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Quote from: snipie on July 14, 2021, 06:36:00 AM

Nah Brazil is better than Argentina, that defeat in the final game doesn't mean Argentina is the best team there. Argentina got hard moments advancing to the final game against way weaker team. In fact, current Argentina will not get a chance against any top European team. At the opposite Brazil will be hard to defeat by most. I would say Italy and France would be the ones that can compete Brazil.

I agree. And it's a pity that the bastard corrupt officials from FIFA turned the World Cup into something incomprehensible. I understand that teams like Saudi Arabia or Australia and their fans are pleased with the presence at the World Championships, but this lowers the average strength of this championship, plus many strong national teams (especially from Europe) do not get there.
In ideal conditions, we would see tough competition between these strongest teams, but in fact we see a miserable tournament at the group stage + some really interesting playoff matches.

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Quote from: W Jr. on July 14, 2021, 08:22:46 AM

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Quote from: babo on July 14, 2021, 04:16:26 AM

brazil is the strongest team in the world, currently I think it is the number 1 overall

Why is Brazil the strongest?
He hasn't won tests for years. It ended up losing to Argentina. Being number 2 in the ranking does not mean that it is the best.

The current Brazil, I think it lost to any great European national team.

Brazil still seems like the best to us, as we have always seen it as very strong. There is no old strong Brazil. There is no legendary Brazil with legendary players like Ronaldo Nazario, Ronaldinho de Asis, Cafu. Any European country can beat Brazil. I still remember the match where Germany beat Brazil 7-1.

European teams can easily beat any of the teams participating in the Copa America. If Brazil or Argentina also play against a team like Denmark then maybe the match will be a draw, otherwise they will lose. The European teams have improved themselves as much as possible. The American teams have become so weak.

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Quote from: babo on July 14, 2021, 04:16:26 AM

brazil is the strongest team in the world, currently I think it is the number 1 overall

Why is Brazil the strongest?
He hasn't won tests for years. It ended up losing to Argentina. Being number 2 in the ranking does not mean that it is the best.

The current Brazil, I think it lost to any great European national team.

Brazil still seems like the best to us, as we have always seen it as very strong. There is no old strong Brazil. There is no legendary Brazil with legendary players like Ronaldo Nazario, Ronaldinho de Asis, Cafu. Any European country can beat Brazil. I still remember the match where Germany beat Brazil 7-1.

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Quote from: ChiBitCTy on July 13, 2021, 11:29:15 AM

I am not a huge soccer ( sorry, football ) fan but when it comes to tourney time whether it's UEFA or Champions League or whatever, then I find it pretty fun and entertaining to watch. Being that my family traveled over on the preverbal boat from Italy 2 generations ago, I always room for team Italia and put a few shekels on the game. I really had no idea who would win but thought it would be fun to bet it anyway. What an exciting game!!

I wouldn't call myself a big football fan either. I've never really gone to stadiums to watch, not that we have nice games here but even if national games happen I won't buy a ticket. I'm fine watching Barca on tv, even if they come here to visit I doubt I'd go and look for them.

Congrats to Italia, you get to see them again in Olympics;)

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Quote from: joker_josue on July 13, 2021, 04:02:00 PM

And because football lives on goals, and this Euro 2020 had enough, the opportunity for fans to vote on the ones they liked the most arrived.

UEFA lists the competition's top 10 goals and everyone can vote.

Review the goals and vote here: https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/video/goal-of-the-tournament/

Call me biased, but Modrić's goal against Scotland takes my vote. Nothing more beautiful in football than outside of the foot screamers.

Insigne's goal against Belgium 2nd best, followed by Schick's goal against Scotland. Poor Scotland, everybody scored great goals against them Grin

Pogba's goal against Switzerland and Yarmolenko's vs Netherlands deserve mention as well.

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Quote from: joker_josue on July 14, 2021, 06:25:54 AM

Quote from: babo on July 14, 2021, 04:16:26 AM

brazil is the strongest team in the world, currently I think it is the number 1 overall

Why is Brazil the strongest?
He hasn't won tests for years. It ended up losing to Argentina. Being number 2 in the ranking does not mean that it is the best.

The current Brazil, I think it lost to any great European national team.

Nah Brazil is better than Argentina, that defeat in the final game doesn't mean Argentina is the best team there. Argentina got hard moments advancing to the final game against way weaker team. In fact, current Argentina will not get a chance against any top European team. At the opposite Brazil will be hard to defeat by most. I would say Italy and France would be the ones that can compete Brazil.

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Quote from: babo on July 14, 2021, 04:16:26 AM

brazil is the strongest team in the world, currently I think it is the number 1 overall

Why is Brazil the strongest?
He hasn't won tests for years. It ended up losing to Argentina. Being number 2 in the ranking does not mean that it is the best.

The current Brazil, I think it lost to any great European national team.

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Quote from: blue Snow on July 13, 2021, 09:30:47 PM

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With the win of the Euro Cup, Italy reached rank 4 FIFA for clus.

Seems, FIFA website still didn't update, I saw Italy on the 7th number.

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IDk how Belgium can still be the number one since they never won anything in their lives and always lost earlier in big tournaments.

That is a lot of critic about FIFA since 1992, because of that, the other statistician creates the alternative table and stat. such; https://www.eloratings.net/ and etc. Belgium still has the best points, just 12 different points from Brazil, while Italy as EURO champions in 3rd position adding 123 points for the champion.

this site said.. belgium vs brazil.. win belgium!?
looool

sorry if I'm skeptical, but it seems highly unlikely...

brazil is the strongest team in the world, currently I think it is the number 1 overall

for many reasons, number of people, people's passion for football, number of poor kids who want redemption

it is not constant in return, but I would not bet on Belgium

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Quote from: joker_josue on July 13, 2021, 04:02:00 PM

And because football lives on goals, and this Euro 2020 had enough, the opportunity for fans to vote on the ones they liked the most arrived.

UEFA lists the competition's top 10 goals and everyone can vote.

Review the goals and vote here: https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/video/goal-of-the-tournament/

My favorite goal is Patrick Schick's goal against Scotland. A great shoot, scored from a great distance. I'm so lucky to watch it live. Second was the goal scored by Andriy Yarmolenko, which I liked.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on July 13, 2021, 11:47:02 PM

@Sithara007 you’re absolutely correct as FIFA did change the ranking system in 2018, but yet I find it difficult to see Belgium on the top because unless they win a major tournament they don’t deserve to be on the top. Also I do acknowledge that they had a good winning streak, but if they keep failing in the tournaments then they’ll lose that spot very fast.

As far as I know, the FIFA points system doesn't give special weightage to tournament finals. If Belgium is playing against Italy in the final of a major tournament like Euro 2020, that match will have the same amount of weightage as as a group match between these two sides. In a sense, that is the right thing to do. Why should a final match have more importance when compared to other matches? Personally, I feel that Belgium doesn't deserve a place at the top. I would say Argentina, Brazil or Italy deserves it more.

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Quote from: blue Snow on July 13, 2021, 09:30:47 PM

Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 13, 2021, 07:23:32 PM

With the win of the Euro Cup, Italy reached rank 4 FIFA for clus.

Seems, FIFA website still didn't update, I saw Italy on the 7th number.

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IDk how Belgium can still be the number one since they never won anything in their lives and always lost earlier in big tournaments.

That is a lot of critic about FIFA since 1992, because of that, the other statistician creates the alternative table and stat. such; https://www.eloratings.net/ and etc. Belgium still has the best points, just 12 different points from Brazil, while Italy as EURO champions in 3rd position adding 123 points for the champion.

I think this has its explanation, not only in the general classification, but also in the club classification, in the coaches classification, that is due to the covid-19 pandemic, although it is a statistic that does not seem very difficult to execute, I think that the managers must take their time well for the correct records, in part I see this as an act of responsibility and professionalism, it is like having character and respect for football.

Source: https://www.clubworldranking.com/

Everything is a matter of waiting, for now if the statistics have not been updated it must be because the data has not been collected with total efficiency.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 13, 2021, 11:10:22 PM

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With the win of the Euro Cup, Italy reached rank 4 FIFA for clus.
IDk how Belgium can still be the number one since they never won anything in their lives and always lost earlier in big tournaments.

Maybe they need to change the formula for points...

FIFA has changed the ranking criteria in the past, to make it more accurate. The one we have now was devised after a lot of research and analysis and I don't think that there is any issue in the way the points are calculated. Belgium remains at the top, because they have won matches regularly against other top ranking teams, with big margins. Before the defeat against Italy in Euro 2021, their last defeat came against England in October 2020. It was an unbeaten run for 9 months in a row. During this period, they defeated England (2-0), Denmark (4-2), and Portugal (1-0).

@Sithara007 you’re absolutely correct as FIFA did change the ranking system in 2018, but yet I find it difficult to see Belgium on the top because unless they win a major tournament they don’t deserve to be on the top. Also I do acknowledge that they had a good winning streak, but if they keep failing in the tournaments then they’ll lose that spot very fast.

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 13, 2021, 07:23:32 PM

With the win of the Euro Cup, Italy reached rank 4 FIFA for clus.
IDk how Belgium can still be the number one since they never won anything in their lives and always lost earlier in big tournaments.

Maybe they need to change the formula for points...

FIFA has changed the ranking criteria in the past, to make it more accurate. The one we have now was devised after a lot of research and analysis and I don't think that there is any issue in the way the points are calculated. Belgium remains at the top, because they have won matches regularly against other top ranking teams, with big margins. Before the defeat against Italy in Euro 2021, their last defeat came against England in October 2020. It was an unbeaten run for 9 months in a row. During this period, they defeated England (2-0), Denmark (4-2), and Portugal (1-0).

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Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 13, 2021, 07:23:32 PM

With the win of the Euro Cup, Italy reached rank 4 FIFA for clus.

Seems, FIFA website still didn't update, I saw Italy on the 7th number.

Quote from: coinlocket$ on July 13, 2021, 07:23:32 PM

IDk how Belgium can still be the number one since they never won anything in their lives and always lost earlier in big tournaments.

That is a lot of critic about FIFA since 1992, because of that, the other statistician creates the alternative table and stat. such; https://www.eloratings.net/ and etc. Belgium still has the best points, just 12 different points from Brazil, while Italy as EURO champions in 3rd position adding 123 points for the champion.

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Quote from: joker_josue on July 13, 2021, 04:02:00 PM

And because football lives on goals, and this Euro 2020 had enough, the opportunity for fans to vote on the ones they liked the most arrived.

UEFA lists the competition's top 10 goals and everyone can vote.

Review the goals and vote here: https://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro-2020/video/goal-of-the-tournament/

Those goals are great without exception but I find Pogba's one to be the best, followed by Damsgaard and Patrick Schick, so I voted for them.
BTW "Goal of the tournament" blue box popping just few seconds before goals is really annoying!

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Quote from: bct_ail on July 13, 2021, 07:12:29 AM

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Quote from: joker_josue on July 13, 2021, 06:17:52 AM

Spain have good players, but that was the problem, they weren't playing as a team.

This is a valid point, and is often overlooked. Whilst having good players is important, it's not as important as how they fit together into a single unit.
It's worth also considering the opposite situation, with teams such as Denmark, where the individual players don't seem to be world-beaters, but they way they work together is impressive.

That is correct. As a team, you have to become a unit. Many teams need the first games in the group phase to find themselves. Then they grow together more and more. Germany is such an example. They are a typical tournament team.

Very correct,it is unity that brought Italy that far to the extent of winning the tournament.When all that's in a team are people who plays individual football,and not people who plays as a team,there is every tendency that the team will never attain their desired goal.Team work,unity and cooperation is what makes a team win any tittle.

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England have been the underdog national team for the many games they have played for the Euro and the world cup. As long as I've been a football fan it's the first time I've seen England reach the final and yes they failed.

Me, too. And from this fact, England made a good achievement in EURO 2020. Rarely saw England in the final match, but in this tournament, they can reach the final stage. Yes they failed to win the trophy, but at least England can experience the final match in a EURO 2020. England players and the coach can take big learning from this tournament. This can be a strong motivation for the next competition, so actually it is not a too bad result for England.

Yes, England showed a wonderful result at EURO 2020, but of course it's always a shame to stop one step away from the title, especially if this title is historical. It was undoubtedly psychologically easier for Italy, because before that Italy had already won the European Championship once and had been in the finals relatively recently, I'm not talking about the World Championships. The England team can undoubtedly be proud that for the second major tournament in a row, the team finishes at the decisive stages of the tournaments and if the team continues in the same spirit, there will still be chances for the title. Just do not forget that only one wins the title and the element of luck can often be crucial.

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With the win of the Euro Cup, Italy reached rank 4 FIFA for clus.
IDk how Belgium can still be the number one since they never won anything in their lives and always lost earlier in big tournaments.

Maybe they need to change the formula for points...

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Quote from: Trofo on July 13, 2021, 12:53:21 PM

You have to pick guys with nerves of steel or guys who don't care, everything else doesn't matter when you get to that final penalty kick.

Sometimes the defenders are probably the best penalty takers in this spot because those guy are the last line of defence and are pretty calm when it comes down to this stuff. Both Bonnuci and Harry Maguire nailed their penalty perfectly though and both are defenders.

Quote from: delfastTions on July 13, 2021, 03:38:55 PM

It is not known which of the players or managers came up with this gesture, but I would have fired him for such disrespect for the honorary award.

Every team plays to win so it either they win the tournament or they lose, there is no such thing as being proud of becoming the runner up. It is not a sign of disrespect but it is a sign of frustation for not winning the tournament. Its fine and its not out of the line as long as they dont throw it away in some garbage bin on their way to their locker room

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Quote from: BITCOIN4X on July 13, 2021, 02:52:53 PM

England have been the underdog national team for the many games they have played for the Euro and the world cup. As long as I've been a football fan it's the first time I've seen England reach the final and yes they failed.

Me, too. And from this fact, England made a good achievement in EURO 2020. Rarely saw England in the final match, but in this tournament, they can reach the final stage. Yes they failed to win the trophy, but at least England can experience the final match in a EURO 2020. England players and the coach can take big learning from this tournament. This can be a strong motivation for the next competition, so actually it is not a too bad result for England.

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