alpamar99 on September 02, 2021, 10:07:07 AM

Quote from: Iranus on September 02, 2021, 09:33:06 AM

PSG's forward lineup is very strong. On the other hand, Ligue 1 teams are weak. It is not very difficult to score 5 goals against such a team. But most of the teams try to play defensively against PSG. It is difficult to score when the opponent is playing defensively. Moreover, if the Mesi Mbappe and Neymar trio do not understand each other well, it will be difficult to score.

Actually, when viewed from the whole, PSG is now like an avenger when it is aligned with players from every club in league 1 because from every line there are players who are above average which makes this team very strong.
and it is certain that when clubs in league 1 will make defensive strategies to play against PSG so that they hope not to concede, because winning matches is very difficult, especially for teams at the bottom of the table.
at least a draw is the most likely choice for them.
but it's only in league 1 because speaking for the Champions League I think it will be a little different because the Champions level is higher and indeed PSG are strong but for the Champions level they are still on a par with other teams such as City, Madrid Chelsea and some another team.

Indeed, PSG now seems difficult to beat but if I look at the previous match where PSG was still unable to win big with a clean sheet, then it means that PSG's defense is also not as perfect as imagined. We're just hypnotized by having Messi there and I don't think it's promising for PSG to go further in the UCL. I personally will still be looking forward to how far PSG will go in UCL, because as we know in UCL there will always be surprises, especially from teams that are not considered or dark horse teams.

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Quote from: Iranus on September 02, 2021, 09:33:06 AM

PSG's forward lineup is very strong. On the other hand, Ligue 1 teams are weak. It is not very difficult to score 5 goals against such a team. But most of the teams try to play defensively against PSG. It is difficult to score when the opponent is playing defensively. Moreover, if the Mesi Mbappe and Neymar trio do not understand each other well, it will be difficult to score.

Actually, when viewed from the whole, PSG is now like an avenger when it is aligned with players from every club in league 1 because from every line there are players who are above average which makes this team very strong.
and it is certain that when clubs in league 1 will make defensive strategies to play against PSG so that they hope not to concede, because winning matches is very difficult, especially for teams at the bottom of the table.
at least a draw is the most likely choice for them.
but it's only in league 1 because speaking for the Champions League I think it will be a little different because the Champions level is higher and indeed PSG are strong but for the Champions level they are still on a par with other teams such as City, Madrid Chelsea and some another team.

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Quote from: icopress on September 01, 2021, 09:48:25 AM

For players like Messi, the language barrier is definitely not a Barrier. Even if he does not know English, which I doubt ... then his colossal playing experience will help him in following the coaching instructions. But even this is not the main thing, since he already felt the atmosphere of the locker room, and the warm welcome that the whole Paris organized for him, (not to mention the fact that some of the PSG players speak Spanish).

I don't think language will cause too much trouble for Messi. Maybe talking to other players can be a bit of a problem. But it will not cause any problems on the field. There are also players like Neymar, Di Maria, and Icardi to help him.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 02, 2021, 05:12:22 AM

Quote from: Iranus on September 02, 2021, 04:57:22 AM

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Quote from: Iranus on September 01, 2021, 08:36:27 AM

Messi likes to assist, Mbappe is certainly lucky to have the opportunity to play with a player like Messi. Messi is experienced. Mbappe can learn a lot from Messi. And Mbappe will be able to make himself more experienced. Mbappe may be a key player for Real Madrid, but it will take time to adjust to La Liga's strategy.

Absolutely I agree. If Messi manages to get used to this league, he can do great things. Despite his advanced age, he is still a great player, and with his experience, he will be very useful for his team.
He can show his potential in a few games, there's no reason he shouldn't be the assist king of the league

Ramos and Messi are now the most experienced players in the PSG team. If the two of them can adapt to the coach's strategy, then PSG will get their performance very well. They have both played in La Liga so far. La Liga's strategy is different from PSG's strategy. So they need time to adapt to the PSG team.

@Iranus I’m dying to see what kind of strategy will Poch adopt, because with these player’s he should target at least 5 goals each match. However they could be stunned on counter attacks, hence it’ll be very interesting to see what will be his defence strategy and will Messi be able to help them defend if he’s instructed to fall back and defend.

PSG's forward lineup is very strong. On the other hand, Ligue 1 teams are weak. It is not very difficult to score 5 goals against such a team. But most of the teams try to play defensively against PSG. It is difficult to score when the opponent is playing defensively. Moreover, if the Mesi Mbappe and Neymar trio do not understand each other well, it will be difficult to score.

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Quote from: Iranus on September 02, 2021, 04:57:22 AM

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Ramos and Messi are now the most experienced players in the PSG team. If the two of them can adapt to the coach's strategy, then PSG will get their performance very well. They have both played in La Liga so far. La Liga's strategy is different from PSG's strategy. So they need time to adapt to the PSG team.

by any doubt, PSG should play for 5+ goals per match in Ligue1, maybe even in CL group stage, expect with City, all others matches should be win with a margin

but, when comes to CL title chase, I doubt that they will be able to win over more compact teams, such as Chelsea or Bayern, it will be a tough matches for them in the end, it is a long way to that point, but I do not see them as Champions League winners in the end, too much stars is just as bad as having no star player in the team, team spirit is what they need, and that will a hard to achieve

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 02, 2021, 05:12:22 AM

However they could be stunned on counter attacks, hence it’ll be very interesting to see what will be his defence strategy and will Messi be able to help them defend if he’s instructed to fall back and defend.

I think messi is bad defensively. He tends to be good in attack, so I don't think he will play a big role in defence. If you look at the game at Barca they tend to have the ball, so they rarely get pressure from the enemy, unless it's a counter-attack. That's very rare. But I think Messi will be more optimal if he has an understanding of the game at PSG defence.

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Quote from: Iranus on September 02, 2021, 04:57:22 AM

Quote from: xzone on September 01, 2021, 10:06:25 AM

Quote from: Iranus on September 01, 2021, 08:36:27 AM

Messi likes to assist, Mbappe is certainly lucky to have the opportunity to play with a player like Messi. Messi is experienced. Mbappe can learn a lot from Messi. And Mbappe will be able to make himself more experienced. Mbappe may be a key player for Real Madrid, but it will take time to adjust to La Liga's strategy.

Absolutely I agree. If Messi manages to get used to this league, he can do great things. Despite his advanced age, he is still a great player, and with his experience, he will be very useful for his team.
He can show his potential in a few games, there's no reason he shouldn't be the assist king of the league

Ramos and Messi are now the most experienced players in the PSG team. If the two of them can adapt to the coach's strategy, then PSG will get their performance very well. They have both played in La Liga so far. La Liga's strategy is different from PSG's strategy. So they need time to adapt to the PSG team.

@Iranus I’m dying to see what kind of strategy will Poch adopt, because with these player’s he should target at least 5 goals each match. However they could be stunned on counter attacks, hence it’ll be very interesting to see what will be his defence strategy and will Messi be able to help them defend if he’s instructed to fall back and defend.

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Quote from: xzone on September 01, 2021, 10:06:25 AM

Quote from: Iranus on September 01, 2021, 08:36:27 AM

Messi likes to assist, Mbappe is certainly lucky to have the opportunity to play with a player like Messi. Messi is experienced. Mbappe can learn a lot from Messi. And Mbappe will be able to make himself more experienced. Mbappe may be a key player for Real Madrid, but it will take time to adjust to La Liga's strategy.

Absolutely I agree. If Messi manages to get used to this league, he can do great things. Despite his advanced age, he is still a great player, and with his experience, he will be very useful for his team.
He can show his potential in a few games, there's no reason he shouldn't be the assist king of the league

Ramos and Messi are now the most experienced players in the PSG team. If the two of them can adapt to the coach's strategy, then PSG will get their performance very well. They have both played in La Liga so far. La Liga's strategy is different from PSG's strategy. So they need time to adapt to the PSG team.

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Quote from: Iranus on September 01, 2021, 08:36:27 AM

Messi likes to assist, Mbappe is certainly lucky to have the opportunity to play with a player like Messi. Messi is experienced. Mbappe can learn a lot from Messi. And Mbappe will be able to make himself more experienced. Mbappe may be a key player for Real Madrid, but it will take time to adjust to La Liga's strategy.

Absolutely I agree. If Messi manages to get used to this league, he can do great things. Despite his advanced age, he is still a great player, and with his experience, he will be very useful for his team.
He can show his potential in a few games, there's no reason he shouldn't be the assist king of the league

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Quote from: Maidak on September 01, 2021, 09:26:31 AM

Messi knows Spanish, I think he doesn't know Paris or English. So he may have some problems talking to other players. Messi is a talented player, other players on the team should help him. And the coach should give Messi and Neymar a chance to play together. Together they have done very well in Barcelona. If they are not on the field together, it will be more difficult for Messi to adjust to the rest of the team.

For players like Messi, the language barrier is definitely not a Barrier. Even if he does not know English, which I doubt ... then his colossal playing experience will help him in following the coaching instructions. But even this is not the main thing, since he already felt the atmosphere of the locker room, and the warm welcome that the whole Paris organized for him, (not to mention the fact that some of the PSG players speak Spanish).

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It was the draw for the group stage of the Champions League.

I think group A and group E are two groups that will probably be very competitive.

What do you think?

It's funny that both moneybags (Manchester City and PSG) fell into the same group. I understand that this is unrealistic, but I will hope that Leipzig and Bruges will leave Group A in the next round. In general, I must note that all groups are rather boring except for group B, almost everywhere it is clear who will take the first two places.

I had the same thought, but I think Leipzig will not play a role in the CL this year. Over the past 14 month they have lost a bunch of key players. First Timo Werner went to Chelsea, then their successful coach Nagelsmann and finally "chief of defensive" Ubamecano and central playmaker Sabitzer (all three went to Bayern). I think Leipzig will need one or two years to build a new good team that can surprise in the CL again.

The most exciting and balanced group in my opinion is group B with Atletico, Liverpool, Milan and Porto.

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Quote from: Jackl87 on September 01, 2021, 02:22:02 AM

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Quote from: mv1986 on September 01, 2021, 12:16:30 AM

If there is one thing that Messi has no problem with, that is definitely to adapt to his players and understand quickly how to get the best out of them.

I do not think so. But that's what we're going to see now. It's the first time that Messi is at a club other than Barcelona.
For the quality of player that he is, he will adapt. But it's now that we'll see if he's capable of it or not.

I also think that it is definitely possible that messi will have some problems to adapt as he always seemed to be a guy that really enjoyed to be around people that he knows. He never seemed to have wanted to go to another league to learn a new language, a new culture and stuff like that. Now he basically had to go to Paris in order to continue to play football on a high Level. As far as i know he does not speak french nor english so he definitely will have some problems to communicate at the beginning.

Messi knows Spanish, I think he doesn't know Paris or English. So he may have some problems talking to other players. Messi is a talented player, other players on the team should help him. And the coach should give Messi and Neymar a chance to play together. Together they have done very well in Barcelona. If they are not on the field together, it will be more difficult for Messi to adjust to the rest of the team.

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Quote from: mv1986 on September 01, 2021, 12:16:30 AM

If there is one thing that Messi has no problem with, that is definitely to adapt to his players and understand quickly how to get the best out of them. Mbappe can be lucky to have Messi on his team because that means more goals for Mbappe as well. The three are the perfect combination comprising speed, technique, precision and creativity. You can't have more than that. As it looks now Mbappe stays and that is the right decision in my opinion.

Messi likes to assist, Mbappe is certainly lucky to have the opportunity to play with a player like Messi. Messi is experienced. Mbappe can learn a lot from Messi. And Mbappe will be able to make himself more experienced. Mbappe may be a key player for Real Madrid, but it will take time to adjust to La Liga's strategy.

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Quote from: joker_josue on September 01, 2021, 01:48:17 AM

Quote from: mv1986 on September 01, 2021, 12:16:30 AM

If there is one thing that Messi has no problem with, that is definitely to adapt to his players and understand quickly how to get the best out of them.

I do not think so. But that's what we're going to see now. It's the first time that Messi is at a club other than Barcelona.
For the quality of player that he is, he will adapt. But it's now that we'll see if he's capable of it or not.

I also think that it is definitely possible that messi will have some problems to adapt as he always seemed to be a guy that really enjoyed to be around people that he knows. He never seemed to have wanted to go to another league to learn a new language, a new culture and stuff like that. Now he basically had to go to Paris in order to continue to play football on a high Level. As far as i know he does not speak french nor english so he definitely will have some problems to communicate at the beginning.

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