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The 2022 World Cup will be held in Qatar in less than a year ...

That's wrong! The next World Cup will be held in Qatar in the winter of 2022, in December 2022 to be precise, so there is still a good year and a half to go before the World Cup and no less than a year. That would then also not work out in terms of scheduling, since the qualifying matches for the World Cup have only recently begun in many continents.

Whether boys posting before you tyz didn't pay attention to this detail or few are aware of the modification made for the schedule of World Cup 2022. Qatar and golf region in general = hell in summer but as hot in winter as Europe in the summer. So it will not be a pleasant experience for Europeans unlike Africans and South Americans.

Quote from: Ebede on July 15, 2021, 05:22:14 AM

What's your best Goal from the Euros 2020/2021??
Have got two in mind at the moment.
Firstly from the French Man Paul Pogba against Switzerland.
Secondly from the the Denmark team Mikkel Damsgaard beautiful free kick against England.

Ouep, I already selected 3 goals including this two Wink

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Quote from: Ebede on July 15, 2021, 05:03:12 AM

These are the qualities of a good defender despite it a foul should know when to take decisions,off the ball and with the ball,trust me Sergio Ramos will even do more than this.You can see that almost resulted to a goal,but great the tactically fouled Saka.
Mourinho is the best coach defensively so he'll definitely see nothing wrong with this decision Chiellini did.

There is a give and take to that situation and that is the risk a professional player takes. In that situation Chiellini could have seen a red card, it was a position where it could have been a proper goal, not guaranteed of course but there was a very high chance, so the ref could have given him a red card, which would have made the situation a lot worse because Italy would be playing 10 player from then out and that may have changed the result of the game big time.

This is why I believe that we should not praise his move, but also not condemn it neither, of course a defender would do everything to prevent a goal, unless that is a move that injuries another player and we all know there were nearly no injury risks with that move so I totally respect it, he realized he wasn't fast enough so he just yanked his shirt, as long as he didn't get a red card, that is a good move.

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Quote from: bitzizzix on July 15, 2021, 04:48:27 AM

The 2022 World Cup will be held in Qatar in less than a year ...

That's wrong! The next World Cup will be held in Qatar in the winter of 2022, in December 2022 to be precise, so there is still a good year and a half to go before the World Cup and no less than a year. That would then also not work out in terms of scheduling, since the qualifying matches for the World Cup have only recently begun in many continents.

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Quote from: Ebede on July 15, 2021, 05:03:12 AM

Mourinho is the best coach defensively so he'll definitely see nothing wrong with this decision Chiellini did.

He understands, he can no longer run fast to catch saka. He made the right decision, the Italian coach didn't take him wrong even though he was old. He made the right decision he also became a leader in Italy. But unfortunately may be his last age in world or European events.
Even I heard if he did not get a new contract extension with Juve for next season. But after EURO there will probably be many who are interested for 1 year.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 15, 2021, 05:20:45 AM

Is it Europe's fault that football is the most developed there?

No, football has developed quite well in Europe and that makes Europe one of the continent that has the best football among several other continent. I don't think that team on continent other than Europe are bad team, but Europe has fierce competition every season between participating team and it's too difficult for team from other continent to compete with team from Continental Europe (quality of players).

Quote from: KTChampions on July 15, 2021, 05:20:45 AM

I do not see any problems in such distortions - if other countries/regions want to be at the level of Europe, then they should develop football in their own country and not rely on quotas. I remember the times when in chess most of the strongest players were from Russia, but no one limited them when competing for the title of champion.

Europe is at the top level as one of the continent that has a myriad of top players and teams from each country. It will be difficult for team outside Europe to compete so it is natural for them to improve and develop football if they want to be competitor.

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It's a pity for the England team when they have the most potential and promising players. I still don't understand why Sterling, who wasn't outstanding, was crucified on the pitch for the remaining 120 minutes? Lol

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 15, 2021, 05:20:45 AM

Is it Europe's fault that football is the most developed there? I do not see any problems in such distortions - if other countries/regions want to be at the level of Europe, then they should develop football in their own country and not rely on quotas. I remember the times when in chess most of the strongest players were from Russia, but no one limited them when competing for the title of champion.

It is not a question of whether Europe invests in football or not.

If it's a World Cup, every country in the world has the right to participate. But it's impossible for everyone to enter the finals.

In this sense, it was divided by the continental football association, to make the proper classification of x of countries to enter the finals.

It may not be the fairest way, but it is the most balanced, to ensure the World Cup has participants from all continents.

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What's your best Goal from the Euros 2020/2021??
Have got two in mind at the moment.
Firstly from the French Man Paul Pogba against Switzerland.
Secondly from the the Denmark team Mikkel Damsgaard beautiful free kick against England.

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And by the way, for the same reason, many bettors love the European Championship more than the World Cup and America's Cup Wink

Pairs of teams are less random, and most importantly, they all have the same professional motivation, so you can make more confident bets than on teams that are happy that they just came to the championship.

They are different things, hard to compare.

Football in Europe has the best players and championships in the world. Even players from non-European nationalities, the best ones play in Europe.
It is in Europe where the biggest investment is made and where the most money is made.

A world cup cannot have only European countries and two or three from other continents. If not this would be another European, with extra countries. Even so, it's Europe that puts the most countries in the World Cup.

Is it Europe's fault that football is the most developed there? I do not see any problems in such distortions - if other countries/regions want to be at the level of Europe, then they should develop football in their own country and not rely on quotas. I remember the times when in chess most of the strongest players were from Russia, but no one limited them when competing for the title of champion.

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Quote from: Jackl87 on July 15, 2021, 04:30:51 AM

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The last World Cup in 2018 in Russia showed very well that European football has moved to the forefront of the world. Indeed, the teams from the countries of South America, which have always been the favorites of the world championships, performed poorly at that time. Therefore, the past European Championship can now be safely considered as a rehearsal for the 2022 World Cup, most likely the European team will be the winner.

I would say that european teams (both national and club teams) are dominating the world of football since 20 years now. If you look at the last 6 world cups, then you will see that we have 5 Winners from europe there with France (2x), Italy, Germany and Spain and only 1 team from south america with Brasil back in (2002) since then all the world cups were won by european teams. If you look before that, then yes the south american teams (Brasil and Argentina) were dominating back then with 5 cup wins out of 8 tournaments between 1958 and 1990 but those times are long gone.
I am pretty sure that this is because football is becoming more and more professional. It is no longer enough for Brazil to have the best young talent.

Just as the new FIFA are been put in place,the world is evolving as well,i see no reason why Brazil should have the best young talent,more serious minded lads coming up from different areas of the world.
I'm expecting an European side to take the World Cup still next year.

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Quote from: gabbie2010 on July 14, 2021, 04:44:39 PM

Link : https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1415325223168184324
This is hilarious and funny Mourinho endorsing the tactical foul on Saka by Chielliini in the EURO final match Chielliini used his wealth of experience to commit the foul when he missed the ball he didn't want to miss Saka, inexperience players would have escorted the pacy Saka till he enters the penalty area before committing the foul, the special one is fond of appreciating this kind of fouls I remembered when he was Inter Milan manager he encourages his defenders ruggedness towards their opponents and always adopt defensive style of play.

These are the qualities of a good defender despite it a foul should know when to take decisions,off the ball and with the ball,trust me Sergio Ramos will even do more than this.You can see that almost resulted to a goal,but great the tactically fouled Saka.
Mourinho is the best coach defensively so he'll definitely see nothing wrong with this decision Chiellini did.

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I don't see anything wrong with the fact that the weaker teams would compete at the qualifying stages and show everything they are capable of, and only the really strong would go to the final stage of the tournament. You have to agree that it is very illogical when in the final stage of the tournament there are several teams that are clearly much weaker than those teams that are not allowed in this round simply by quotas.
Doesn't this violate sporting principles?

I don't see anything wrong also but FIFA would give a chance to weaker teams to show their performance vs top teams. There was surprises sometimes. Imagine seeing Nation "where does it exist in this planet?" reaching advanced stage and the feeling of its people. I know it is unpleasant for most of us who want to see top teams fighting in late stages and not from the beginning. That's why many fans like way more EURO than World Cup Wink

The last World Cup in 2018 in Russia showed very well that European football has moved to the forefront of the world. Indeed, the teams from the countries of South America, which have always been the favorites of the world championships, performed poorly at that time. Therefore, the past European Championship can now be safely considered as a rehearsal for the 2022 World Cup, most likely the European team will be the winner.

The 2022 World Cup will be held in Qatar in less than a year and I think a strong country candidate will come from Europe and be dominated by victory in every game, and that doesn't mean American team is not good, just most European teams will dominate in every round .
and besides that there are many European teams that are not at all seeded but can turn things around and if we meet America I think it will be easy to win or draw if they play with good teams like Argentina, Brazil or others.

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Quote from: delfastTions on July 15, 2021, 04:01:10 AM

The last World Cup in 2018 in Russia showed very well that European football has moved to the forefront of the world. Indeed, the teams from the countries of South America, which have always been the favorites of the world championships, performed poorly at that time. Therefore, the past European Championship can now be safely considered as a rehearsal for the 2022 World Cup, most likely the European team will be the winner.

I would say that european teams (both national and club teams) are dominating the world of football since 20 years now. If you look at the last 6 world cups, then you will see that we have 5 Winners from europe there with France (2x), Italy, Germany and Spain and only 1 team from south america with Brasil back in (2002) since then all the world cups were won by european teams. If you look before that, then yes the south american teams (Brasil and Argentina) were dominating back then with 5 cup wins out of 8 tournaments between 1958 and 1990 but those times are long gone.
I am pretty sure that this is because football is becoming more and more professional. It is no longer enough for Brazil to have the best young talent.

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Quote from: snipie on July 14, 2021, 02:51:49 PM

Quote from: KTChampions on July 14, 2021, 09:15:38 AM

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I don't see anything wrong with the fact that the weaker teams would compete at the qualifying stages and show everything they are capable of, and only the really strong would go to the final stage of the tournament. You have to agree that it is very illogical when in the final stage of the tournament there are several teams that are clearly much weaker than those teams that are not allowed in this round simply by quotas.
Doesn't this violate sporting principles?

I don't see anything wrong also but FIFA would give a chance to weaker teams to show their performance vs top teams. There was surprises sometimes. Imagine seeing Nation "where does it exist in this planet?" reaching advanced stage and the feeling of its people. I know it is unpleasant for most of us who want to see top teams fighting in late stages and not from the beginning. That's why many fans like way more EURO than World Cup Wink

The last World Cup in 2018 in Russia showed very well that European football has moved to the forefront of the world. Indeed, the teams from the countries of South America, which have always been the favorites of the world championships, performed poorly at that time. Therefore, the past European Championship can now be safely considered as a rehearsal for the 2022 World Cup, most likely the European team will be the winner.

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Quote from: hahay on July 15, 2021, 03:44:59 AM

I think it's a luck factor, because if the opponent he's facing isn't Ghana and the opponent he's facing is a better team like Argentina or Brazil then still, sacrificing a red card the result will still be a goal on a penalty kick. In contrast to Chiellini who committed the offense, who was still far from the penalty area, so even though he got a card, Chiellini would still be safe because he only got a yellow card. I personally don't really like stopping the opponent's movement in this way, because for me it's still a dirty way but yes I admit it is a game and everything will certainly have risks and violations that will be given by the referee.

Chiellini is a very experienced player, he would not have allowed a red card in this episode. The violation was in the center of the field and he violated without undue rigidity, pulled over the shirt, without hitting the legs and or the like. In this situation, it was impossible to play differently, everything was done correctly.

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Quote from: gabbie2010 on July 14, 2021, 04:44:39 PM

https://i.imgur.com/kbM154s.jpg
Link : https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1415325223168184324
This is hilarious and funny Mourinho endorsing the tactical foul on Saka by Chielliini in the EURO final match Chielliini used his wealth of experience to commit the foul when he missed the ball he didn't want to miss Saka, inexperience players would have escorted the pacy Saka till he enters the penalty area before committing the foul, the special one is fond of appreciating this kind of fouls I remembered when he was Inter Milan manager he encourages his defenders ruggedness towards their opponents and always adopt defensive style of play.

Chiellini fault was a clever move from an experienced player and every professional coach / players know that. Rather getting a yellow card and prevent a risky attack than crying later. Some players don't mind risking a red card and give their opponent a penalty than letting them score. Just remember what Suarez did in 2010 World Cup, got a red, gave Ghana a penalty which was missed and he was the hero of the nation that night Wink

I think it's a luck factor, because if the opponent he's facing isn't Ghana and the opponent he's facing is a better team like Argentina or Brazil then still, sacrificing a red card the result will still be a goal on a penalty kick. In contrast to Chiellini who committed the offense, who was still far from the penalty area, so even though he got a card, Chiellini would still be safe because he only got a yellow card. I personally don't really like stopping the opponent's movement in this way, because for me it's still a dirty way but yes I admit it is a game and everything will certainly have risks and violations that will be given by the referee.

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Quote from: gabbie2010 on July 14, 2021, 04:44:39 PM

https://i.imgur.com/kbM154s.jpg
Link : https://twitter.com/ESPNFC/status/1415325223168184324
This is hilarious and funny Mourinho endorsing the tactical foul on Saka by Chielliini in the EURO final match Chielliini used his wealth of experience to commit the foul when he missed the ball he didn't want to miss Saka, inexperience players would have escorted the pacy Saka till he enters the penalty area before committing the foul, the special one is fond of appreciating this kind of fouls I remembered when he was Inter Milan manager he encourages his defenders ruggedness towards their opponents and always adopt defensive style of play.

Chiellini fault was a clever move from an experienced player and every professional coach / players know that. Rather getting a yellow card and prevent a risky attack than crying later. Some players don't mind risking a red card and give their opponent a penalty than letting them score. Just remember what Suarez did in 2010 World Cup, got a red, gave Ghana a penalty which was missed and he was the hero of the nation that night Wink

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Quote from: snipie on July 14, 2021, 02:51:49 PM

I don't see anything wrong also but FIFA would give a chance to weaker teams to show their performance vs top teams. There was surprises sometimes. Imagine seeing Nation "where does it exist in this planet?" reaching advanced stage and the feeling of its people. I know it is unpleasant for most of us who want to see top teams fighting in late stages and not from the beginning. That's why many fans like way more EURO than World Cup Wink

FIFA's aim is to spread football to every nook and corner of the world, and that is the reason why they recently increased the number of teams in the world cup from 32 to 48. UEFA can afford to have 24 teams in the group stage, because there is no "weak" team there. Smaller European teams such as North Macedonia recently scored upsets against giant teams such as Germany. Those who argue that "weak" teams should not compete in such tournaments should stop watching football, because their demands doesn't make any sense.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 14, 2021, 09:15:38 AM

I don't see anything wrong with the fact that the weaker teams would compete at the qualifying stages and show everything they are capable of, and only the really strong would go to the final stage of the tournament. You have to agree that it is very illogical when in the final stage of the tournament there are several teams that are clearly much weaker than those teams that are not allowed in this round simply by quotas.
Doesn't this violate sporting principles?

I don't see anything wrong also but FIFA would give a chance to weaker teams to show their performance vs top teams. There was surprises sometimes. Imagine seeing Nation "where does it exist in this planet?" reaching advanced stage and the feeling of its people. I know it is unpleasant for most of us who want to see top teams fighting in late stages and not from the beginning. That's why many fans like way more EURO than World Cup Wink

It's just that two principles collide here, when I would like as much coverage as possible in geographical terms, but at the same time, all the strongest teams should participate. It is impossible to combine all this perfectly, so we have to make compromises when certain quotas are allocated to the continents and the national teams of countries are selected already within these quotas. Of course, you can expand the number of participants by adding new teams, which UEFA and FIFA have been doing recently, but you should not do it indefinitely, because it destroys the integrity of the tournament and its prestige. On the other hand, a larger number of national teams allows you not to leave out sufficiently strong national teams that have not passed the selection. In any case, the formula for holding competitions is not a rigid system and only life itself and the audience's interest shows the correctness of the decisions made.

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 14, 2021, 04:45:07 PM

And by the way, for the same reason, many bettors love the European Championship more than the World Cup and America's Cup Wink

Pairs of teams are less random, and most importantly, they all have the same professional motivation, so you can make more confident bets than on teams that are happy that they just came to the championship.

They are different things, hard to compare.

Football in Europe has the best players and championships in the world. Even players from non-European nationalities, the best ones play in Europe.
It is in Europe where the biggest investment is made and where the most money is made.

A world cup cannot have only European countries and two or three from other continents. If not this would be another European, with extra countries. Even so, it's Europe that puts the most countries in the World Cup.

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