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Quote from: swogerino on December 28, 2020, 08:42:58 AM

Juventus was right to bring him in as he helped a lot in their gameplay.However Juventus is still strong without him to win the Serie A but will be a really big minus for Juventus in Champions League as without him they will struggle a lot in the advanced midfield.I exclude already Juventus to win the Champions League this year.

Yep, i know and i like Pogba. I was very sorry when they sold this very good player.. but the way of money is another. I follow the way of fun.
If a match is funny, i'm very happy.
I dont care if Juventus win or lost, or my beloved team (Atalanta) win or lost, i want only have a fun Cheesy

if Atalanta win, better..

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Quote from: kawetsriyanto on December 28, 2020, 06:31:07 PM

Don't forget that player move isn't only about the money. If Pogba doesn't feel interested to move to Real Madrid, the transfer may not happen. I don't think Juventus is in a really bad financial situation. They also can sell their players to have money for buying Pogba. Juventus have many popular players, they can choose the option to sell their players if they are serious to buy Pogba.

In fact, the whole situation with the transition of Pogba and arose from the reluctance of the player to continue his career Manchester United and the desire to move to another club. Currently, the desire of the player himself has a more significant impact on transfer activity, remember the recent epic with the departure or not of Gareth Bale from Real Madrid. I also believe that Juventus will be able to afford to buy Pogba despite all the financial nuances. Another question is what opinion Pirlo has on this issue, because all these conversations were before his appointment as head coach.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on December 28, 2020, 07:56:51 AM

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Don't forget that player move isn't only about the money. If Pogba doesn't feel interested to move to Real Madrid, the transfer may not happen. I don't think Juventus is in a really bad financial situation. They also can sell their players to have money for buying Pogba. Juventus have many popular players, they can choose the option to sell their players if they are serious to buy Pogba.

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Quote from: babo on December 28, 2020, 06:20:50 AM

pogba is really strong, i know him.. sell him is a big mistake juventus do

anyway, with this player (pogba) and CR7 above him and 1 serius attacker, all will change

the question is, this works? in theory yes.. but we dont understimate human effect.. Pogba "love" CR7?

see Ibrahimovic for example, not all good player fit with him..

Ibra is kind of narcissist, a good player but hyping himself too much, that is one of his issues which is a characteristic of his personality and some people admire it.. CR7 is different than him. Back in Real Madrid, CR7 was endorsed by Benzema and Bale (in the past), this trio used to be destructive. A good midfielder is always important of course.

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Quote from: babo on December 28, 2020, 06:20:50 AM

pogba is really strong, i know him.. sell him is a big mistake juventus do

anyway, with this player (pogba) and CR7 above him and 1 serius attacker, all will change

the question is, this works? in theory yes.. but we dont understimate human effect.. Pogba "love" CR7?

see Ibrahimovic for example, not all good player fit with him..

Juventus was right to bring him in as he helped a lot in their gameplay.However Juventus is still strong without him to win the Serie A but will be a really big minus for Juventus in Champions League as without him they will struggle a lot in the advanced midfield.I exclude already Juventus to win the Champions League this year.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on December 28, 2020, 04:42:23 AM

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on December 26, 2020, 09:18:54 AM

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@babo I’ll second that as they win most of their duels in the midfield, and I believe that’s why they’re keen to bring Pogba back in January, though I’m not sure if this transfer will actually happen in January. Lastly if they somehow manage to bring Pogba back in January then I’m pretty sure that they’ll improve massively, because Pirlo knows Pogba in and out and therefore he’ll be able to use his talents wisely.

Bringing Pogba to Juventus was indeed the right decision, because Juventus need experienced players and have good skills like Pogba.
But the problem is Pogba's high transfer price is an obstacle, because Juventus is now not in a good financial condition. So I doubt that
Juventus will succeed in bringing in Pogba in January. Because Real Madrid, which has quite good finances, is interested in bringing in
Pogba as well. I think Pogba is more likely to move to Real Msdrid.

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pogba is really strong, i know him.. sell him is a big mistake juventus do

anyway, with this player (pogba) and CR7 above him and 1 serius attacker, all will change

the question is, this works? in theory yes.. but we dont understimate human effect.. Pogba "love" CR7?

see Ibrahimovic for example, not all good player fit with him..

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Quote from: babo on December 28, 2020, 04:20:33 AM

Quote from: LittleBitFunny on December 26, 2020, 09:18:54 AM

Young players can counter-attack very quickly. But older players are a bit slow. In Seria A, all teams play attacking football. It is very important to make a quick counter attack in the champions league. Although there are many older players at Juventus, everyone's fitness is still great. But in the next few seasons, they will face serious problems if they do not have young talented players in their team.

defence football not working

if you are on defense, sooner or later a creative player can always find the world to show off and possibly suffer a foul
and shoot a penality

in reality, Italian football is not aggressive, let's say it is played in the midfield

that is the place where the difference is made, where you throw the attackers and where you break the opponent's attack maneuvers

this is why in recent years we have almost always had a thick midfield and less defense (in the past 4-5 defenders!)

@babo I’ll second that as they win most of their duels in the midfield, and I believe that’s why they’re keen to bring Pogba back in January, though I’m not sure if this transfer will actually happen in January. Lastly if they somehow manage to bring Pogba back in January then I’m pretty sure that they’ll improve massively, because Pirlo knows Pogba in and out and therefore he’ll be able to use his talents wisely.

Sources:

https://www.sportsmole.co.uk/football/man-utd/transfer-talk/news/juventus-want-gbp50m-paul-pogba-deal-in-january_428120.html

https://www.juvefc.com/andrea-pirlo-dreams-of-paul-pogba-returning-to-juventus/

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on December 26, 2020, 09:18:54 AM

Young players can counter-attack very quickly. But older players are a bit slow. In Seria A, all teams play attacking football. It is very important to make a quick counter attack in the champions league. Although there are many older players at Juventus, everyone's fitness is still great. But in the next few seasons, they will face serious problems if they do not have young talented players in their team.

defence football not working

if you are on defense, sooner or later a creative player can always find the world to show off and possibly suffer a foul
and shoot a penality

in reality, Italian football is not aggressive, let's say it is played in the midfield

that is the place where the difference is made, where you throw the attackers and where you break the opponent's attack maneuvers

this is why in recent years we have almost always had a thick midfield and less defense (in the past 4-5 defenders!)

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Quote from: kassex on December 26, 2020, 07:23:20 AM

older players do not allow playing at high speeds during a match. And in modern football, it is speed and endurance that decides the fate of any match. Juventus can count on its defense, but if the team is not able to carry out rapid counterattacks, then the result of the match will not be favor of Juventus.

I have to say defense was one of the main problems they had when they played Fiorentina for example, because bonucci proved that he is not fast enough and good enough anymore. They could still go with 3 defenders but that is a very difficult strategy against counter attacks, look at Liverpool arguably one of the best teams in the world if not the best, they have not only 4 defenders but they also have people in midfield who plays defensive as well, they just go out and come back as a team.

So, I think Juventus needs younger defenders like Ligt and Demiral to play a bit more strict and they need to get some defensive midfielder to not go out too much or at least come back very quickly and be ready for it. Age makes people slower normally, but it depends on the person as well, bonucci seems way too slow, Ronaldo is still faster than many younger players Cheesy

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Quote from: kassex on December 26, 2020, 07:23:20 AM

You are right. But older players do not allow playing at high speeds during a match. And in modern football, it is speed and endurance that decides the fate of any match. Juventus can count on its defense, but if the team is not able to carry out rapid counterattacks, then the result of the match will not be favor of Juventus.

Young players can counter-attack very quickly. But older players are a bit slow. In Seria A, all teams play attacking football. It is very important to make a quick counter attack in the champions league. Although there are many older players at Juventus, everyone's fitness is still great. But in the next few seasons, they will face serious problems if they do not have young talented players in their team.

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Juventus may be without cups this season. Experienced, but rather aged players cannot compete with other younger players for a long time. Inter in Serie A, Bayern Munich, Atletico Madrid, Liverpool in the Champions League play faster and more aggressive football. Juventus has very little chance against these teams.

Aged players? The Starting XI of Juventus has 2 over 30 players.
We have a younger team than Real, Barca, or Bayern.

Starting line-up for the last match in the Champions League:
Buffon -42,Bonucci - 33,Ronaldo - 35,Cuadrado - 32. And Alex Sandro,Danilo and Ramsey - 29.

In the current Champions League, the youngest team is RB Leipzig (23,8), the elderly Juventus (28).

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/uefa-champions-league/teilnehmer/pokalwettbewerb/CL

Lol it all depends on who you play as well. Juventus had very young defenders too, but older defenders too, young(er) goalkeeper too, and buffon too. Basically it all depends on the eleven you put on the field, and most teams could put out a very young or a very old team if they want to.

Champions league has a limit, so you can't just bring all the players you have, in the league you can register almost everyone barring some age restriction if they are too young, but aside from that you could play with 11 players that are 19 years old or younger in the league, all depends on if you ever want to do that, or you can play with 11 players over 28 as well if you have them. I think Juventus is a bit on the older side versus some of the other teams but their main problem is not age, it is more about their system is not fit for Europe, Italian clubs never really had that great offense, usually hard defense, and when hard defense is booked, they just lose.

You are right. But older players do not allow playing at high speeds during a match. And in modern football, it is speed and endurance that decides the fate of any match. Juventus can count on its defense, but if the team is not able to carry out rapid counterattacks, then the result of the match will not be favor of Juventus.

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Quote from: kassex on December 24, 2020, 02:14:14 PM

Juventus may be without cups this season. Experienced, but rather aged players cannot compete with other younger players for a long time. Inter in Serie A, Bayern Munich, Atletico Madrid, Liverpool in the Champions League play faster and more aggressive football. Juventus has very little chance against these teams.

Aged players? The Starting XI of Juventus has 2 over 30 players.
We have a younger team than Real, Barca, or Bayern.

Starting line-up for the last match in the Champions League:
Buffon -42,Bonucci - 33,Ronaldo - 35,Cuadrado - 32. And Alex Sandro,Danilo and Ramsey - 29.

In the current Champions League, the youngest team is RB Leipzig (23,8), the elderly Juventus (28).

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/uefa-champions-league/teilnehmer/pokalwettbewerb/CL

Lol it all depends on who you play as well. Juventus had very young defenders too, but older defenders too, young(er) goalkeeper too, and buffon too. Basically it all depends on the eleven you put on the field, and most teams could put out a very young or a very old team if they want to.

Champions league has a limit, so you can't just bring all the players you have, in the league you can register almost everyone barring some age restriction if they are too young, but aside from that you could play with 11 players that are 19 years old or younger in the league, all depends on if you ever want to do that, or you can play with 11 players over 28 as well if you have them. I think Juventus is a bit on the older side versus some of the other teams but their main problem is not age, it is more about their system is not fit for Europe, Italian clubs never really had that great offense, usually hard defense, and when hard defense is booked, they just lose.

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Quote from: kassex on December 25, 2020, 07:11:49 AM

Starting line-up for the last match in the Champions League:
Buffon -42,Bonucci - 33,Ronaldo - 35,Cuadrado - 32. And Alex Sandro,Danilo and Ramsey - 29.

In the current Champions League, the youngest team is RB Leipzig (23,8), the elderly Juventus (28).

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/uefa-champions-league/teilnehmer/pokalwettbewerb/CL

Yes but this is not the usual starting up, cmon.
Buffon is the second goalkeeper and he never plays. They give to him probably the last big game versus a big team.

The "old players" in the usual starting XI are.

Cuadrado 32
Bonucci 33
Ronaldo 35

I keep Ronaldo almost over of any 25yo on the planet.

I think others team has more over 30yo players.

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Quote from: kassex on December 24, 2020, 02:14:14 PM

Juventus may be without cups this season. Experienced, but rather aged players cannot compete with other younger players for a long time. Inter in Serie A, Bayern Munich, Atletico Madrid, Liverpool in the Champions League play faster and more aggressive football. Juventus has very little chance against these teams.

Aged players? The Starting XI of Juventus has 2 over 30 players.
We have a younger team than Real, Barca, or Bayern.

Starting line-up for the last match in the Champions League:
Buffon -42,Bonucci - 33,Ronaldo - 35,Cuadrado - 32. And Alex Sandro,Danilo and Ramsey - 29.

In the current Champions League, the youngest team is RB Leipzig (23,8), the elderly Juventus (28).

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/uefa-champions-league/teilnehmer/pokalwettbewerb/CL

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Paris Saint-Germain sacked coach thomas tuchel yesterday. no good christmas days for the german coach
now i'm really curious which new coach will be in charge of the two games against barcelona.
the two games will take place on 16 february and 10 march 2021. by then the new coach will surely have been found

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12172137/thomas-tuchel-sacked-by-paris-saint-germain
https://www.dw.com/en/thomas-tuchel-paris-saint-germain-fire-german-coach-reports/a-56052174

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Quote from: kassex on December 24, 2020, 02:14:14 PM

Juventus may be without cups this season. Experienced, but rather aged players cannot compete with other younger players for a long time. Inter in Serie A, Bayern Munich, Atletico Madrid, Liverpool in the Champions League play faster and more aggressive football. Juventus has very little chance against these teams.

I now believed that Juventus problem is not the manager I remembered vividly during the tenure of manager Maurizio Sarri there are many complains about the team now that Andrea Pirlo taken over so also many issues is being raised about the club ranging from fielding aged players, when will the team get things right in CL? ,Ronaldo outstanding performance is keeping that club in Seria A , once he is injured the club will struggle in this year CL against Porto their Chances of winning it this year is very slim with the Calibre of players in their squad.

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hmph..

Quote from: deadthings on December 24, 2020, 02:48:28 PM

Age is not that important I guess. After all, you also need a lot of experience to progress. A good mix of experience and talented young players is ideal.
something like Barcelona, but for some reason they do not function how they should.

Yes, I remember when Milan scudetto last time,
- Yepes
- Seedorf
- Nesta
- Jankulovski
- Gattuso
- Pippo
- van Bommel
and more are 30+ yo. From this example, Juventus this season are not too old to compete in UCL. since mostly player under 30+.

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Quote from: kassex on December 24, 2020, 02:14:14 PM

Experienced, but rather aged players cannot compete with other younger players for a long time.

NO, it is wrong. Having old players doesn't mean having bad players or uncompetitive players. It is all about their consistency or motivation. The coach should be responsible to improve these things. Even having old players means having players with better experiences. I don't think it is a bad thing, mate. Although old players have a lack of speed, experiences should be very helpful in the match.

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Age is not that important I guess. After all, you also need a lot of experience to progress. A good mix of experience and talented young players is ideal.
something like Barcelona, but for some reason they do not function how they should.

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