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I had read a statement from Amorim before, he said that no MU manager since Ferguson retired was able to emulate his success, Amorim also said that his team should play with more enthusiasm without imitating Sir Alex Ferguson's golden years. So, we can conclude that Amorim has his own ideas to not be in the shadow of Sir Alex Ferguson. Amorim's first debut with United was not so impressive, I mean they only got 1 point. So, Amorim needs time at least to bring United to the level of play he wants. It's not easy, we all know that Manchester United's situation is not ordinary. Which Amorim will need time, especially to approach and introduce the programs he carries. Let's just look at Amorim's second match with United, where they will play against Bodo Glimt in the continuation of the Europa League group stage. On paper United should be able to win, but this is a challenging match for Amorim in a competition other than the Premier League. In order for them to regain their spirit and mentality, Amorim and his team need a win. Well, let's wait.

Amorin joined Man United on November 11, at least there were 2 weeks for Amorin to adapt and implement his strategy at Man United, but it seems that 2 weeks were not enough for Amorin to adapt and implement his strategy. Only getting one point in the match against Ipswich which is one of the weakest teams in the English league is a bad result achieved by Amorin in his first match with Man United. They lost a match that they should have won.

And yes in the next match in the UEFA Europa League, Man United will face Bodo/Glimt. If you look at the depth of the squad, it is clear that on paper Man United is superior. They should be able to win this match, but looking at their performance on the field, I am a bit pessimistic that Man United can win this match, even though Amorin is there. and in fact Man United's improvement has been seen when Ten Hag left Man United and Ruud as a temporary replacement. But it is very unfortunate since Amorin came, Ruud left Man United.

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Quote from: len01 on November 24, 2024, 04:52:54 AM

I really appreciate the main candidates like Spurs and Man United, but honestly I feel stronger thinking about Lazio, Ajax and Galatasaray as the strongest candidates here. Although experience is one of the main factors for a team to win a trophy, we also have to consider the appearance and performance of other teams that are more consistent.
If we look at the performance of the three teams I mentioned, they also have good results in the Serie A, Eredivisie and Turkish league competitions.
We remember last season Leverkusen was the strongest candidate but it turned out that Atalanta won the UEL title. And this is one example that the 3 teams in the top 3 have a big chance to win the title.

Tottenham is still acceptable for the champion candidate, but honestly I don't see a chance for Man United. Everyone must realize the current performance of Man United, they even failed to win against a small team in EPL. How we can expect Man United to win against stronger teams in UEL? It is funny that Man United becomes the candidate of UEL champion. Grin

You're right, there are many other stronger candidates. Lazio, Galatasaray, Ajax, Frankfurt, Athletic Club, and Anderlecht more deserve to be the candidates of UEL champion. So far, these teams are in the top 6 of UEL table. They also got 0 defeat, they only got 1 draw. Even, Lazio always won the match, they have 100% win record until now. In Serie A, Lazio also performed very well.

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The book makers and now making some determinants for certain persons forgetting that just like us, the book makers doesn't know for sure who's going to win the Europa League title. I even at some point have a feeling that Manchester United or even the spurs may not win as they now have all the attention, a small team whose got almost no attention and expectations would gradually climb the table and before it will be realized, they are already at the finals trying to win the trophy again this time.so I believe it's better to keep a probable open mind.

Well Manchester United is not in the shape to win this I think although it is difficult to argue that Tottenham Hotspurs is good enough only because they beat a struggling Manchester City now. Yes the 4-0 win is of course impressive and it could be expected that the bookmakers will adjust the numbers, but since Tottenham Hotspurs is going through a hardship, I don't know what to think of this surprising win against Manchester City. Sure if they play like that they can of course win the Europa League, but was this an outlier or is Tottenham going to be a better team from now on. But how this plays out in the end, nobody knows. Lazio and some other teams are strong and have their chances, but I wouldn't be shocked if it's a totally different team other than those expected to win the title.

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It's difficult to achieve the Sir Alex Ferguson era and maybe there is little chance for other coaches to be able to achieve what he gave to Manchester United. Fans and management must expect a new era for the club's success but so far no coach has been able to provide that. Amorim is expected to be able to bring about much more significant changes and maybe be able to provide better results with his hard work. I'm not that optimistic but he needs to be given a chance because changing a team to be better is not an easy job.

The opportunity has indeed been given to Amorim this season although the fans also do not need to expect more from Amorim because he also needs to get used to the current Premier League and also with the players who are already in the team so it is true as you said that changing a team that was once slumped is indeed not an easy job for anyone, especially if the team is in a fairly fierce League like the Premier League. Besides that I also think that Manchester United fans do not have to expect an era like Sir Alex Ferguson to be repeated at Manchester United because now the era is very different and many previous generations of players have retired at this time.

I had read a statement from Amorim before, he said that no MU manager since Ferguson retired was able to emulate his success, Amorim also said that his team should play with more enthusiasm without imitating Sir Alex Ferguson's golden years. So, we can conclude that Amorim has his own ideas to not be in the shadow of Sir Alex Ferguson. Amorim's first debut with United was not so impressive, I mean they only got 1 point. So, Amorim needs time at least to bring United to the level of play he wants. It's not easy, we all know that Manchester United's situation is not ordinary. Which Amorim will need time, especially to approach and introduce the programs he carries. Let's just look at Amorim's second match with United, where they will play against Bodo Glimt in the continuation of the Europa League group stage. On paper United should be able to win, but this is a challenging match for Amorim in a competition other than the Premier League. In order for them to regain their spirit and mentality, Amorim and his team need a win. Well, let's wait.

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Quote from: len01 on November 22, 2024, 05:35:25 PM

Since last week we only discussed Man United, while we were not aware that there were some teams that had a greater opportunity to get a degree at the UEL.
We see from the odds given by bookmakers, it seems that Spurs have a great chance to succeed in getting a trophy and Man United to be the second team that has the opportunity to get a degree.
On the one hand Lazio, Ajax and Galatasaray actually have a much better appearance at this time.
Then do you think Spurs and Man United will really be the strongest candidate in this competition?

The book makers and now making some determinants for certain persons forgetting that just like us, the book makers doesn't know for sure who's going to win the Europa League title. I even at some point have a feeling that Manchester United or even the spurs may not win as they now have all the attention, a small team whose got almost no attention and expectations would gradually climb the table and before it will be realized, they are already at the finals trying to win the trophy again this time.so I believe it's better to keep a probable open mind.

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Quote from: Frankolala on November 24, 2024, 03:25:09 PM

I will say Sir Alex Ferguson reign was the glorious days of Manchester united, because he bought those players that you mentioned and made the team. However, I think Amorim might be able to build a strong team in the nearest future because from the request of players that he needs to bring into the club shows that he can make it happen. This is his debute match and he needs time to build his team.

If United club management is willing to grant Amorim's request by bringing in the players he wants and succeeding shortly. Of course, there will be high expectations and also high demands from club management to Amorim in a short time. While with the current squad, he can do his best. The consideration is that Ruud van Nistelrooy can do it with the current squad, with good team performance. So it would be natural if there would be supporters who have high hopes for Amorim's arrival which will bring changes to United's game performance.

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It's difficult to achieve the Sir Alex Ferguson era and maybe there is little chance for other coaches to be able to achieve what he gave to Manchester United. Fans and management must expect a new era for the club's success but so far no coach has been able to provide that. Amorim is expected to be able to bring about much more significant changes and maybe be able to provide better results with his hard work. I'm not that optimistic but he needs to be given a chance because changing a team to be better is not an easy job.

The opportunity has indeed been given to Amorim this season although the fans also do not need to expect more from Amorim because he also needs to get used to the current Premier League and also with the players who are already in the team so it is true as you said that changing a team that was once slumped is indeed not an easy job for anyone, especially if the team is in a fairly fierce League like the Premier League. Besides that I also think that Manchester United fans do not have to expect an era like Sir Alex Ferguson to be repeated at Manchester United because now the era is very different and many previous generations of players have retired at this time.

Manchester United’s legendary period is very hard to repeat. Because they had the best players in every position from goalkeeper to forward. Young Cristiano Ronaldo was also effective in this. Other important players of Manchester United were Scholes, Giggs, Van der Sar, Van Nistelrooy, Rooney. It is not very likely that they will be able to form a similar squad again. However, fans still want to watch a Manchester United that will play in the top ranks of the Premier League.

I will say Sir Alex Ferguson reign was the glorious days of Manchester united, because he bought those players that you mentioned and made the team. However, I think Amorim might be able to build a strong team in the nearest future because from the request of players that he needs to bring into the club shows that he can make it happen. This is his debute match and he needs time to build his team.

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Quote from: boltz on November 24, 2024, 12:26:42 PM

Nah , I don't see Ajax having real chances to actually win Europa League because their current team is far from what we're used to see from Ajax. Yea , they can achieve a quarter final or something similar but I doubt they can achieve semi-finals or the final. However, Lazio are my favorites to win a trophy and this year might be their best chance to win it because this team is playing right now the most offensive football in this competition and it's up to them to prove me right. I also cannot exclude Spurs from winning a trophy but then again , it's Spurs and they are scared of trophies. Grin

In terms of chances, they have the opportunity to become champions in the European League, but it will depend on themselves, whether they will be able to play well until the end of the competition or they will experience a decline.
However, it is too early to talk about who will be the champion, including Ajax. Because this is still in the league round which is still very far from being in the final round to compete for the championship title.
Luck may also affect them, because in the last 16 they will draw to meet which team in the last 16. So let's just enjoy the current competition.

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Quote from: Dickiy on November 24, 2024, 07:43:44 AM

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I really appreciate the main candidates like Spurs and Man United, but honestly I feel stronger thinking about Lazio, Ajax and Galatasaray as the strongest candidates here. Although experience is one of the main factors for a team to win a trophy, we also have to consider the appearance and performance of other teams that are more consistent.
If we look at the performance of the three teams I mentioned, they also have good results in the Serie A, Eredivisie and Turkish league competitions.
We remember last season Leverkusen was the strongest candidate but it turned out that Atalanta won the UEL title. And this is one example that the 3 teams in the top 3 have a big chance to win the title.

I will not rule out ajax and lazio even though the English league clubs are more favored. I am happy to see every appearance of them in the europa league this season I hope they can go further and maintain their consistency which has been going very well. On the other hand galatasaray also cannot be underestimated since the arrival of osimhen they are more aggressive but I still doubt whether they will be able to survive long in this competition.

Nah , I don't see Ajax having real chances to actually win Europa League because their current team is far from what we're used to see from Ajax. Yea , they can achieve a quarter final or something similar but I doubt they can achieve semi-finals or the final. However, Lazio are my favorites to win a trophy and this year might be their best chance to win it because this team is playing right now the most offensive football in this competition and it's up to them to prove me right. I also cannot exclude Spurs from winning a trophy but then again , it's Spurs and they are scared of trophies. Grin

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Quote from: MarjorieZimmermanGinger on November 23, 2024, 11:29:41 PM

It's difficult to achieve the Sir Alex Ferguson era and maybe there is little chance for other coaches to be able to achieve what he gave to Manchester United. Fans and management must expect a new era for the club's success but so far no coach has been able to provide that. Amorim is expected to be able to bring about much more significant changes and maybe be able to provide better results with his hard work. I'm not that optimistic but he needs to be given a chance because changing a team to be better is not an easy job.

The opportunity has indeed been given to Amorim this season although the fans also do not need to expect more from Amorim because he also needs to get used to the current Premier League and also with the players who are already in the team so it is true as you said that changing a team that was once slumped is indeed not an easy job for anyone, especially if the team is in a fairly fierce League like the Premier League. Besides that I also think that Manchester United fans do not have to expect an era like Sir Alex Ferguson to be repeated at Manchester United because now the era is very different and many previous generations of players have retired at this time.

Manchester United’s legendary period is very hard to repeat. Because they had the best players in every position from goalkeeper to forward. Young Cristiano Ronaldo was also effective in this. Other important players of Manchester United were Scholes, Giggs, Van der Sar, Van Nistelrooy, Rooney. It is not very likely that they will be able to form a similar squad again. However, fans still want to watch a Manchester United that will play in the top ranks of the Premier League.

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Quote from: Dickiy on November 24, 2024, 07:43:44 AM

I will not rule out ajax and lazio even though the English league clubs are more favored. I am happy to see every appearance of them in the europa league this season I hope they can go further and maintain their consistency which has been going very well. On the other hand galatasaray also cannot be underestimated since the arrival of osimhen they are more aggressive but I still doubt whether they will be able to survive long in this competition.

Why are you doubting if they can be able to survive for long, there are not many teams that can defeat Galatasary in the Europa league competition. They have a very good striker that's Victor Osimhen and he can single handedly help the club to win games as he can score goals in moments that matters the most. The premier league clubs has the highest chances of winning the tournament but that doesn't mean that there are no other teams that can challenge them too. I think we'll be surprised by the team that'll win the Europa league this season. No premier league team is topping the table or in the top 5, it's just Tottenham representing right now.

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Quote from: Fara Chan on November 24, 2024, 01:48:29 AM

Quote from: MarjorieZimmermanGinger on November 23, 2024, 11:29:41 PM

It's difficult to achieve the Sir Alex Ferguson era and maybe there is little chance for other coaches to be able to achieve what he gave to Manchester United. Fans and management must expect a new era for the club's success but so far no coach has been able to provide that. Amorim is expected to be able to bring about much more significant changes and maybe be able to provide better results with his hard work. I'm not that optimistic but he needs to be given a chance because changing a team to be better is not an easy job.

The opportunity has indeed been given to Amorim this season although the fans also do not need to expect more from Amorim because he also needs to get used to the current Premier League and also with the players who are already in the team so it is true as you said that changing a team that was once slumped is indeed not an easy job for anyone, especially if the team is in a fairly fierce League like the Premier League. Besides that I also think that Manchester United fans do not have to expect an era like Sir Alex Ferguson to be repeated at Manchester United because now the era is very different and many previous generations of players have retired at this time.

I wonder how or what Amorim feels for leaving Sporting, because Amorim managed to make Sporting in the second place in the Champion League standings. But, Amorim still accepted Manchester United's offer which in fact Manchester United had poor results this season, in the Premier League and also in the Europa League. Of course, its difficult to start from scratch and also need adaptation is not at all easy, and requires a very extra effort for Amorim to make Manchester United better this season. Thus, it seems that I personally am still not so sure Amorim will quickly improve Manchester United's performance this season.

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Quote from: Dickiy on November 24, 2024, 07:43:44 AM

I will not rule out ajax and lazio even though the English league clubs are more favored. I am happy to see every appearance of them in the europa league this season I hope they can go further and maintain their consistency which has been going very well. On the other hand galatasaray also cannot be underestimated since the arrival of osimhen they are more aggressive but I still doubt whether they will be able to survive long in this competition.

I have loved ajax much long before now when they did used to have very awesome performance in their domestic league and even beyond their domestic leagues they also put up some really wonderful performance, in the Europa i had hope they will be able to get a chance at the Europa which i believe i they put their mind to it, most definitely they will be bale to gradually get to that point but then the spurs and united have been the top favorite but anything can still happen.

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Quote from: Dickiy on November 24, 2024, 07:43:44 AM

I will not rule out ajax and lazio even though the English league clubs are more favored. I am happy to see every appearance of them in the europa league this season I hope they can go further and maintain their consistency which has been going very well. On the other hand galatasaray also cannot be underestimated since the arrival of osimhen they are more aggressive but I still doubt whether they will be able to survive long in this competition.

The three teams you mentioned are teams that are already in a very good position in the Europa League standings this season after they have played four matches in the Europa League, meaning that the three teams will definitely continue to try to survive longer in the Europa League this season because they also want to advance to the next round after playing eight matches in this round. Lazio is a team that has found a better way of playing this season so that Lazio is not only able to compete in the Europa League, but is also able to compete fiercely in its own domestic league this season.

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Quote from: len01 on November 24, 2024, 04:52:54 AM

I really appreciate the main candidates like Spurs and Man United, but honestly I feel stronger thinking about Lazio, Ajax and Galatasaray as the strongest candidates here. Although experience is one of the main factors for a team to win a trophy, we also have to consider the appearance and performance of other teams that are more consistent.
If we look at the performance of the three teams I mentioned, they also have good results in the Serie A, Eredivisie and Turkish league competitions.
We remember last season Leverkusen was the strongest candidate but it turned out that Atalanta won the UEL title. And this is one example that the 3 teams in the top 3 have a big chance to win the title.

When it comes to European competitions, I think the experience of a team does matter as history have backed that claim. The clubs you listed I think are strong favorites to win the UEFA Europa League competition this season. Lazio have been the best performing team so far in the competition but my worry about them is if they'll be able to maintain consistency. Ajax and Galatasaray are two other teams that's been brilliant with their results as well as Tottenham Hotspur. Manchester United who is the most experienced amongst all the teams listed haven't been convincing like the others but with the arrival of their new manager Ruben Amorim who's proven to be a serial winner, I think they koe stand a good chance of challenging for the Europa League trophy.

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Quote from: Palakka on November 23, 2024, 12:59:22 PM

This season Lazio surprised us with their extraordinarily consistent performance, not only in Serie A, but they were also able to become a team that has a perfect win without a draw or losing in their 4 matches in the UEL at the moment, in my opinion, Lazio has a great chance to continue their dominance in the next match later, because the opponent they are facing is relatively not a strong team so far in the UEL, with consistent performance and the advantage of playing at home, of course, there is great potential for them to continue the unbeaten trend in fase semi league, if you look at Lazio performance and consistency, they seem to be worthy of our favorite as one of the candidates for the UEL championship this season.

Serie A teams are doing good job in UEFA events as they are bringing their good time back here Lazio performance is surely having surprising time because things were not perfect as their current performance before start of season they are having well-balanced squad which is pushing for staying at the top after four rounds and most chances we will be having them after five rounds as well because they are capable of giving their best.

In Serie A, we have good time as six teams are on same level of performance and things are clearly indicating we will have challenging end of them while all are giving their best for staying into top ranks Lazio could be surprise package into coming months of this season as they are playing currently in both big events.

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Quote from: len01 on November 24, 2024, 04:52:54 AM

I really appreciate the main candidates like Spurs and Man United, but honestly I feel stronger thinking about Lazio, Ajax and Galatasaray as the strongest candidates here. Although experience is one of the main factors for a team to win a trophy, we also have to consider the appearance and performance of other teams that are more consistent.
If we look at the performance of the three teams I mentioned, they also have good results in the Serie A, Eredivisie and Turkish league competitions.
We remember last season Leverkusen was the strongest candidate but it turned out that Atalanta won the UEL title. And this is one example that the 3 teams in the top 3 have a big chance to win the title.

I will not rule out ajax and lazio even though the English league clubs are more favored. I am happy to see every appearance of them in the europa league this season I hope they can go further and maintain their consistency which has been going very well. On the other hand galatasaray also cannot be underestimated since the arrival of osimhen they are more aggressive but I still doubt whether they will be able to survive long in this competition.

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I would say even if Tottenham and Manchester United are strong contenders for this year Europa league, it will be unwise to neglect other teams like Lazio, Athletic Bilbao, and Galatasaray. Despite the fact that the two English teams are the favourites on paper that doesn't mean that the trophy is guaranteed to either of them. Manchester United have been inconsistent this season. I think Manchester United could be one of the strongest candidate for the title because the Europa trophy is their only realistic chance at silverware this season.

I really appreciate the main candidates like Spurs and Man United, but honestly I feel stronger thinking about Lazio, Ajax and Galatasaray as the strongest candidates here. Although experience is one of the main factors for a team to win a trophy, we also have to consider the appearance and performance of other teams that are more consistent.
If we look at the performance of the three teams I mentioned, they also have good results in the Serie A, Eredivisie and Turkish league competitions.
We remember last season Leverkusen was the strongest candidate but it turned out that Atalanta won the UEL title. And this is one example that the 3 teams in the top 3 have a big chance to win the title.

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Quote from: MarjorieZimmermanGinger on November 23, 2024, 11:29:41 PM

It's difficult to achieve the Sir Alex Ferguson era and maybe there is little chance for other coaches to be able to achieve what he gave to Manchester United. Fans and management must expect a new era for the club's success but so far no coach has been able to provide that. Amorim is expected to be able to bring about much more significant changes and maybe be able to provide better results with his hard work. I'm not that optimistic but he needs to be given a chance because changing a team to be better is not an easy job.

The opportunity has indeed been given to Amorim this season although the fans also do not need to expect more from Amorim because he also needs to get used to the current Premier League and also with the players who are already in the team so it is true as you said that changing a team that was once slumped is indeed not an easy job for anyone, especially if the team is in a fairly fierce League like the Premier League. Besides that I also think that Manchester United fans do not have to expect an era like Sir Alex Ferguson to be repeated at Manchester United because now the era is very different and many previous generations of players have retired at this time.

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Quote from: hyudien on November 23, 2024, 11:10:20 PM

Like it or not, it will definitely happen, I mean when a team has a very great coach and brings it to a golden era, after he leaves, the coach who comes will always be in the shadow of the previous coach. Sir Alex Ferguson has achieved success with Manchester United in the past, after his era there has been no coach who has been able to bring Manchester United to the same success. The fans, management and people related to Manchester United will definitely always expect their new coach to at least be able to achieve the same success as Sir Alex Ferguson.
It's not wrong, it's a natural thing. However, with that kind of pressure on the coach becomes a challenge for them.

It's difficult to achieve the Sir Alex Ferguson era and maybe there is little chance for other coaches to be able to achieve what he gave to Manchester United. Fans and management must expect a new era for the club's success but so far no coach has been able to provide that. Amorim is expected to be able to bring about much more significant changes and maybe be able to provide better results with his hard work. I'm not that optimistic but he needs to be given a chance because changing a team to be better is not an easy job.

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