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Quote from: Distraction on September 28, 2023, 02:56:35 PM

I wish Haaland had a different nationality. Grin

I mean I would have liked to watch him playing for a strong national team which is a title contender in big tournaments. Norway is far from that level I'm afraid. They don't have many qualified players in their squad. If they have a golden generation in the future then maybe things would change.

Erling Haaland is a young player that have more years to play football, we would enjoyed every moment during his time as top striker in both country and club football level. On a second thought, he would have gone ahead to nationalized for any strong country like France or Belgium, he would have done quite brilliant because he will play in the midst of outstanding players as teammates and having a tougher coach. Perhaps he's keen on making a name for Norway, he will be the top goal scorer in the country's history if he's consistent in outstanding performance just as club level.

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Quote from: strunberg on September 28, 2023, 10:29:06 PM

Quote from: Franctoshi on September 28, 2023, 03:51:03 PM

Have you not seen a scenario where some individual talented players carried their country on their shoulders in a given competition such as the World or Nation Cup competition, even though that country is not among the top 10 or top 20 best countries in terms of football rating, these are things you do as an individual player that classifies you as an extraordinary player even though football is about teamwork, Haaland can do it for his country as the current goal-scoring machine we have now.

But I think it can happen if their squad has several players who have the level to be competent in Europe's top leagues. Relying on one superstar while your teammates are lower level players will make it impossible to qualify for either EURO or FWC. But for Norway currently I think they already have players with abilities that are not much different. I see that there are several Norwegian players apart from Odegaard, Haaland and Ryerson who have enough ability to build the Norwegian national team squad in the future.

There's no way the brilliance of just one player in a team will help the entire team to win a major tournament without very vital contributions from his teammates and that's I don't believe in that folklore of a player single-handedly winning a major honour. Without doubt, a player may be more influential in the performance of his team but can't just be the sole reason why his team wins tournament.
Haaland has been heavily criticized by many who thinks he's not replicating his goalscoring heroics at the club level for his country. Haaland exploits at club level I think is strongly helped by the kind of teammates that helps bring out the best in him and that is what he lacks in the Norwegian national team. Though he's been managing to score plenty of goals for Norway, winning a major tournament with the team will be very difficult for him

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Quote from: Franctoshi on September 28, 2023, 03:51:03 PM

Have you not seen a scenario where some individual talented players carried their country on their shoulders in a given competition such as the World or Nation Cup competition, even though that country is not among the top 10 or top 20 best countries in terms of football rating, these are things you do as an individual player that classifies you as an extraordinary player even though football is about teamwork, Haaland can do it for his country as the current goal-scoring machine we have now.

But I think it can happen if their squad has several players who have the level to be competent in Europe's top leagues. Relying on one superstar while your teammates are lower level players will make it impossible to qualify for either EURO or FWC. But for Norway currently I think they already have players with abilities that are not much different. I see that there are several Norwegian players apart from Odegaard, Haaland and Ryerson who have enough ability to build the Norwegian national team squad in the future.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 28, 2023, 02:56:35 PM

I wish Haaland had a different nationality. Grin

I mean I would have liked to watch him playing for a strong national team which is a title contender in big tournaments. Norway are far from that level I'm afraid. They don't have many qualified players in their squad. If they have a golden generation in the future then maybe things would change.

I also don't expect Norway to qualify for Euro 2024. Scotland are doing even much better than Spain. Norway are competing in a group like this now so it is too hard for them to make it to the main tournament. Sad

This time Norway was unfortunate that they got placed in an extremely strong group. And who expected Scotland to perform the way they are doing now? Spain has been pushed down to the 2nd position, as young Scottish players such as John McGinn, Scott McTominay and Callum McGregor are completely dominating Group A of the qualifiers. Norway may still qualify for the Euro Cup on some other occasion. If not in 2024, then definitely in 2028 or 2032. But I am sad that we may never see them in the FIFA World Cup. With such pathetic defense, they are not going to qualify anytime soon.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 28, 2023, 02:56:35 PM

I wish Haaland had a different nationality. Grin

I mean I would have liked to watch him playing for a strong national team which is a title contender in big tournaments. Norway is far from that level I'm afraid. They don't have many qualified players in their squad. If they have a golden generation in the future then maybe things would change.

Have you not seen a scenario where some individual talented players carried their country on their shoulders in a given competition such as the World or Nation Cup competition, even though that country is not among the top 10 or top 20 best countries in terms of football rating, these are things you do as an individual player that classifies you as an extraordinary player even though football is about teamwork, Haaland can do it for his country as the current goal-scoring machine we have now.

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Quote from: Distraction on September 28, 2023, 02:56:35 PM

I wish Haaland had a different nationality. Grin

I mean I would have liked to watch him playing for a strong national team which is a title contender in big tournaments. Norway are far from that level I'm afraid. They don't have many qualified players in their squad. If they have a golden generation in the future then maybe things would change.

I also don't expect Norway to qualify for Euro 2024. Scotland are doing even much better than Spain. Norway are competing in a group like this now so it is too hard for them to make it to the main tournament. Sad

I doubt with Haaland has chance for participating in UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany looking on current standings position qualifier group stage difficult to eliminated Scotland and Spain national team who stand on 1st and 2nd place awhile, exactly for Scotland have one leg for UEFA Euro 2024 after having 15 points and get difference 8 points from Norway teams on 3rd standings position. Actually Haaland is golden generation but only with his club and difficult for more contribution for his country, not really bad with Norway teams composition because there are still have Arsenal player Martin Ødegaard and realistic target by finish 2nd placed but we have miss for watching Spain national teams in Europ 2024 if Norway qualified from group stage.

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I wish Haaland had a different nationality. Grin

I mean I would have liked to watch him playing for a strong national team which is a title contender in big tournaments. Norway are far from that level I'm afraid. They don't have many qualified players in their squad. If they have a golden generation in the future then maybe things would change.

I also don't expect Norway to qualify for Euro 2024. Scotland are doing even much better than Spain. Norway are competing in a group like this now so it is too hard for them to make it to the main tournament. Sad

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on September 28, 2023, 01:04:44 PM

There are some countries that have many world class stars from all the countries but because some other players like him were not produced together in that country that country never did well in the World Cup tournament or other European leagues. Portugal has produced the best stars but at different times that's why they haven't been able to perform the best in the World Cup so far, Portugal won the UEFA Euro trophy only once and that too against England which was a long time ago but this time we definitely expect something big from Ronaldo like the World Cup. Did but Ronaldo failed there.Just as Cristiano Ronaldo failed to achieve great things because of his team support, Haaland may not be able to achieve as much for the country as expected due to lack of team support.

It's very interesting to talk about players who are out of their depth, but with teams or national teams that weren't at the same level

Portugal won the Euro 2016, not so long ago hehe
Cristiano Ronaldo was at a different level to everyone else, but the team did help him and he had great teammates. It's not easy to win the Euro and they did. The World Cup is unfortunately more difficult, and even teams with a lot of stars have never managed to win it
Unfortunately, we won't be seeing Haaland at this Euro

Just as Norway can't keep up with Haaland, there's also the example of Wales and Bale, Litmanen and Finland, Mkhitaryan and Armenia.
Annd outside of Europe there's Weah from Liberia, Yorke from Trinibad and Tobago and a few others...
Does anyone here remember these players?

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Quote from: Rampagoe004 on September 27, 2023, 02:55:23 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 25, 2023, 09:57:03 PM

In around 2 weeks time, the next round of matches are going to start. Group A is looking very interesting, with Spain now at the no.2 position. Norway has only 7 points from 5 matches and unless a miracle happens, they may fail to qualify for the main tournament. In Group B, it is still a fight between Greece and Netherlands for the second spot, with the latter having an advantage. In Group C, it's between Italy and Ukraine. Apart from these groups, it is now more or less clear about who will qualify to the main tournament from the other groups.

Honestly, I really regret that Haaland will not have the opportunity to play in the UEFA or FIFA World Cup. Unlike Portugal which has history and tradition in world football history, Norway is the same as Wales or even less so. Sorry if this is off topic but honestly when watching the Norway match I thought it was very sad when you have to carry your team alone.

There are some countries that have many world class stars from all the countries but because some other players like him were not produced together in that country that country never did well in the World Cup tournament or other European leagues. Portugal has produced the best stars but at different times that's why they haven't been able to perform the best in the World Cup so far, Portugal won the UEFA Euro trophy only once and that too against England which was a long time ago but this time we definitely expect something big from Ronaldo like the World Cup. Did but Ronaldo failed there.Just as Cristiano Ronaldo failed to achieve great things because of his team support, Haaland may not be able to achieve as much for the country as expected due to lack of team support.

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Quote from: Juggy777 on September 28, 2023, 04:05:10 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 28, 2023, 01:32:51 AM

It's not going to matter anyway. The chances that Norway may qualify either for Euro 2024 or the FIFA World Cup of 2026 is minimal. They are not in a good position as far as the Euro qualifiers are concerned. In Group A, they are now at third place behind Scotland and Spain. Even if Haaland plays for them for the remaining matches, I don't think that Norway will be able to overtake Spain and thereby qualify for the main tournament. I also don't understand what is the benefit Haaland is going to get in representing Norway. He should rather focus on his role with Manchester City F.C.

@Sithara007 he’s young and he wants to pursue international glory too hence it makes sense that he wishes to represent Norway. Also Halland has improved by leaps and bound and under Pep he’s evolved a lot hence whenever he plays for Norway there’s definitely a chance for them so it’s unwise to think that he can’t have any positive impact while representing Norway.

I do not think that how good Haaland is will matter in case of Norway because we are talking about a team that will not have good enough defense to stop others, and teams will score in bunches, Haaland will not be getting passes from De Bruyne in this case neither so it is going to be hard for Norway to qualify for something like this neither.

I get that it may still happen, there is a possibility for it, but that doesn't mean that they will do fine. He just will not have a good international career, if he was Brazillian or British or French, he would have something amazing, he could have been German all we care and he would be awesome in international games but because he is Norwegian, he will not have that career internationally.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 28, 2023, 09:07:31 AM

OK.. If you say so, then that maybe the case. Good that you mentioned about Martin Ødegaard. He has been a part of the Arsenal first XI for the last 3 years or so, and I would rate him as a world class player. I understand that playing for the national team is a matter of great pride (not just for the Europeans, but also for others as well). And it is up to players such as Erling Håland and Martin Ødegaard to decide how much focus they want to spend on the national team. And as you mentioned, both of them are in their early 20s, and so there is plenty of time for them.

The ability for a player to perform at world class level which is country football is classified as been at the best peak of his football career. Norway is lucky to have these incredible talents in the team, they will enchanced the performance of their country with other positive contributions from their teammates. Martin Ødegaard and Erling Haaland are important player for Mikel Arteta and Pep Guardiola because with their absence in the midfield and frontline, Gunners and City will struggle to win games. Perhaps these outstanding players can perform really good in country games, that's one of the attributes of players to become successful in all rounds, basically not only club level football.

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Quote from: Rikafip on September 28, 2023, 07:25:19 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 28, 2023, 06:34:06 AM

Well.. what will Haaland gain from playing in these world cup qualifiers, fully knowing that Norway may never qualify for the main tournament?

Haaland is only 23 yo and Norway's 2nd best player Odegaard is 24 meaning they have plenty of time to qualify for Euro or WC. What you obviously don't understand is that playing for your national team is the highest honor for any football player (well at least in Europe) and players only skip it if they are injured (unlike for example basketball where players often calculate)

OK.. If you say so, then that maybe the case. Good that you mentioned about Martin Ødegaard. He has been a part of the Arsenal first XI for the last 3 years or so, and I would rate him as a world class player. I understand that playing for the national team is a matter of great pride (not just for the Europeans, but also for others as well). And it is up to players such as Erling Håland and Martin Ødegaard to decide how much focus they want to spend on the national team. And as you mentioned, both of them are in their early 20s, and so there is plenty of time for them.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 28, 2023, 06:34:06 AM

Well.. what will Haaland gain from playing in these world cup qualifiers, fully knowing that Norway may never qualify for the main tournament?

Haaland is only 23 yo and Norway's 2nd best player Odegaard is 24 meaning they have plenty of time to qualify for Euro or WC. What you obviously don't understand is that playing for your national team is the highest honor for any football player (well at least in Europe) and players only skip it if they are injured (unlike for example basketball where players often calculate).

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 28, 2023, 06:34:06 AM

The case with Croatia is much different. They are one of the top-5 teams in the world, and the players know that they will get an opportunity to represent their country at the world cup.

You obviously know very little about history of our national team, period when we sucked and mentality of our players.

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 28, 2023, 06:34:06 AM

If Haaland wants to participate in world cup, the only option left for him is to change his nationality. If he gets a British or German passport, then we may be able to watch him playing at the world's biggest sporting event.

The only national team Haaland will ever be able to play for is Norway because the moment he played his 4th international game for Norway before age of 21, he became inelligible to play for any other national team, ever.

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 28, 2023, 06:34:06 AM

Else he will just end up like Goran Pandeev.

Pandev played in the last Euro so he did just fine and to be honest, he was never even close to Haaland level.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 28, 2023, 06:34:06 AM

Quote from: Rikafip on September 28, 2023, 03:24:12 AM

I don't know how it is in Norway, but for Croatian players national team is way above clubs in terms of priority and that's one of the reasons why our national team is so good despite very limited pool of players. Our players are first and foremost freinds and they can't wait to get together and represent our country.

Well.. what will Haaland gain from playing in these world cup qualifiers, fully knowing that Norway may never qualify for the main tournament? The case with Croatia is much different. They are one of the top-5 teams in the world, and the players know that they will get an opportunity to represent their country at the world cup. If Haaland wants to participate in world cup, the only option left for him is to change his nationality. If he gets a British or German passport, then we may be able to watch him playing at the world's biggest sporting event. Else he will just end up like Goran Pandeev.

Yes, Norway has performed poorly or not at all at World or European Championships... I don't think Haaland will be able to solve the national team's problem anyway... Now they are on the third place in the group and there is a probability that they will not be able to qualify again, so a change of nationality would be a reasonable step for a promising player... Although for example Zlatan Ibrahimovic was proud to play for Sweden and I think he had opportunities to play for another country... There is some moral point here...

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Quote from: Rikafip on September 28, 2023, 03:24:12 AM

I don't know how it is in Norway, but for Croatian players national team is way above clubs in terms of priority and that's one of the reasons why our national team is so good despite very limited pool of players. Our players are first and foremost freinds and they can't wait to get together and represent our country.

Well.. what will Haaland gain from playing in these world cup qualifiers, fully knowing that Norway may never qualify for the main tournament? The case with Croatia is much different. They are one of the top-5 teams in the world, and the players know that they will get an opportunity to represent their country at the world cup. If Haaland wants to participate in world cup, the only option left for him is to change his nationality. If he gets a British or German passport, then we may be able to watch him playing at the world's biggest sporting event. Else he will just end up like Goran Pandeev.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 28, 2023, 01:32:51 AM

Quote from: Hirose UK on September 27, 2023, 09:34:25 PM

Haaland cannot join the Norwegian national team in the Euro 2024 qualifiers because he is suffering from a groin injury so the decision of the coach and management of the Norwegian national team may be correct because forcing Haaland to play might result in a more serious injury.
But without Haaland presence Norway looks less than optimal and I think the front line is still not sharp enough to launch attacks.

It's not going to matter anyway. The chances that Norway may qualify either for Euro 2024 or the FIFA World Cup of 2026 is minimal. They are not in a good position as far as the Euro qualifiers are concerned. In Group A, they are now at third place behind Scotland and Spain. Even if Haaland plays for them for the remaining matches, I don't think that Norway will be able to overtake Spain and thereby qualify for the main tournament. I also don't understand what is the benefit Haaland is going to get in representing Norway. He should rather focus on his role with Manchester City F.C.

@Sithara007 he’s young and he wants to pursue international glory too hence it makes sense that he wishes to represent Norway. Also Halland has improved by leaps and bound and under Pep he’s evolved a lot hence whenever he plays for Norway there’s definitely a chance for them so it’s unwise to think that he can’t have any positive impact while representing Norway.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 27, 2023, 09:08:28 PM

And I am aware that Ivory Coast managed to qualify a few times to the world cup. The last appearance was in 2014. Wilfried Zaha started playing for them in 2017, and is yet to get an opportunity to showcase his skills in the main tournament. Yves Bissouma represents Mali, a team which has never qualified for the FIFA World Cup.

To be honest, neither Zaha or Bissouma are such a good players to consider them not playing at WC being a loss for the tournaments. Haaland on the other hand is on a completely different level so him (probably) missing EURO will be a loss as he is one of the most popular players at the moment.

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 28, 2023, 01:32:51 AM

They are not in a good position as far as the Euro qualifiers are concerned. In Group A, they are now at third place behind Scotland and Spain. Even if Haaland plays for them for the remaining matches, I don't think that Norway will be able to overtake Spain and thereby qualify for the main tournament.

They might get a chance to reach EURO through playoffs, so not all is lost for them even if they don't finish in top 2 (which they probably won't).

Quote from: Sithara007 on September 28, 2023, 01:32:51 AM

I also don't understand what is the benefit Haaland is going to get in representing Norway. He should rather focus on his role with Manchester City F.C.

I don't know how it is in Norway, but for Croatian players national team is way above clubs in terms of priority and that's one of the reasons why our national team is so good despite very limited pool of players. Our players are first and foremost freinds and they can't wait to get together and represent our country.

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Quote from: Hirose UK on September 27, 2023, 09:34:25 PM

Haaland cannot join the Norwegian national team in the Euro 2024 qualifiers because he is suffering from a groin injury so the decision of the coach and management of the Norwegian national team may be correct because forcing Haaland to play might result in a more serious injury.
But without Haaland presence Norway looks less than optimal and I think the front line is still not sharp enough to launch attacks.

It's not going to matter anyway. The chances that Norway may qualify either for Euro 2024 or the FIFA World Cup of 2026 is minimal. They are not in a good position as far as the Euro qualifiers are concerned. In Group A, they are now at third place behind Scotland and Spain. Even if Haaland plays for them for the remaining matches, I don't think that Norway will be able to overtake Spain and thereby qualify for the main tournament. I also don't understand what is the benefit Haaland is going to get in representing Norway. He should rather focus on his role with Manchester City F.C.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 25, 2023, 09:57:03 PM

In around 2 weeks time, the next round of matches are going to start. Group A is looking very interesting, with Spain now at the no.2 position. Norway has only 7 points from 5 matches and unless a miracle happens, they may fail to qualify for the main tournament. In Group B, it is still a fight between Greece and Netherlands for the second spot, with the latter having an advantage. In Group C, it's between Italy and Ukraine. Apart from these groups, it is now more or less clear about who will qualify to the main tournament from the other groups.

Things are complicated in Group D, too. Considering that Croatia will definitely win and that they will win the match against Turkey, Armenia and Wales are in an assertive position for second place. In a match between Wales and Turkey, if Wales wins, they have the chance to come out of the group as second. The race for second place in group D will be very competitive. Turkey lost 2 important points with a surprising draw between Armenia and Turkey in the last match. This completely changed the standings.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 25, 2023, 09:57:03 PM

In around 2 weeks time, the next round of matches are going to start. Group A is looking very interesting, with Spain now at the no.2 position. Norway has only 7 points from 5 matches and unless a miracle happens, they may fail to qualify for the main tournament. In Group B, it is still a fight between Greece and Netherlands for the second spot, with the latter having an advantage. In Group C, it's between Italy and Ukraine. Apart from these groups, it is now more or less clear about who will qualify to the main tournament from the other groups.

The competition for positions in each group will become increasingly fierce and the national teams in each group will continue to try their best to play optimally and qualify from the group phase more easily.
It seems that there will be new names in each group who will advance to the next round but there are still a few more matches to see who is the strongest in each group because the pursuit of points will always be carried out.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 25, 2023, 09:57:03 PM

In around 2 weeks time, the next round of matches are going to start. Group A is looking very interesting, with Spain now at the no.2 position. Norway has only 7 points from 5 matches and unless a miracle happens, they may fail to qualify for the main tournament. In Group B, it is still a fight between Greece and Netherlands for the second spot, with the latter having an advantage. In Group C, it's between Italy and Ukraine. Apart from these groups, it is now more or less clear about who will qualify to the main tournament from the other groups.

Honestly, I really regret that Haaland will not have the opportunity to play in the UEFA or FIFA World Cup. Unlike Portugal which has history and tradition in world football history, Norway is the same as Wales or even less so. Sorry if this is off topic but honestly when watching the Norway match I thought it was very sad when you have to carry your team alone.

Haaland cannot join the Norwegian national team in the Euro 2024 qualifiers because he is suffering from a groin injury so the decision of the coach and management of the Norwegian national team may be correct because forcing Haaland to play might result in a more serious injury.
But without Haaland presence Norway looks less than optimal and I think the front line is still not sharp enough to launch attacks.

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