⚽UEFA EURO 2020 Discussion Thread | Current Phase: Finals in June 2021! - page 2.

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Quote from: virasog on July 16, 2021, 12:19:07 PM

Italy may be in good form but not to forget that in the world cup there will be many strong South American teams like Argentina and brazil (we cannot ignore them even though their recent form is questionable). Also its rare to see any team winning both the Euro and World cup at the same time.

Anyone who has watched both the Copa America and Euro Cup this month would agree that the former competition had more quality. This time, I found the performance from the European teams somewhat disappointing. Many of the teams went with individual-specific strategies and lacked team cohesion. On the other hand, the matches in Copa America (even at the group stage) were fiercely contested and the team bonding and coordination was exceptional for the majority of the teams that took part.

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Life could be so boring after the competition, sometimes, it just feels as though it isn't enough you know. Like there should be more competitions for athletes to compete at and by that, I mean football competition but then, it just can't be as these athletes needs a time out too. A time to be off the pitch and live life with little restrictions, having fun with the family.

Sooner or latter, the games would come up again and this time, with lots of new players in various teams and leagues to spice up things a little more. Can't wait to be glued to my TV onces more. EPL in few weeks and again, a big congrats to Italy, they did my proud with England.

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on July 16, 2021, 07:01:44 AM

I think this Italian win will be the start of a dominant period for them. I think they must be up there for favorites of the world cup along with Brazil too.

As much as the world would like to see these guys win, these competitions tend to leave out the favourites off the podium

Quote from: AverageGlabella on July 16, 2021, 07:01:44 AM

If France can get their act together they might be in the running for it too but I can't see that happening since they are a team full of individuals and not a functioning team.

Not that am arguing but Sometimes it's individual effort that wins games and it's up to France to find what works best for them because they have a quality time and I would root for them to win.

Quote from: AverageGlabella on July 16, 2021, 07:01:44 AM

Italy just seem to have it all and are a great defensive team under pressure which is needed to win the big games.

Agreed. For the Euros they did put up a good show but those draws are dangerous match deciders, if they are to win bigger competitions they need to start winning games inside open play and also practice more on penalties.

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By the way, don't you think its time that we lock this thread as Euro 2020 is over and we have the results.

Yes you are right , the Thread and topic should be locked now from the OP as its over now !
There was a lot of nice and great discussions in here .

So i guess we see us all sooner or later in the next coming event next year here in this Thread ⚽ FIFA World Cup 2022: Qualifying Games For Qatar

We had a wonderful one month full of action and thrill. I really miss those evenings when we sit in front of the tv and watch our favorite teams performance. Those were the memorable days where we got a lot of entertainment after a long duration of pandemic.

Those moments were good moments we had,and for some times to come,we won't see those moments to watch our countries perform again in that tournament.Thank God for the kickoff of new seasons soon,our favourite teams will play, and we will be enthusiastic about their performances. Welcome back premier league.

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Quote from: Lafu on July 16, 2021, 08:15:37 AM

Quote from: JohnBitCo on July 16, 2021, 07:24:38 AM

By the way, don't you think its time that we lock this thread as Euro 2020 is over and we have the results.

Yes you are right , the Thread and topic should be locked now from the OP as its over now !
There was a lot of nice and great discussions in here .

So i guess we see us all sooner or later in the next coming event next year here in this Thread ⚽ FIFA World Cup 2022: Qualifying Games For Qatar

We had a wonderful one month full of action and thrill. I really miss those evenings when we sit in front of the tv and watch our favorite teams performance. Those were the memorable days where we got a lot of entertainment after a long duration of pandemic.

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These are the qualities of a good defender despite it a foul should know when to take decisions,off the ball and with the ball,trust me Sergio Ramos will even do more than this.You can see that almost resulted to a goal,but great the tactically fouled Saka.
Mourinho is the best coach defensively so he'll definitely see nothing wrong with this decision Chiellini did.

He did nothing wrong. He knows it is only a yellow card.
Is the same thing when defenders fault an attacker in an open field situation.

We seed dozens of these faults every week in the leagues.

Correct, knowing when to give a foul and when not to do so and when to give out your yellow card are important qualities for a defender, many times I have seen defenders receive a yellow card over something dumb like saying something to the referee or by committing a foul on the middle of the field when there was no risk at all that I wonder what they were thinking? That foul was necessary, he made a mistake by losing his position and he was not about to make another one by letting the English player have an opportunity at scoring a goal and winning the game.

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on July 16, 2021, 07:01:44 AM

I think this Italian win will be the start of a dominant period for them. I think they must be up there for favorites of the world cup along with Brazil too. If France can get their act together they might be in the running for it too but I can't see that happening since they are a team full of individuals and not a functioning team. Mbappe takes the attention away from that with his ability but without him they wouldn't be a very good team. Italy just seem to have it all and are a great defensive team under pressure which is needed to win the big games.

Of course it's a good capital for Italy, but I don't think Italy will be able to maintain that achievement for the world cup but indeed, to reach the semi-finals or maybe the final, I think it's still possible but for the champions I still have doubts for now. Also, I'm not sure about Brazil as you said, considering if the squad they have is like the Copa America, I don't think it's the best squad for Brazil, so it's difficult to appear further in the world cup later. But regarding France, of course this EURO will be a big lesson for their squad and I'm sure France will be able to improve on that and can play with more teamwork and not about individuals.

Italy may be in good form but not to forget that in the world cup there will be many strong South American teams like Argentina and brazil (we cannot ignore them even though their recent form is questionable). Also its rare to see any team winning both the Euro and World cup at the same time.

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Quote from: AverageGlabella on July 16, 2021, 07:01:44 AM

I think this Italian win will be the start of a dominant period for them. I think they must be up there for favorites of the world cup along with Brazil too. If France can get their act together they might be in the running for it too but I can't see that happening since they are a team full of individuals and not a functioning team. Mbappe takes the attention away from that with his ability but without him they wouldn't be a very good team. Italy just seem to have it all and are a great defensive team under pressure which is needed to win the big games.

Of course it's a good capital for Italy, but I don't think Italy will be able to maintain that achievement for the world cup but indeed, to reach the semi-finals or maybe the final, I think it's still possible but for the champions I still have doubts for now. Also, I'm not sure about Brazil as you said, considering if the squad they have is like the Copa America, I don't think it's the best squad for Brazil, so it's difficult to appear further in the world cup later. But regarding France, of course this EURO will be a big lesson for their squad and I'm sure France will be able to improve on that and can play with more teamwork and not about individuals.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on July 16, 2021, 07:24:38 AM

By the way, don't you think its time that we lock this thread as Euro 2020 is over and we have the results.

Yes you are right , the Thread and topic should be locked now from the OP as its over now !
There was a lot of nice and great discussions in here .

So i guess we see us all sooner or later in the next coming event next year here in this Thread ⚽ FIFA World Cup 2022: Qualifying Games For Qatar

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Quote from: marine4u on July 15, 2021, 10:25:00 AM

It's a pity for the England team when they have the most potential and promising players. I still don't understand why Sterling, who wasn't outstanding, was crucified on the pitch for the remaining 120 minutes? Lol

Yes they were the favourite in the game but they lacked the initiative after scoring a goal they pushed back in the defence and that is a mistake many clubs do especially when they have quality players i do not know if its the manager order or not but clearly that was a mistake and adding to that a poor choice in players for the penalties shootout choosing players who entered in the last minute of the game for the critical final two penalties is southgate mistake and he is partially to blame.

Nobody is to be blamed for England's lost,they all tried their best,it wasn't just their turn.Nobody was nominated to play the penalties,they indicated they will play by raising up their hands. I know England deserved to win,but experience was what matters in such finals like that.Italy squad is packed with experience people,but England used their young players.

I agree with you. Most of the players in Italy's squad is experienced. They know well what they have to do on which time. But, many players of England's team are youngester. There is no doubt that they play well, but experience is needed to win a match like the final. England have not won a tournament final in a long time. So the players in this match were a bit more excited and under stress. It is very difficult for young players to cope with stress.

England played good football but Italy performance was much better than England. England will take this as an experience for them and will come back more strongly in next Euro.
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By the way, don't you think its time that we lock this thread as Euro 2020 is over and we have the results.

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I think this Italian win will be the start of a dominant period for them. I think they must be up there for favorites of the world cup along with Brazil too. If France can get their act together they might be in the running for it too but I can't see that happening since they are a team full of individuals and not a functioning team. Mbappe takes the attention away from that with his ability but without him they wouldn't be a very good team. Italy just seem to have it all and are a great defensive team under pressure which is needed to win the big games.

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a few days ago Argentine media, Diario Ole put forward the idea of holding a match between the champions of the Copa America (Argentina) and the champions of the Euro (Italy), if this could happen it would certainly be a very interesting match to watch, because we will see how the teams from different continents will display different styles of football, and the match will be like the Club World Cup, which indeed brings together the champion league winner with the uefa league winner so far.
In your opinion, if the match happened, who would be the winner?

I think Italy won!
It wasn't even a question of Argentina having bad players. The point is that Italy, they play as a team and tactically are far superior. Know when to attack - and attack well. He knows when to defend - and defends well. As already mentioned, at this moment the great countries of Europe win over those of Latin America.

Regardless of the outcome of the match, of course we hope that the match will provide entertainment for us in the current pandemic era, Argentina, which is famous for its playing style, combines football games from close-control dribbles, shoulder drops, to rapid changes in the direction of the ball beatifful (Gambetta), of course, will get a commensurate opponent from Italy because the two team styles of play are very different, and the Italian style of play, which often plays defensively and relies on counterattacks (Catenaccio), of course with the opposite style of play between the two teams. make the match very interesting to watch later.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on July 15, 2021, 07:06:56 PM

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Quote from: marine4u on July 15, 2021, 10:25:00 AM

It's a pity for the England team when they have the most potential and promising players. I still don't understand why Sterling, who wasn't outstanding, was crucified on the pitch for the remaining 120 minutes? Lol

Yes they were the favourite in the game but they lacked the initiative after scoring a goal they pushed back in the defence and that is a mistake many clubs do especially when they have quality players i do not know if its the manager order or not but clearly that was a mistake and adding to that a poor choice in players for the penalties shootout choosing players who entered in the last minute of the game for the critical final two penalties is southgate mistake and he is partially to blame.

Nobody is to be blamed for England's lost,they all tried their best,it wasn't just their turn.Nobody was nominated to play the penalties,they indicated they will play by raising up their hands. I know England deserved to win,but experience was what matters in such finals like that.Italy squad is packed with experience people,but England used their young players.

I agree with you. Most of the players in Italy's squad is experienced. They know well what they have to do on which time. But, many players of England's team are youngester. There is no doubt that they play well, but experience is needed to win a match like the final. England have not won a tournament final in a long time. So the players in this match were a bit more excited and under stress. It is very difficult for young players to cope with stress.

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Is it Europe's fault that football is the most developed there? I do not see any problems in such distortions - if other countries/regions want to be at the level of Europe, then they should develop football in their own country and not rely on quotas. I remember the times when in chess most of the strongest players were from Russia, but no one limited them when competing for the title of champion.

It is not a question of whether Europe invests in football or not.

If it's a World Cup, every country in the world has the right to participate. But it's impossible for everyone to enter the finals.

In this sense, it was divided by the continental football association, to make the proper classification of x of countries to enter the finals.

It may not be the fairest way, but it is the most balanced, to ensure the World Cup has participants from all continents.

I know perfectly well the format of the tournament and the reason for its existence. This format has both pros and cons, and we can probably accept the existing formula as more or less balanced, but there are other ulterior motives for the ongoing expansion of teams from all over the world in the final part. This is corruption. Football officials are kind of bribing countries with a small national team strength with these format changes, because their votes in FIFA are no different from those of countries where football is highly developed. I don't think it will lead to anything good.

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Quote from: Lordhermes on July 15, 2021, 07:06:56 PM

Nobody is to be blamed for England's lost,they all tried their best,it wasn't just their turn.Nobody was nominated to play the penalties,they indicated they will play by raising up their hands. I know England deserved to win,but experience was what matters in such finals like that.Italy squad is packed with experience people,but England used their young players.

The three who missed the penalties (Marcus Rushford, Jadon Sancho, and Bukayo Saka) came up to take the penalties, because they wanted to be the heroes. After they missed the penalties and started receiving criticism from the fans, they started playing the race card. If either Harry Kane or Kieran Trippier had missed them, then they too would have faced the same treatment from the fans. But these guys just want to avoid criticism by using the race card. The fans criticize them for missing the penalties, and not for their race. For how long they can use excuses like this?

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Quote from: marine4u on July 15, 2021, 10:25:00 AM

It's a pity for the England team when they have the most potential and promising players. I still don't understand why Sterling, who wasn't outstanding, was crucified on the pitch for the remaining 120 minutes? Lol

Yes they were the favourite in the game but they lacked the initiative after scoring a goal they pushed back in the defence and that is a mistake many clubs do especially when they have quality players i do not know if its the manager order or not but clearly that was a mistake and adding to that a poor choice in players for the penalties shootout choosing players who entered in the last minute of the game for the critical final two penalties is southgate mistake and he is partially to blame.

Nobody is to be blamed for England's lost,they all tried their best,it wasn't just their turn.Nobody was nominated to play the penalties,they indicated they will play by raising up their hands. I know England deserved to win,but experience was what matters in such finals like that.Italy squad is packed with experience people,but England used their young players.

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Quote from: marine4u on July 15, 2021, 10:25:00 AM

It's a pity for the England team when they have the most potential and promising players. I still don't understand why Sterling, who wasn't outstanding, was crucified on the pitch for the remaining 120 minutes? Lol

Sterling was penalized in the box at least once, and it never got called, that would likely have given the Brits a second goal and match would have been over in 90 minutes. It was definitely a spat of bad luck for England. Italy is obviously going to play well, it's Italy after all, but England was the better team leading into the Final, and I think they played better during the match as well.

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Quote from: marine4u on July 15, 2021, 10:25:00 AM

It's a pity for the England team when they have the most potential and promising players. I still don't understand why Sterling, who wasn't outstanding, was crucified on the pitch for the remaining 120 minutes? Lol

Yes they were the favourite in the game but they lacked the initiative after scoring a goal they pushed back in the defence and that is a mistake many clubs do especially when they have quality players i do not know if its the manager order or not but clearly that was a mistake and adding to that a poor choice in players for the penalties shootout choosing players who entered in the last minute of the game for the critical final two penalties is southgate mistake and he is partially to blame.

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Quote from: Ebede on July 15, 2021, 05:03:12 AM

These are the qualities of a good defender despite it a foul should know when to take decisions,off the ball and with the ball,trust me Sergio Ramos will even do more than this.You can see that almost resulted to a goal,but great the tactically fouled Saka.
Mourinho is the best coach defensively so he'll definitely see nothing wrong with this decision Chiellini did.

He did nothing wrong. He knows it is only a yellow card.
Is the same thing when defenders fault an attacker in an open field situation.

We seed dozens of these faults every week in the leagues.

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The last World Cup in 2018 in Russia showed very well that European football has moved to the forefront of the world. Indeed, the teams from the countries of South America, which have always been the favorites of the world championships, performed poorly at that time. Therefore, the past European Championship can now be safely considered as a rehearsal for the 2022 World Cup, most likely the European team will be the winner.

I would say that european teams (both national and club teams) are dominating the world of football since 20 years now. If you look at the last 6 world cups, then you will see that we have 5 Winners from europe there with France (2x), Italy, Germany and Spain and only 1 team from south america with Brasil back in (2002) since then all the world cups were won by european teams. If you look before that, then yes the south american teams (Brasil and Argentina) were dominating back then with 5 cup wins out of 8 tournaments between 1958 and 1990 but those times are long gone.
I am pretty sure that this is because football is becoming more and more professional. It is no longer enough for Brazil to have the best young talent.

I think that what happened is that the business model for South American teams has changed, in the past they exported players but they were finished products so not only they had a lot of talent but they refined the players and sold their rights for a high price, but now they sell very young players with lots of talent but that were not completely developed and did not finished this process until they were in Europe, this has lead the European teams to learn how to develop their own players better while at the same time the South American players have problems adjusting with the style they are asked to play for their national teams, and what better example of this than Messi himself.

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