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January 21, 2021, 07:37:36 AM
Messi is impossibile to replace for entire world!
Like we said can be replace Diego Maradona (impossible!!)

I only hope Messi can recover and found peace and play like old-Messi for fun of fans Smiley (like me)

We want his magic
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January 20, 2021, 05:40:53 AM
So Barcelona needs Messi more than Barcelona needs Messi at the moment.
Are you trying to tell us that Messi is everything for Barcelona? While Barcelona won't get big income without Messi? I don't think Barcelona will go bankrupt if Messi leaves it. I am pretty sure if Barcelona will get another younger top-class player to replace Messi. We know Messi has a big role in Barcelona, but his salary is getting higher and it also becomes a problem there. On the other hand, Barcelona needs a younger player for a better future team. Barcelona cannot rely on Messi forever.

It is impossible to replace Messi at the moment. There is no second such player in the world. There have been attempts, a lot of money was spent. And if Messi leaves, Barcelona will lose quite a lot of fans. This will lead to a decrease in income. I am not talking about the strength of the team. At the moment. in Barcelona there are two players on which the team's play depends: Messi and Ter Stegen.
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January 19, 2021, 07:40:57 PM
So Barcelona needs Messi more than Barcelona needs Messi at the moment.
Are you trying to tell us that Messi is everything for Barcelona? While Barcelona won't get big income without Messi? I don't think Barcelona will go bankrupt if Messi leaves it. I am pretty sure if Barcelona will get another younger top-class player to replace Messi. We know Messi has a big role in Barcelona, but his salary is getting higher and it also becomes a problem there. On the other hand, Barcelona needs a younger player for a better future team. Barcelona cannot rely on Messi forever.
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January 19, 2021, 11:39:38 AM
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Yep, those are the real examples of negative effects to rely on Messi only. A team should rely on 11 players since they play with 11 people. Not only Munchen and PSG but other teams who can handle Messi well, also have a big chance to win against Barcelona now. I don't know what Barcelona management or the coach wants to Messi, I know he isn't only a superstar there, he is an icon of Barcelona. But in the field, he cannot do everything alone, he cannot play in the top performance forever. 

None of the presidents can afford to let Messi leave. And with him in the roster, you can't build a new team. And his salary is very high, which does not allow attracting new high-class players. Plus Messi is a lot of advertising and, accordingly, a lot of income So Barcelona needs Messi more than Barcelona needs Messi at the moment.
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January 19, 2021, 04:36:05 AM

I agree that it is time for Barcelona to start working out the options for a team game without Messi, because already in some matches it is felt that Leo does not get the former pleasure from the game. Therefore, if Messi still wants to leave the team at the end of the season, then it is not necessary to prevent this, because his actions and victories have earned a respectful and fair attitude to his own person.

is a slow process of de-Messi-fication.. normal
they are now in forming phase of team.. the next phase is storming phase

after normalizing
after performing

is long path, but every team do these steps.. example Juventus
in Italy for example
- Milan
- Atalanta

are in performing phase

and Inter Milan <-- never start to rebuild (because Antonio Conte isnt fired at moment)
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January 18, 2021, 07:52:54 PM
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Yep, those are the real examples of negative effects to rely on Messi only. A team should rely on 11 players since they play with 11 people. Not only Munchen and PSG but other teams who can handle Messi well, also have a big chance to win against Barcelona now. I don't know what Barcelona management or the coach wants to Messi, I know he isn't only a superstar there, he is an icon of Barcelona. But in the field, he cannot do everything alone, he cannot play in the top performance forever.  
I agree that it is time for Barcelona to start working out the options for a team game without Messi, because already in some matches it is felt that Leo does not get the former pleasure from the game. Therefore, if Messi still wants to leave the team at the end of the season, then it is not necessary to prevent this, because his actions and victories have earned a respectful and fair attitude to his own person.
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January 18, 2021, 07:29:49 PM
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Yep, those are the real examples of negative effects to rely on Messi only. A team should rely on 11 players since they play with 11 people. Not only Munchen and PSG but other teams who can handle Messi well, also have a big chance to win against Barcelona now. I don't know what Barcelona management or the coach wants to Messi, I know he isn't only a superstar there, he is an icon of Barcelona. But in the field, he cannot do everything alone, he cannot play in the top performance forever. 
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January 18, 2021, 05:53:38 PM
Indeed. Other players won't have the confidence and chance to explore their potential in playing. Even worse, the opposing team can be easier to handle Barca attacking because it should focus on Messi only. The defenders of the opposing team only need to stop ball delivery to Messi, then they will have a big chance to win. This weakness seems very egoistic to give the chance to Messi only. It is like Messi only the one who has everything, while other players are just supporters.

It reminds me of the 2019/20 Champions League quarter-finals held at the Estadio da Luz. Munchen managed to destroy Barcelona with a score of 8-2. In that match Messi really couldn't move freely. They understand very well that Barca depend on messi so they locked him up. Then for the match against PSG, I think if PSG locks up messi I am sure they will win. Moreover, Barca is currently appearing more fragile than last year.
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January 18, 2021, 05:21:34 AM
In this match, it was Neymar and other players who played a big role. Messi went into the shadows and could not change the situation. At the moment, Neymar is not in Barcelona. And Messi is no longer as strong as a couple of years ago. So if this situation happens again, then Barcelona will not be able to work a miracle.

A bit of nonsensical analysis my friend,,, Neymar was at his peak the same time Messi was together in Barcelona. I can even argue that he lost some of his influence after he left for PSG, because mainly he could not win anything there other than French title (which is not even a given currently).

For Neymar, this match could be an opportunity to prove to everyone that he is better than Messi and came out of his shadow. Therefore, we may see a better version of Neymar. But he is trammed and it is not known whether he will recover to the game or not. But I wanted to see both teams in better shape to see interesting game.
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January 16, 2021, 04:18:48 AM
If a team is dependent on a specific player, the other players lose confidence in themselves.
Indeed. Other players won't have the confidence and chance to explore their potential in playing. Even worse, the opposing team can be easier to handle Barca attacking because it should focus on Messi only. The defenders of the opposing team only need to stop ball delivery to Messi, then they will have a big chance to win. This weakness seems very egoistic to give the chance to Messi only. It is like Messi only the one who has everything, while other players are just supporters.

You're right, the other players are just supporters. If they do not reduce their dependence, the opposition will focus only on Messi. Stopping Messi means beating Barcelona. Every Barcelona's player is as like gems. They are skilled and talented enough. If they play well from their position, their team's performance will be better.
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January 15, 2021, 01:55:28 PM
he is not just a star, let's say he is the symbol of football played with the head and in a refined way rather than with the muscles

it's like talking about maradona, who was very creative in scoring (the famous hand of god)

Messi is similar to maradona
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January 15, 2021, 01:39:03 PM
If a team is dependent on a specific player, the other players lose confidence in themselves.
Indeed. Other players won't have the confidence and chance to explore their potential in playing. Even worse, the opposing team can be easier to handle Barca attacking because it should focus on Messi only. The defenders of the opposing team only need to stop ball delivery to Messi, then they will have a big chance to win. This weakness seems very egoistic to give the chance to Messi only. It is like Messi only the one who has everything, while other players are just supporters.

Obviously their confidence will be lost if they only focus on Messi, therefore, even though star players still need cooperation with other players, selfishness will not provide opportunities, but only die when there is an attack from an opponent, this is what often happens to Barcelona. Messi's Messi is everything so don't think of such a good player giving the pass to but that would be lost if the situation was still like this in his squad.
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January 15, 2021, 01:27:54 PM
In this match, it was Neymar and other players who played a big role. Messi went into the shadows and could not change the situation. At the moment, Neymar is not in Barcelona. And Messi is no longer as strong as a couple of years ago. So if this situation happens again, then Barcelona will not be able to work a miracle.

A bit of nonsensical analysis my friend,,, Neymar was at his peak the same time Messi was together in Barcelona. I can even argue that he lost some of his influence after he left for PSG, because mainly he could not win anything there other than French title (which is not even a given currently).
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January 15, 2021, 01:19:00 PM
If a team is dependent on a specific player, the other players lose confidence in themselves.
Indeed. Other players won't have the confidence and chance to explore their potential in playing. Even worse, the opposing team can be easier to handle Barca attacking because it should focus on Messi only. The defenders of the opposing team only need to stop ball delivery to Messi, then they will have a big chance to win. This weakness seems very egoistic to give the chance to Messi only. It is like Messi only the one who has everything, while other players are just supporters.
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January 15, 2021, 09:48:50 AM
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Yep the whole story with Messi who wanted to leave at the beginning of the season is still an issue within the team. Everyone got the feeling he isn't giving the full 100% anymore to the team. The other players experience this and made them play this inconsistent.

Yeah
for this reason Barcellona/Messi cant do the best

same situation for Inter Milan (the coach, Antonio Conte, will get fired at end of season AND plus, owner going to sell the team!)

without mind, legs not works Smiley
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January 15, 2021, 09:19:04 AM
In this match, it was Neymar and other players who played a big role. Messi went into the shadows and could not change the situation. At the moment, Neymar is not in Barcelona. And Messi is no longer as strong as a couple of years ago. So if this situation happens again, then Barcelona will not be able to work a miracle.
This conditions makes me remember when AC Milan meet MU in UCL, in semifinal 2016/17, MU is too dependent on CR7, when CR7 cannot move freely, the team loses their best playing style. I think PSG can do the same thing by minimizing Messi's movement in defense, with this Barcelona who lacks play makers will have difficulty to penetrating PSG's defense. Some counter attack will give PSG opportunity to create a goal.
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January 15, 2021, 04:41:03 AM
next intersting game, in my humble opinions is the match of "turn"...
Barcellona versus PSG

is hard to estimate, but if i bet something.. i bet on PSG.. because Barcellona is broken team at moment

i hope he recovers soon, i liked so much how they played
Both are good teams. Remember in the group phase Barca performed well, they only lost once. I think the chances of winning and qualifying are still the same. Barca is more experienced than PSG, if you remember when 2017 Barca lost 4-0 at the Parc des Princes but won 6-1 at Camp Nou. But it's all history, because the two clubs have changed a lot. One more thing I heard that Neymar suffered an ankle injury during the match against Lyon. The history of neymar's injury requires a long recovery time, if he still hasn't recovered against Barca maybe Lyon could lose.

In this match, it was Neymar and other players who played a big role. Messi went into the shadows and could not change the situation. At the moment, Neymar is not in Barcelona. And Messi is no longer as strong as a couple of years ago. So if this situation happens again, then Barcelona will not be able to work a miracle.
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January 15, 2021, 04:37:18 AM
Barcelona still relies entirely on Messi. If Messi plays well, the team wins, if Messi fails to perform, the overall performance of the team is not good.
Yes. It is the same as the Argentina team, Barcelona also too relies on Messi. I don't know why it can be, but I suspect because Messi always becomes the target man in the Barcelona team during the match. So, most players only focus to deliver the ball to Messi, while Messi always becomes the executor to make a goal. It is not an effective strategy against big teams like Real Madrid, PSG, Bayern, etc. Their defenders will be very easy to stop the ball delivery to Messi.

You're right, players depend on Messi and they give the ball pass more to Messi. Everyone believes that only by cooperating with Messi will Messi be able to score and the team will be able to win. But besides Messi, there are many talented players on the team. Maybe they are not as talented as Messi. But they are also able to score when given enough opportunities. If a team is dependent on a specific player, the other players lose confidence in themselves. It is very bad for team work
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January 14, 2021, 07:33:50 PM
Barcelona still relies entirely on Messi. If Messi plays well, the team wins, if Messi fails to perform, the overall performance of the team is not good.
Yes. It is the same as the Argentina team, Barcelona also too relies on Messi. I don't know why it can be, but I suspect because Messi always becomes the target man in the Barcelona team during the match. So, most players only focus to deliver the ball to Messi, while Messi always becomes the executor to make a goal. It is not an effective strategy against big teams like Real Madrid, PSG, Bayern, etc. Their defenders will be very easy to stop the ball delivery to Messi.
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January 14, 2021, 06:10:42 PM
next intersting game, in my humble opinions is the match of "turn"...
Barcellona versus PSG

is hard to estimate, but if i bet something.. i bet on PSG.. because Barcellona is broken team at moment

i hope he recovers soon, i liked so much how they played
Both are good teams. Remember in the group phase Barca performed well, they only lost once. I think the chances of winning and qualifying are still the same. Barca is more experienced than PSG, if you remember when 2017 Barca lost 4-0 at the Parc des Princes but won 6-1 at Camp Nou. But it's all history, because the two clubs have changed a lot. One more thing I heard that Neymar suffered an ankle injury during the match against Lyon. The history of neymar's injury requires a long recovery time, if he still hasn't recovered against Barca maybe Lyon could lose.
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