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Quote from: MK-74 on November 19, 2024, 03:35:18 PM

The match between Montenegro and Turkey is now 2-1. Turkey conceded two wrong goals.
For the 2nd goal Mert Günok made a mistake, he should have saved that goal.
The pitch is very bad, I don't understand how you can play ball on this pitch.

Without the pitch being bad let's tell ourselves the truth about the Turkey side, they are not good and they haven't been impressive at all. They hardly get a convincing win and I was surprised when the first ended 2-1 with Montenegro leading I just knew that Turkey can never come back even as they try to get an equalizer. Some how I prefer Wales to the Turkey side, they're are a bit better with the way they played tonight I saw a team that's growing but Turkey have a long way to go before they could be seen as a competitive team.

I agree with what you said, they definitely did not play well.
We have a lot of young talented players but they are not used correctly unfortunately. They will continue to play like this as long as Montella is there. Montella should definitely go and a Turkish coach should come in his place.
Sergen Yalçın may achieve great success in this team.

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Quote from: tsaroz on November 19, 2024, 06:24:07 PM

Turkey would have an easily gone to League A if they had defeated Montenegro today but now it's a much competitive path ahead.
The group stage of UEFA Nations League A and B has now been completed.

To be honest, I was not prepared to see such a result. I knew that the Turkish team was quite strong. At least stronger than Montenegro. Even in the previous match against Montenegro, Turkey won 1-0. But in today's match, Turkey lost 3-1.

Turkey was at the top of the points table so far. Even if they could share points with Montenegro, the top spot of the points table would probably have been occupied by Turkey. But at the moment, Turkey is in second place in the table. The top spot of the table is occupied by Wales with 12 points in 6 matches. Turkey will have to play a play-off to qualify for the next round.

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Quote from: tsaroz on November 19, 2024, 06:24:07 PM

Turkey would have an easily gone to League A if they had defeated Montenegro today but now it's a much competitive path ahead.

It's really hard to explain the last two games. To get barely 1 point in a fixture where 6 points should have been taken and to lose the lead and come second is a really big failure. The manager who took the field with the wrong tactics and squad, the ineptitude of the players and bad luck are all factors in this. For example, if Kerem had scored that penalty in the Wales match, most of these discussions wouldn't have taken place and the team would have been declared a success. Now from players to manager everyone is being criticized, as they should be.
Instead of beating Montenegro, finishing as group leaders and qualifying for League A, now there will be a play-off game and I'm not hopeful about that. The players in the team are good individually, but there is no phenomenon that can make this squad a "team". I think the atmosphere in the dressing room is problematic and maybe there needs to be a change in the manager and the federation to solve it, which doesn't seem to be the case at the moment.

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The Iceland team's early attacks were very difficult and they achieved success, but later on their organized play became sloppy. Iceland's players, however, after a long period of performance, were very weak towards the end, and Wales immediately took advantage of the counterattacking team.
And on this occasion they managed to score 4 goals in a row, taking their total attack count to 16 in the whole match and the opposite team attacking Iceland only 10. Liam Cullen He scored two goals with his leg magic but he missed enough chances to complete the hat trick. Still congrats to wales team as they are doing very well in this match and are very hard working players.

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Quote from: Lafu on November 19, 2024, 12:03:49 PM

Maybe its possible for Dalic to get the team ready for the next World Cup , there is a bit of time.
About the next stage yes it will be not getting easier for Croatia no matter who they will play against.

It was really dramatic watching the match between Croatia and Portugal yesterday, especially the moment when Croatia managed to equalize and ended in a draw, Modric really seemed to cry happily. I don't know, every time I see him on the field for the national team, at his age, it really makes me feel relieved emotionally. But indeed, in the quarter finals, the competition will be tighter and Dalic must really manage his team to be more prepared and be able to optimize their chances, because they will also face a national team that is certainly not easy.

Quote from: Majestic-milf on November 19, 2024, 05:03:17 PM

I had predicted earlier in the previous page or two that Germany vs Hungary game had the possibility of a draw and it eventually happened.

Blessed are those who bet on a draw in this match. Indeed, it is quite unreasonable if Germany does not win against Hungary. But here, they did not field the entire first tier national team, and also, whatever the result, Germany is certain to qualify as the top standing in their group, so it does not matter.

And now, we have found the top standing in each group.

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Turkey would have an easily gone to League A if they had defeated Montenegro today but now it's a much competitive path ahead.
The group stage of UEFA Nations League A and B has now been completed.
The teams that qualified for the quarter finals are Portugal, France, Germany and Spain as group leaders and Croatia, Italy, Netherlands and Denmark through second place. These 8 teams could be considered the top teams in Europe at the moment.
On League B, Czech Republic, England, Norway and Wales were the group leaders and got back their position on league A for next year. The third teams from League A, Scotland, Serbia, Hungary and Belgium would play the playoffs with 2nd placed teams in league B Greece, Austria, Turkey and Ukraine for a 2nd chance to remain in the top League.

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Quote from: MK-74 on November 19, 2024, 03:35:18 PM

The match between Montenegro and Turkey is now 2-1. Turkey conceded two wrong goals.
For the 2nd goal Mert Günok made a mistake, he should have saved that goal.
The pitch is very bad, I don't understand how you can play ball on this pitch.

But if I may ask, has this low performance by Turkey got to do with their formation? I think the 4-2-3-1 formation is making them become docile and not offensive enough to make goals. Conceded two goals at this critical time for them isn't also giving. On the other side, the 3-5-2 formation of the Montenegro team is a scary one as they seem to be unforgiven with their tight midfield and defensive while still allowing Krstovic and Jovetic lead the forward. Unlike the Turkish side, the Montenegro formation has yielded results with the 2 goals over 1 in the halftime. Let's see what the Turkish players got to do before the end of the game though.

I don't really believe that the bad pitch alone is a enough reason to capitalize on Turkiye lost to Montenegro, I would more aggree to Montenegro formation to be the major contributor here as both teams payed on same pitch. in many occasions it used to be difficult to penetrate a 3-5-2 formation, when the midfield is choked, with this kind of formation that Montenegro used, a 4-3-3 formation would have been more effective.

Turkiye should rebuild their team and management once for all. They were at the point of ending first then they lose against Montenegro? the last team in the group with no victory and just 1 goal scored in 5 games? Then suddenly Montenegro became good and knocked Turkiye by three goals? That was a huge mistake from them and might this defeat be the cause for a better team..

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Quote from: MK-74 on November 19, 2024, 03:35:18 PM

The match between Montenegro and Turkey is now 2-1. Turkey conceded two wrong goals.
For the 2nd goal Mert Günok made a mistake, he should have saved that goal.
The pitch is very bad, I don't understand how you can play ball on this pitch.

Haha this is a surprise, when almost all of us think Turkiye will win to become group winner but the fact is they were defeated by Montenegro teams that had never won before, Indeed a bad day can come at any time or whether Turkiye avoids group winner? I mean to avoid opponents in the next round. Indeed, in this last fight we see many surprises and some strong teams only draw like Portugal and Germany and Spain almost did the same thing, fortunately they scored in the last second.

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Quote from: MK-74 on November 19, 2024, 03:35:18 PM

The match between Montenegro and Turkey is now 2-1. Turkey conceded two wrong goals.
For the 2nd goal Mert Günok made a mistake, he should have saved that goal.
The pitch is very bad, I don't understand how you can play ball on this pitch.

But if I may ask, has this low performance by Turkey got to do with their formation? I think the 4-2-3-1 formation is making them become docile and not offensive enough to make goals. Conceded two goals at this critical time for them isn't also giving. On the other side, the 3-5-2 formation of the Montenegro team is a scary one as they seem to be unforgiven with their tight midfield and defensive while still allowing Krstovic and Jovetic lead the forward. Unlike the Turkish side, the Montenegro formation has yielded results with the 2 goals over 1 in the halftime. Let's see what the Turkish players got to do before the end of the game though.

I don't really believe that the bad pitch alone is a enough reason to capitalize on Turkiye lost to Montenegro, I would more aggree to Montenegro formation to be the major contributor here as both teams payed on same pitch. in many occasions it used to be difficult to penetrate a 3-5-2 formation, when the midfield is choked, with this kind of formation that Montenegro used, a 4-3-3 formation would have been more effective.

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Quote from: MK-74 on November 19, 2024, 03:35:18 PM

The match between Montenegro and Turkey is now 2-1. Turkey conceded two wrong goals.
For the 2nd goal Mert Günok made a mistake, he should have saved that goal.
The pitch is very bad, I don't understand how you can play ball on this pitch.

Without the pitch being bad let's tell ourselves the truth about the Turkey side, they are not good and they haven't been impressive at all. They hardly get a convincing win and I was surprised when the first ended 2-1 with Montenegro leading I just knew that Turkey can never come back even as they try to get an equalizer. Some how I prefer Wales to the Turkey side, they're are a bit better with the way they played tonight I saw a team that's growing but Turkey have a long way to go before they could be seen as a competitive team.

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I had predicted earlier in the previous page or two that Germany vs Hungary game had the possibility of a draw and it eventually happened. If you checked the stats of the game, you would notice that the hosts were the ones applying much pressure because they needed the points more than anything and had some chances at goal that were parried away by either the defense or the keeper else I feel that they should have won the game.
Hungary aren't such a team that packs threats but when they are pushed against the wall, you see them bringing out their best and although Germany had nothing to lose, they couldn't properly assert their dominance in the game.

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Türkiye played very badly and lost. Montella needs to go now, the squad and player changes were very wrong.
The referee and the pitch were very bad, he should have given a red card but he did nothing.
We lost to Montenegro for the first time in our history.
We will play a play-off to advance to the next round, let's see who our opponent will be.

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Quote from: slaman29 on November 19, 2024, 07:42:15 AM

This forum has many Croatian supporters, but I think the time has really come for someone to realize this team is not worthy of their FIFA ranking. Every now and then getting a great game is not gonna sustain any team for long.

I watched this Kramaric though last year, he was pretty awesome. Sometimes you keep playing the 1 guy hoping he is just having a bad season and gonna shake it off.

Croatia are going through a generational change and are unlikely to be as consistently good as in previous years, but that doesn't mean they don't live up to the rating. And overall, this rating is complete nonsense - remind me how many titles (or at least achievements) Belgium has won? And they were in first place for quite a long time.

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What an interesting team the Turkish National Team is. While everything in the group was in its hands, it lost the group leadership in the last two matches. Couldn't beat Wales on their home field. They conceded 3 goals from Montenegro, which had scored 1 goal in five matches and had no points, and lost the group leadership.
Now, they will play a play-off with one of the third-place finishers in Group A to advance to Group A.
In a parenthesis, I would like to talk about Montenegro's field. It was very bad when the field saw the rain. This disrupted the passing rhythm of the Turkish National Team.

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Quote from: jaberwock on November 19, 2024, 03:31:42 PM

Spain managed to get a lot of good players, and they should be thankful to Barcelona once again, they are bringing in so many great talented young players, mainly Yamal that kid is basically 15 years of right wing for Spain that is not a simple thing to achieve and they did that, which is awesome and I believe without a doubt the best talent to come to Spain in a long long time.

Right now he is said to be injured, I feel like he is not really injured but they are playing a lot of games during a season so maybe Barcelona just wanted to rest him, dude played all year last year and then played at euro during the summer for Spain, and then started the season back up again, he didn't had any proper resting, so during the season he has to be rested and that's why Barcelona is probably doing right now. That's sort of injury too, saying "if I do not rest and play, I will be hurt worse" is injury, resting will make that better and he will get back to playing for club.

I don't think they managed to get those players, but they actually deserves those players. After the era of Ramos, Iniesta, Xavi and others, we where quite concerned with how they will get the next talent, but all of a sudden, talents started springing forth from different clubs. It's very true that barce have been doing a great job in terms of producing talents, and the amusing thing is that yamal won't be the only young talent that we will see. I believe we all know curbarsi(17years old) that plays as a CB in barce. That's another talent that i've enjoyed watching. we also have talents like Balde and Torre that i believe will find their way into the spanish national team replacing older players like laporte and others.

We haven't seen much from madrid lately, but i believe they might have some of these talents in their academy that are waiting to be promoted. And just to add, Yamal is actually 17 and not 15.

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Quote from: MK-74 on November 19, 2024, 03:35:18 PM

The match between Montenegro and Turkey is now 2-1. Turkey conceded two wrong goals.
For the 2nd goal Mert Günok made a mistake, he should have saved that goal.
The pitch is very bad, I don't understand how you can play ball on this pitch.

I can't believe this score right now. We are playing really badly and I also agree about the pitch quality. It is like a potato field. I don't know how UEFA is letting matches to be played on such horrible pitches. Sad

Of course I'm not saying this to make an excuse. We should still improve our performance. There is no acceptable side of losing to the team in the last place of the group tonight. If the matches in the group end like now we are going to lose the 1st place.

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Quote from: MK-74 on November 19, 2024, 03:35:18 PM

The match between Montenegro and Turkey is now 2-1. Turkey conceded two wrong goals.
For the 2nd goal Mert Günok made a mistake, he should have saved that goal.
The pitch is very bad, I don't understand how you can play ball on this pitch.

But if I may ask, has this low performance by Turkey got to do with their formation? I think the 4-2-3-1 formation is making them become docile and not offensive enough to make goals. Conceded two goals at this critical time for them isn't also giving. On the other side, the 3-5-2 formation of the Montenegro team is a scary one as they seem to be unforgiven with their tight midfield and defensive while still allowing Krstovic and Jovetic lead the forward. Unlike the Turkish side, the Montenegro formation has yielded results with the 2 goals over 1 in the halftime. Let's see what the Turkish players got to do before the end of the game though.

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The match between Montenegro and Turkey is now 2-1. Turkey conceded two wrong goals.
For the 2nd goal Mert Günok made a mistake, he should have saved that goal.
The pitch is very bad, I don't understand how you can play ball on this pitch.

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Quote from: Helena Yu on November 18, 2024, 11:25:49 PM

Spain might be the strongest team in the next 5-10 years because their squad are full of young players and these young players already able to compete with the senior players. Currently, France is the strongest team, they have full of star players, in prime ages and have physical advantages.

Props to Switzerland, it's quite surprising, even they don't have star players, but they can compete against strong teams.

Spain managed to get a lot of good players, and they should be thankful to Barcelona once again, they are bringing in so many great talented young players, mainly Yamal that kid is basically 15 years of right wing for Spain that is not a simple thing to achieve and they did that, which is awesome and I believe without a doubt the best talent to come to Spain in a long long time.

Right now he is said to be injured, I feel like he is not really injured but they are playing a lot of games during a season so maybe Barcelona just wanted to rest him, dude played all year last year and then played at euro during the summer for Spain, and then started the season back up again, he didn't had any proper resting, so during the season he has to be rested and that's why Barcelona is probably doing right now. That's sort of injury too, saying "if I do not rest and play, I will be hurt worse" is injury, resting will make that better and he will get back to playing for club.

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Quote from: LTU_btc on November 19, 2024, 01:36:07 PM

Didn't regret that I watch Liechtenstein - San Marino game yesterday. Maybe strange choice to watch, but every day you see San Marino winning away, scoring 3 goals and get promoted to Division C. And in whole history it's just 2nd win for San Marino. And both these wins were achieved in recent 2 months. And how they played yesterday, they dominated completely. Probably after such game today in San Marino was day-off Cheesy

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Certainly an odd choice to pick out the many games that are available to watch, I mean what made me even notice this game was the fact that one of the teams actually made history as they recorded a win because I can swear I have never seen san Marino win a game before and plus the fact that they even scored three goals is something extraordinary for me 😃😱

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