⚽UEFA EURO 2020 Discussion Thread | Current Phase: Finals in June 2021! - page 4.

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Quote from: snipie on July 14, 2021, 03:51:49 PM

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I don't see anything wrong with the fact that the weaker teams would compete at the qualifying stages and show everything they are capable of, and only the really strong would go to the final stage of the tournament. You have to agree that it is very illogical when in the final stage of the tournament there are several teams that are clearly much weaker than those teams that are not allowed in this round simply by quotas.
Doesn't this violate sporting principles?

I don't see anything wrong also but FIFA would give a chance to weaker teams to show their performance vs top teams. There was surprises sometimes. Imagine seeing Nation "where does it exist in this planet?" reaching advanced stage and the feeling of its people. I know it is unpleasant for most of us who want to see top teams fighting in late stages and not from the beginning. That's why many fans like way more EURO than World Cup Wink

And by the way, for the same reason, many bettors love the European Championship more than the World Cup and America's Cup Wink

Pairs of teams are less random, and most importantly, they all have the same professional motivation, so you can make more confident bets than on teams that are happy that they just came to the championship.

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This is hilarious and funny Mourinho endorsing the tactical foul on Saka by Chielliini in the EURO final match Chielliini used his wealth of experience to commit the foul when he missed the ball he didn't want to miss Saka, inexperience players would have escorted the pacy Saka till he enters the penalty area before committing the foul, the special one is fond of appreciating this kind of fouls I remembered when he was Inter Milan manager he encourages his defenders ruggedness towards their opponents and always adopt defensive style of play.

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I don't see anything wrong with the fact that the weaker teams would compete at the qualifying stages and show everything they are capable of, and only the really strong would go to the final stage of the tournament. You have to agree that it is very illogical when in the final stage of the tournament there are several teams that are clearly much weaker than those teams that are not allowed in this round simply by quotas.
Doesn't this violate sporting principles?

I don't see anything wrong also but FIFA would give a chance to weaker teams to show their performance vs top teams. There was surprises sometimes. Imagine seeing Nation "where does it exist in this planet?" reaching advanced stage and the feeling of its people. I know it is unpleasant for most of us who want to see top teams fighting in late stages and not from the beginning. That's why many fans like way more EURO than World Cup Wink

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Quote from: DU18 on July 14, 2021, 10:54:26 AM

a few days ago Argentine media, Diario Ole put forward the idea of holding a match between the champions of the Copa America (Argentina) and the champions of the Euro (Italy), if this could happen it would certainly be a very interesting match to watch, because we will see how the teams from different continents will display different styles of football, and the match will be like the Club World Cup, which indeed brings together the champion league winner with the uefa league winner so far.
In your opinion, if the match happened, who would be the winner?

It looks like the european soccer became superior to the latin american one if we take the previous results of world cups from 2010 on. Argentina might be the best of the Americas, but I think Italy or even some other european teams would overcome them. I believe this because european teams don't focus only in one player, like Argentina focus in Messi, instead they focus in a balanced team where every player is important and capable of doing a good job, what neutralizes the strategies of teams which rely in only one idol. So in this case Italy would be my guess...

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Quote from: Silberman on July 14, 2021, 01:59:08 PM

This is a good idea now that the FIFA Confederations Cup is no longer taking place, quite honestly I do not know why the Confederations Cup was canceled

I still remember that in 2019 it was said that the FIFA Confederations Cup would be abolished because there would be a new FIFA Club World Cup from 2021. I haven't followed that any more and can't say anything about the current status.

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Quote from: DU18 on July 14, 2021, 10:54:26 AM

a few days ago Argentine media, Diario Ole put forward the idea of holding a match between the champions of the Copa America (Argentina) and the champions of the Euro (Italy), if this could happen it would certainly be a very interesting match to watch, because we will see how the teams from different continents will display different styles of football, and the match will be like the Club World Cup, which indeed brings together the champion league winner with the uefa league winner so far.
In your opinion, if the match happened, who would be the winner?

This is a good idea now that the FIFA Confederations Cup is no longer taking place, quite honestly I do not know why the Confederations Cup was canceled as it was a kind of small world cup in which the best of the best came to the tournament and let us see some interesting matches and we could have been able to see Argentina playing Italy on the finals, but since this is not possible anymore maybe it is time to arrange a match between the two champions and see who is the best out of the two.

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a few days ago Argentine media, Diario Ole put forward the idea of holding a match between the champions of the Copa America (Argentina) and the champions of the Euro (Italy), if this could happen it would certainly be a very interesting match to watch, because we will see how the teams from different continents will display different styles of football, and the match will be like the Club World Cup, which indeed brings together the champion league winner with the uefa league winner so far.
In your opinion, if the match happened, who would be the winner?

It could be a really interesting game if it becomes reality. We can give an example from an UEFA Super Cup game. the Champions League and the Europa League winners play against each other for the Super Cup.

A similar idea can be applied for countries also.

Yes i think its a good idea and i am surprised that this idea has not been implemented already it will surely be pleasent for football fans especially that the two teams are presenting good football and i am interested to see this because of the defensive strategy both teams implement.

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Quote from: DU18 on July 14, 2021, 10:54:26 AM

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a few days ago Argentine media, Diario Ole put forward the idea of holding a match between the champions of the Copa America (Argentina) and the champions of the Euro (Italy), if this could happen it would certainly be a very interesting match to watch, because we will see how the teams from different continents will display different styles of football, and the match will be like the Club World Cup, which indeed brings together the champion league winner with the uefa league winner so far.
In your opinion, if the match happened, who would be the winner?

It could be a really interesting game if it becomes reality. We can give an example from an UEFA Super Cup game. the Champions League and the Europa League winners play against each other for the Super Cup.

A similar idea can be applied for countries also.

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Quote from: W Jr. on July 14, 2021, 08:22:46 AM

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Quote from: babo on July 14, 2021, 04:16:26 AM

brazil is the strongest team in the world, currently I think it is the number 1 overall

Why is Brazil the strongest?
He hasn't won tests for years. It ended up losing to Argentina. Being number 2 in the ranking does not mean that it is the best.

The current Brazil, I think it lost to any great European national team.

Brazil still seems like the best to us, as we have always seen it as very strong. There is no old strong Brazil. There is no legendary Brazil with legendary players like Ronaldo Nazario, Ronaldinho de Asis, Cafu. Any European country can beat Brazil. I still remember the match where Germany beat Brazil 7-1.

yeah , that match was historic for germany by the 30th minute, the game was over. mannschaft was already up 5-0 ,we saw one of the greatest fifa world cup victories ever. on july 8th, 2014, brazil was humiliated on home soil. for the brazilians, this was their worst moment in football. for germany, this was just one step closer to the ultimate prize. germany defeated the brazilians 7-1 at the estadio mineirao, and the match was later coined as the agony of mineirao. everyone expected this to be a close match between two of the greatest football nations. At the time, brazil had 5 world cup titles with germany in the rear with 3

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Quote from: joker_josue on July 14, 2021, 11:39:03 AM

Quote from: DU18 on July 14, 2021, 10:54:26 AM

a few days ago Argentine media, Diario Ole put forward the idea of holding a match between the champions of the Copa America (Argentina) and the champions of the Euro (Italy), if this could happen it would certainly be a very interesting match to watch, because we will see how the teams from different continents will display different styles of football, and the match will be like the Club World Cup, which indeed brings together the champion league winner with the uefa league winner so far.
In your opinion, if the match happened, who would be the winner?

I think Italy won!
It wasn't even a question of Argentina having bad players. The point is that Italy, they play as a team and tactically are far superior. Know when to attack - and attack well. He knows when to defend - and defends well. As already mentioned, at this moment the great countries of Europe win over those of Latin America.

If no miracle happens then Italy will win. The main reason for this seems to be that Argentina's defense is weak, whereas Italian players can counterattack very quickly. Argentine defenders do not have enough skills to handle a sudden counterattack. Italy's defense, on the other hand, is much stronger. Messi must perform exceptionally well to break through such a defense. Without a good performance from Messi, Argentina will not be able to perform well against a strong team like Italy.

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Quote from: DU18 on July 14, 2021, 10:54:26 AM

a few days ago Argentine media, Diario Ole put forward the idea of holding a match between the champions of the Copa America (Argentina) and the champions of the Euro (Italy), if this could happen it would certainly be a very interesting match to watch, because we will see how the teams from different continents will display different styles of football, and the match will be like the Club World Cup, which indeed brings together the champion league winner with the uefa league winner so far.
In your opinion, if the match happened, who would be the winner?

I think Italy won!
It wasn't even a question of Argentina having bad players. The point is that Italy, they play as a team and tactically are far superior. Know when to attack - and attack well. He knows when to defend - and defends well. As already mentioned, at this moment the great countries of Europe win over those of Latin America.

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Quote from: DU18 on July 14, 2021, 10:54:26 AM

a few days ago Argentine media, Diario Ole put forward the idea of holding a match between the champions of the Copa America (Argentina) and the champions of the Euro (Italy), if this could happen it would certainly be a very interesting match to watch, because we will see how the teams from different continents will display different styles of football, and the match will be like the Club World Cup, which indeed brings together the champion league winner with the uefa league winner so far.
In your opinion, if the match happened, who would be the winner?

Super Cup Maradona? Of course it's a pretty good idea so far and I'll take the time to watch the match. But will this match be easily realized in the midst of a fairly busy international football schedule? It is clear that the game is only hampered by time although it look good to look forward to.

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Quote from: W Jr. on July 14, 2021, 10:38:44 AM

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Quote from: W Jr. on July 14, 2021, 08:22:46 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on July 14, 2021, 06:25:54 AM

Quote from: babo on July 14, 2021, 04:16:26 AM

brazil is the strongest team in the world, currently I think it is the number 1 overall

Why is Brazil the strongest?
He hasn't won tests for years. It ended up losing to Argentina. Being number 2 in the ranking does not mean that it is the best.

The current Brazil, I think it lost to any great European national team.

Brazil still seems like the best to us, as we have always seen it as very strong. There is no old strong Brazil. There is no legendary Brazil with legendary players like Ronaldo Nazario, Ronaldinho de Asis, Cafu. Any European country can beat Brazil. I still remember the match where Germany beat Brazil 7-1.

European teams can easily beat any of the teams participating in the Copa America. If Brazil or Argentina also play against a team like Denmark then maybe the match will be a draw, otherwise they will lose. The European teams have improved themselves as much as possible. The American teams have become so weak.

In the past, teams such as Brazil and Argentina had an advantage over other teams. These two teams from the Americas could qualify for the World Cup final. Uruguay also had successful matches. However, at this time, European Football is more developed. We have to accept this. The European cup is a tournament where more difficult teams collide than Copa America.

I believed all the assessment of Brazil being the best or strongest team in the world are based and judged on their past record I didn't think they can match up with European countries like Italy, Belgium, Germany, France and Spain in any major competition, those countries had up their game I also agreed that any of those teams can beat them now, in the past the Brazilian used to have one or two skillful and exceptional players in their team that can make a difference or match winner however those kind of players are lacking now I am not convinced with Neymar Jr. contribution to that team.

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a few days ago Argentine media, Diario Ole put forward the idea of holding a match between the champions of the Copa America (Argentina) and the champions of the Euro (Italy), if this could happen it would certainly be a very interesting match to watch, because we will see how the teams from different continents will display different styles of football, and the match will be like the Club World Cup, which indeed brings together the champion league winner with the uefa league winner so far.
In your opinion, if the match happened, who would be the winner?

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Quote from: Iranus on July 14, 2021, 08:46:36 AM

Quote from: W Jr. on July 14, 2021, 08:22:46 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on July 14, 2021, 06:25:54 AM

Quote from: babo on July 14, 2021, 04:16:26 AM

brazil is the strongest team in the world, currently I think it is the number 1 overall

Why is Brazil the strongest?
He hasn't won tests for years. It ended up losing to Argentina. Being number 2 in the ranking does not mean that it is the best.

The current Brazil, I think it lost to any great European national team.

Brazil still seems like the best to us, as we have always seen it as very strong. There is no old strong Brazil. There is no legendary Brazil with legendary players like Ronaldo Nazario, Ronaldinho de Asis, Cafu. Any European country can beat Brazil. I still remember the match where Germany beat Brazil 7-1.

European teams can easily beat any of the teams participating in the Copa America. If Brazil or Argentina also play against a team like Denmark then maybe the match will be a draw, otherwise they will lose. The European teams have improved themselves as much as possible. The American teams have become so weak.

In the past, teams such as Brazil and Argentina had an advantage over other teams. These two teams from the Americas could qualify for the World Cup final. Uruguay also had successful matches. However, at this time, European Football is more developed. We have to accept this. The European cup is a tournament where more difficult teams collide than Copa America.

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Quote from: joker_josue on July 14, 2021, 06:25:54 AM

Quote from: babo on July 14, 2021, 04:16:26 AM

brazil is the strongest team in the world, currently I think it is the number 1 overall

Why is Brazil the strongest?
He hasn't won tests for years. It ended up losing to Argentina. Being number 2 in the ranking does not mean that it is the best.

The current Brazil, I think it lost to any great European national team.

Your approach to Brazilian squad isn't right. A single defeat can't decide whether a team is strong or weak. But, sadly we have used to characterizes this standards. A match outcome is matter yet your plan have to be work out. Brazil lost 0-1 against Argentina, does it demonstrated that current Brazil squad more vulnerable than Argentina squad, nah! Brazil had conceded only two goals throughout the tournament.

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Quote from: snipie on July 14, 2021, 09:59:33 AM

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I agree. And it's a pity that the bastard corrupt officials from FIFA turned the World Cup into something incomprehensible. I understand that teams like Saudi Arabia or Australia and their fans are pleased with the presence at the World Championships, but this lowers the average strength of this championship, plus many strong national teams (especially from Europe) do not get there.
In ideal conditions, we would see tough competition between these strongest teams, but in fact we see a miserable tournament at the group stage + some really interesting playoff matches.

Haha, you know if that applies, World Cup will become Europe + South America Cup Wink

If we consider Western/Central European teams and Brazil as level 5, Argentina as level 4 then almost all Asian, African and oceanic teams are level 2 max! except Australia, South Korea/Japan, Algeria, Nigeria/Ivory cost/Cameroon and few other teams that can be considered level 3.
The gap is too big, that's why World Cup is a bit annoying at the beginning although we might witness some surprises then things get intense later Grin

I don't see anything wrong with the fact that the weaker teams would compete at the qualifying stages and show everything they are capable of, and only the really strong would go to the final stage of the tournament. You have to agree that it is very illogical when in the final stage of the tournament there are several teams that are clearly much weaker than those teams that are not allowed in this round simply by quotas.
Doesn't this violate sporting principles?

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Quote from: KTChampions on July 14, 2021, 08:56:50 AM

Quote from: snipie on July 14, 2021, 06:36:00 AM

Nah Brazil is better than Argentina, that defeat in the final game doesn't mean Argentina is the best team there. Argentina got hard moments advancing to the final game against way weaker team. In fact, current Argentina will not get a chance against any top European team. At the opposite Brazil will be hard to defeat by most. I would say Italy and France would be the ones that can compete Brazil.

I agree. And it's a pity that the bastard corrupt officials from FIFA turned the World Cup into something incomprehensible. I understand that teams like Saudi Arabia or Australia and their fans are pleased with the presence at the World Championships, but this lowers the average strength of this championship, plus many strong national teams (especially from Europe) do not get there.
In ideal conditions, we would see tough competition between these strongest teams, but in fact we see a miserable tournament at the group stage + some really interesting playoff matches.

Haha, you know if that applies, World Cup will become Europe + South America Cup Wink

If we consider Western/Central European teams and Brazil as level 5, Argentina as level 4 then almost all Asian, African and oceanic teams are level 2 max! except Australia, South Korea/Japan, Algeria, Nigeria/Ivory cost/Cameroon and few other teams that can be considered level 3.
The gap is too big, that's why World Cup is a bit annoying at the beginning although we might witness some surprises then things get intense later Grin

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It is well known that each tournament has its favorites, some by history, others by recent statistics, others by that perception of your follow-ups and having seen something that others do not see, in the latter it is almost always where we lose

but it is a Added bet for me, between bets with which we seek the primary objective of winning..

In that previous sense, my three teams were Belgium, Italy and England and between them I diversified my bets ...

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Quote from: Iranus on July 14, 2021, 08:46:36 AM

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Quote from: babo on July 14, 2021, 04:16:26 AM

brazil is the strongest team in the world, currently I think it is the number 1 overall

Why is Brazil the strongest?
He hasn't won tests for years. It ended up losing to Argentina. Being number 2 in the ranking does not mean that it is the best.

The current Brazil, I think it lost to any great European national team.

Brazil still seems like the best to us, as we have always seen it as very strong. There is no old strong Brazil. There is no legendary Brazil with legendary players like Ronaldo Nazario, Ronaldinho de Asis, Cafu. Any European country can beat Brazil. I still remember the match where Germany beat Brazil 7-1.

European teams can easily beat any of the teams participating in the Copa America. If Brazil or Argentina also play against a team like Denmark then maybe the match will be a draw, otherwise they will lose. The European teams have improved themselves as much as possible. The American teams have become so weak.

The way of playing also has differences in speed, counter-attack and defence, European teams are much better than other teams and also play with very stable stamina during the full game and also in extra time.
and when I watched yesterday's Copa America compared to the Euros there was a lot of difference, and the American team played like they were weak and looked dull and no excitement or mediocrity compared to the Euros which was exhilarating, tense and also feeling satisfied and very entertained while watching.
And if some American teams and European teams meet I will definitely choose the European team and definitely win.

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