UEFA Champions League Discussion Thread - page 946.

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Quote from: TedMosby on August 29, 2020, 04:03:23 AM

Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on August 28, 2020, 04:48:03 AM

We’ve been here numerous times with Messi, I don’t think he’ll go but he really does like to try to control the club. Klopp would never allow this to happen, maybe it’d be better if Barca let him go & plan for life without him. He’s 33 & at this stage he controls the club, probably intimidates other players so they don’t express themselves on the pitch.

Messi is probably the greatest player ever but this kind of drama is not needed at a top club. If he wants to go then let him go & build for the future.

barcelona need to look at their rival, real madrid.
real madrid can give a permission for ronaldo to leave.
and still manage to win more trophies without ronaldo this year.

barcelona needs to remember how ronaldinho replaced by a new young player from their academy, which is messi himself.

Truly, at sometime we were going have too take this challenge like Real Madrid do, so might as well now! We should be thinking about who takes over from Messi now, rely on messi is not forever. I know it's challenging, however should to do.

Don't let you emotion just like this phrase-You can't imagine Barca without Messi. Being realistic

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On a Croatian portal, I came across a very good analytical article about the Champions League with the title: ''The same rules do not apply to Barcelona and Kosovo. Does the Champions League make sense?''
For those who don’t understand what it’s all about, some clubs have already been kicked out of this year’s Champions League competition because some of their players have been infected with the kotonavirus.
We are talking about Slovan from Bratislava. Slovakia for example or Drita from Kosovo.
These are double standards because the Gibraltar authorities immediately banned the match between the Kosovo and domestic clubs, while the more liberal authorities from San Marino allowed another Kosovo club, Gjilan, with infected players to still play the match.
We know that the players of Atletico Madrid had a similar problem, but UEFA helped them and they could play in the quarterfinals of the Champions League in Portugal.
So, when big money and clubs are in the game, UEFA will do everything not to stop the ''football show'', but when it comes to small clubs, no one cares.
A great example of hypocrisy and double UEFA standards.
Can we already say that this year's competition of the European League and the Champions League is irregular, even unfair?

Source: https://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/ovakva-liga-prvaka-nema-smisla/2207711.aspx

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Quote from: TedMosby on August 29, 2020, 04:03:23 AM

barcelona need to look at their rival, real madrid.
real madrid can give a permission for ronaldo to leave.
and still manage to win more trophies without ronaldo this year.

barcelona needs to remember how ronaldinho replaced by a new young player from their academy, which is messi himself.

You’re totally right, Messi isn’t going to be around forever. They need to plan for times without him at some point. They may as well get some good money for him now so they can buy a replacement or two.

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Quote from: TedMosby on August 29, 2020, 04:03:23 AM

barcelona need to look at their rival, real madrid.
real madrid can give a permission for ronaldo to leave.
and still manage to win more trophies without ronaldo this year.

barcelona needs to remember how ronaldinho replaced by a new young player from their academy, which is messi himself.

One cycle simply ended, for this reason happened these facts.
The team needs to rebuild everything from scratch to start a new cycle.
So consequently some people need to be changed and replaced in my opinion, regardless.

Of course in my humble opinion

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on August 28, 2020, 04:48:03 AM

We’ve been here numerous times with Messi, I don’t think he’ll go but he really does like to try to control the club. Klopp would never allow this to happen, maybe it’d be better if Barca let him go & plan for life without him. He’s 33 & at this stage he controls the club, probably intimidates other players so they don’t express themselves on the pitch.

Messi is probably the greatest player ever but this kind of drama is not needed at a top club. If he wants to go then let him go & build for the future.

barcelona need to look at their rival, real madrid.
real madrid can give a permission for ronaldo to leave.
and still manage to win more trophies without ronaldo this year.

barcelona needs to remember how ronaldinho replaced by a new young player from their academy, which is messi himself.

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Quote from: OcTradism on August 28, 2020, 10:26:44 AM

I can understand the cost at 700 million dollars when Messi was on his all time high form but now in his downside period, it is still at 700 million that sounds very unrealistic. Who can confirm that the cost is a fixed one or it is changed each year like his salary?

It is a clause in his contract. It is called minimum release clause and clubs from Spain are famous for it mostly. This is not that popular in other leagues or not popular at all, but in Spain it is almost a common thing for decades now.

This clause means that he can't be sold under 700 millions if the club does not want to do it. Legally. Though there are other points in contracts that can be set as conditions and similar things that can affect the minimum release clause and such.

Hope you can get the gist of it from my post.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on August 28, 2020, 04:48:03 AM

We’ve been here numerous times with Messi, I don’t think he’ll go but he really does like to try to control the club. Klopp would never allow this to happen, maybe it’d be better if Barca let him go & plan for life without him. He’s 33 & at this stage he controls the club, probably intimidates other players so they don’t express themselves on the pitch.

Messi is probably the greatest player ever but this kind of drama is not needed at a top club. If he wants to go then let him go & build for the future.

It happens with any key and legendary players. They have too big effects in their clubs but I agree that at the end of their career, their ambition and effects are negatively affect their clubs. Klopp always prioritise team-working and partially because his core tactic is gegenpressing that truly need team-working.

Quote from: dre1982 on August 28, 2020, 01:44:11 AM

Yep 700 million is way to much for such old player. Well 700 million is every player is way too much. Still don't get it why PSG paid 222 million for Neymar.

I can understand the cost at 700 million dollars when Messi was on his all time high form but now in his downside period, it is still at 700 million that sounds very unrealistic. Who can confirm that the cost is a fixed one or it is changed each year like his salary?

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on August 28, 2020, 04:48:03 AM

We’ve been here numerous times with Messi, I don’t think he’ll go but he really does like to try to control the club. Klopp would never allow this to happen, maybe it’d be better if Barca let him go & plan for life without him. He’s 33 & at this stage he controls the club, probably intimidates other players so they don’t express themselves on the pitch.

Messi is probably the greatest player ever but this kind of drama is not needed at a top club. If he wants to go then let him go & build for the future.

I agree with you, drama is not good for either of us, neither for the team nor for the player. Furthermore, change is always good.
Both to morale and to stimuli.

Even at work, changing allows you to accumulate an enormous amount of knowledge. Of course, this comes at a price. Not having roots (if you like).

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We’ve been here numerous times with Messi, I don’t think he’ll go but he really does like to try to control the club. Klopp would never allow this to happen, maybe it’d be better if Barca let him go & plan for life without him. He’s 33 & at this stage he controls the club, probably intimidates other players so they don’t express themselves on the pitch.

Messi is probably the greatest player ever but this kind of drama is not needed at a top club. If he wants to go then let him go & build for the future.

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Quote from: kassex on August 27, 2020, 05:58:40 AM

He will not go anywhere. Or simply will not let go. Too high a price will scare away potential buyers. Yes, and he wants to leave most likely to Guardiola. And Manchester City is under sanctions. So he will play in Barcelona for another year.

I don't know if this a fake quote or not,
but I read a post about his statement, that said he is not Cristiano Ronaldo, and he can't win big matches alone.
if this is true, I think he is not comfortable with the current situation in Barcelona.

also, this is 8 reason why he should leave Barcelona:
https://www.givemesport.com/1592282-lionel-messi-should-leave-barcelona-after-bayern-munich-defeat-eight-reasons-why

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Quote from: buwaytress on August 28, 2020, 02:22:41 AM

I didn't win... missed by one, but got the bet back as insurance (promo from Sportsbet).

I don't know if anyone hasn't heard of Messi and I feel awful for the guy, someone I've grown up with watching and had so many lifetimes of memories watching -- even if we did do him over when we defeated them last season's CL!

So sad but he deserves to be happy, that's all I can comment.

certainly no one is happy to know a great athlete -> sad
but from a certain point of view, the teams and their fans are happy to know that a very good player on the market Cheesy

anyone hoping their team will sign Messi

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Quote from: babo on August 27, 2020, 05:43:20 AM

congrats for the bet win!

Do you have heard of the abandonment of Messi from barcelona? he played a lifetime with them, but in the end he decided to move on.
Seems to be discontent with the club and with the coach.

certainly taking 10 goals must not be pleasant at all

I didn't win... missed by one, but got the bet back as insurance (promo from Sportsbet).

I don't know if anyone hasn't heard of Messi and I feel awful for the guy, someone I've grown up with watching and had so many lifetimes of memories watching -- even if we did do him over when we defeated them last season's CL!

So sad but he deserves to be happy, that's all I can comment.

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Quote from: kassex on August 28, 2020, 12:39:49 AM

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He will not go anywhere. Or simply will not let go. Too high a price will scare away potential buyers. Yes, and he wants to leave most likely to Guardiola. And Manchester City is under sanctions. So he will play in Barcelona for another year.

No one knows now even Messi. We need to wait Messi to cool down and see what will happen after that. Now, Messi is disappointed and his mood is not good. Barca is too weak recent seasons and they can not blame all things on Messi who carried them over many matches.

Do you notice and recognize what Messi did and brought Barca going through Napoli? Is it enough?

Quote from: babo on August 27, 2020, 05:43:20 AM

Do you have heard of the abandonment of Messi from barcelona? he played a lifetime with them, but in the end he decided to move on.
Seems to be discontent with the club and with the coach.

It is a very hot drama now in Catalan and the very likely lawsuit between Messi and Barca might occur too. The official contract shows Messi can leave before end of June but with the pandemic and the prolonged season, is the deadline expanded automatically? I don't know.

Messi made too much noise about his departure. And now he will not be able to leave. I think it will not come to trial. The amount of 200 million is more than enough for such a player.

Yep 700 million is way to much for such old player. Well 700 million is every player is way too much. Still don't get it why PSG paid 222 million for Neymar.

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Quote from: hd49728 on August 27, 2020, 09:40:06 AM

Quote from: kassex on August 27, 2020, 05:58:40 AM

He will not go anywhere. Or simply will not let go. Too high a price will scare away potential buyers. Yes, and he wants to leave most likely to Guardiola. And Manchester City is under sanctions. So he will play in Barcelona for another year.

No one knows now even Messi. We need to wait Messi to cool down and see what will happen after that. Now, Messi is disappointed and his mood is not good. Barca is too weak recent seasons and they can not blame all things on Messi who carried them over many matches.

Do you notice and recognize what Messi did and brought Barca going through Napoli? Is it enough?

Quote from: babo on August 27, 2020, 05:43:20 AM

Do you have heard of the abandonment of Messi from barcelona? he played a lifetime with them, but in the end he decided to move on.
Seems to be discontent with the club and with the coach.

It is a very hot drama now in Catalan and the very likely lawsuit between Messi and Barca might occur too. The official contract shows Messi can leave before end of June but with the pandemic and the prolonged season, is the deadline expanded automatically? I don't know.

Messi made too much noise about his departure. And now he will not be able to leave. I think it will not come to trial. The amount of 200 million is more than enough for such a player.

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Quote from: kassex on August 27, 2020, 05:58:40 AM

Quote from: babo on August 27, 2020, 05:43:20 AM

Quote from: buwaytress on August 26, 2020, 02:07:23 PM

Watching some of the games tonight, definitely not good for my health! I put a 5-leg parlays on slight favourites, and 4 have already finished, mostly by a hair's breadth! So I got Qarabag, Molde and Rapid Wien all winning by 1 goal, Maccabi Tel Aviv went on and romped 3-0, but I'm now sweating on Legia Warsaw who hasn't had a shot on target against Nicosia.

Was 17/1 for this parlay. Cashout option only giving me less than 5/1...

congrats for the bet win!

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Do you have heard of the abandonment of Messi from barcelona? he played a lifetime with them, but in the end he decided to move on.
Seems to be discontent with the club and with the coach.

certainly taking 10 goals must not be pleasant at all

He will not go anywhere. Or simply will not let go. Too high a price will scare away potential buyers. Yes, and he wants to leave most likely to Guardiola. And Manchester City is under sanctions. So he will play in Barcelona for another year.

Let's see if he can prove doubters wrong IF he leaves or not. Decision still pending but meantime all of a sudden everyone wants Messi to come to the team they support. Obviously just greats perceives greatness, majority of the individuals who have ever graced the grass know how extraordinarily Leo is.

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Quote from: kassex on August 27, 2020, 05:58:40 AM

He will not go anywhere. Or simply will not let go. Too high a price will scare away potential buyers. Yes, and he wants to leave most likely to Guardiola. And Manchester City is under sanctions. So he will play in Barcelona for another year.

No one knows now even Messi. We need to wait Messi to cool down and see what will happen after that. Now, Messi is disappointed and his mood is not good. Barca is too weak recent seasons and they can not blame all things on Messi who carried them over many matches.

Do you notice and recognize what Messi did and brought Barca going through Napoli? Is it enough?

Quote from: babo on August 27, 2020, 05:43:20 AM

Do you have heard of the abandonment of Messi from barcelona? he played a lifetime with them, but in the end he decided to move on.
Seems to be discontent with the club and with the coach.

It is a very hot drama now in Catalan and the very likely lawsuit between Messi and Barca might occur too. The official contract shows Messi can leave before end of June but with the pandemic and the prolonged season, is the deadline expanded automatically? I don't know.

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Quote from: babo on August 27, 2020, 05:43:20 AM

Quote from: buwaytress on August 26, 2020, 02:07:23 PM

Watching some of the games tonight, definitely not good for my health! I put a 5-leg parlays on slight favourites, and 4 have already finished, mostly by a hair's breadth! So I got Qarabag, Molde and Rapid Wien all winning by 1 goal, Maccabi Tel Aviv went on and romped 3-0, but I'm now sweating on Legia Warsaw who hasn't had a shot on target against Nicosia.

Was 17/1 for this parlay. Cashout option only giving me less than 5/1...

congrats for the bet win!

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Do you have heard of the abandonment of Messi from barcelona? he played a lifetime with them, but in the end he decided to move on.
Seems to be discontent with the club and with the coach.

certainly taking 10 goals must not be pleasant at all

He will not go anywhere. Or simply will not let go. Too high a price will scare away potential buyers. Yes, and he wants to leave most likely to Guardiola. And Manchester City is under sanctions. So he will play in Barcelona for another year.

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Quote from: buwaytress on August 26, 2020, 02:07:23 PM

Watching some of the games tonight, definitely not good for my health! I put a 5-leg parlays on slight favourites, and 4 have already finished, mostly by a hair's breadth! So I got Qarabag, Molde and Rapid Wien all winning by 1 goal, Maccabi Tel Aviv went on and romped 3-0, but I'm now sweating on Legia Warsaw who hasn't had a shot on target against Nicosia.

Was 17/1 for this parlay. Cashout option only giving me less than 5/1...

congrats for the bet win!

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Do you have heard of the abandonment of Messi from barcelona? he played a lifetime with them, but in the end he decided to move on.
Seems to be discontent with the club and with the coach.

certainly taking 10 goals must not be pleasant at all

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Quote from: Naida_BR on August 27, 2020, 03:06:38 AM

Congrats on your bet wins.
By reading your post I thought I was in a Europa League thread.
All those teams are not strong enough to play on the Champions League. I hope that stronger teams are going to win them on the next round in order to have strong groups in the regular season.

Guess you didn't really read my post or follow Champions League then. Qarabag's been in Champions League not so long ago, 2018, they were with Chelsea in the group stage, can't remember who else.

I didn't win either...

Quote from: leea-1334 on August 27, 2020, 03:07:11 AM

Just saw the results and sorry for you,,, you should have cashed out at 5/1! Went to 0-0 and then Nicosia won with 2 goals in extra time. It can be really hard to do this kind of result over and over that is why the odds are so high:)

I know, but I never cash out, it just feels wrong after doing so well to accept shittier odds I mean 5/1 when I was already up 10/1?

The red card changed everything for the Poles and it's their fault for not going more bravely for the win in the 1st half.

It's ok though, SB has a free insurance if you miss a 5-leg by 1. So I got my bet back!

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Quote from: buwaytress on August 26, 2020, 02:07:23 PM

Watching some of the games tonight, definitely not good for my health! I put a 5-leg parlays on slight favourites, and 4 have already finished, mostly by a hair's breadth! So I got Qarabag, Molde and Rapid Wien all winning by 1 goal, Maccabi Tel Aviv went on and romped 3-0, but I'm now sweating on Legia Warsaw who hasn't had a shot on target against Nicosia.

Was 17/1 for this parlay. Cashout option only giving me less than 5/1...

Just saw the results and sorry for you,,, you should have cashed out at 5/1! Went to 0-0 and then Nicosia won with 2 goals in extra time. It can be really hard to do this kind of result over and over that is why the odds are so high:)

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