Topic: Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ - page 35. (Read 935190 times)

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We don't need "rules" we need "enforcement". Fair enforcement. A better sticky would be a rating system or evaulation system of Moderators so that we can have some feedback from the community on what we WANT from our mods. The real breakdown is not what is over the line it is the inconsistency of moderation. You want to see improved systems?

Do what students do at the University level:

http://www.oir.uconn.edu/onlineset/onlineset.html

I double dare you to implement this.

Biggest ways to improve the system.

1. Regular feedback and reporting of inconsistency in the moderation activity from the community.
2. Regular review of feedback by the admins of the forum and to train and or remove ineffective moderators.
3. REMOVE THE DEFAULT TRUST and let TRUST be open to all no hierarchy. Too much time is wasted on who is or isn't on the default list.
4. Have a wider range of volunteers as mods not just friends of friends / old boys and have a mentoring system for mods in place.
5. REMOVE ALL PAID SIGNATURES. Causes unusual amount of spam.
6. REMOVE ALL PAID IN THREAD ADS see Dogies guides as an example. Causes an unusual amount of spam.

That alone will help REDUCE the amount of needless moderation required and mods and admins can them work on more pressing issues. Too much time devoted to this is allowing the quality of the forums to degrade. More noise less signal.

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Removed at the request of Moderators however it was done in protest.

Thank you for the replies. As I said, exposing their scams(if any) is fine and I have no problem but Bicknellski is hijacking most threads IMHO. Maybe, the way I understood about thread-hijacking is wrong.

PatSNL is right.  MZ is, ironically, accusing Bicknellski of breaking a forum rule for being off-topic, but accusations are off-topic here.  So, I have to lol.

Well that really depends on what your opinion of what hijacking a thread is.  If it's posting off-topic, then yes, you are right, that is against the forum rules (in the first post in this thread).  On posting off-topic, I've seen you do that a few times before.  I've seen QS do it as well.  I've seen Dogie do it A LOT.  The mods seem rather selective on who gets in trouble for that.

For another possibility of your definition of hijacking a thread, if for example, I make a thread that it's my opinion that all miner manufacturers must make the outside of their miners purple, and you become the major participate in the thread (but you are posting on-topic), I don't see anything against that, in the rules, nor in my opinion either.

I would think if the intent of your post is about your opinion that Bicknellski is attacking Quickseller and Dogie, that should be posted in Meta and is off-topic in this thread (which is against forum rules).  If the intent of your post is about questioning a user breaking forum rules, I think this is the right place.  You should separate those 2 concepts into the proper board areas, so you don't break the forum rules.

I don't think he is usually successful in hijacking the various threads he posts in so maybe not. I would say that it would be more accurate to say that he is a chronic off topic poster.

Also FWIW, a good number of the threads that he posts about me in would not normally even be read by me if it wasn't for others making me aware of his posts. I think he just likes to slander other people's names.

Isn't Bicknellski* a thread hijacker? He hijack most threads to attack QS and Dogie. Exposing their scams(if any) is ok but he hijacks every threads. I thought this is against forum rule but I don't see any action by mods. I hope he got a warning.

* https://bitcointalksearch.org/user/bicknellski-76550

No you can post everywhere, Newbie jail is no longer active.

So... I am still a newbie member and I can see that I can only post in a few sections (like Beginners & Help) but all other sections are not open to me for posting replies.

Does it mean I will be able to post only in Beginners section until I become a Junior member?

If it qualifies as a "+1" post it probably is considered too low quality to be kept. If its a bit more, e.g. adds a reason why in your opinion this is great news and how you relate to etc. it will probably not get removed. Keep in mind that the idea of this board is to discuss topics. This includes agreeing with someone, but there would a reason why you agree with someone and you should post that.


Yes, thats why I did not read that section for a while. I did start to read there again, but I tend to unwatch posts relatively quick. Its also difficult to judge. Someone might rephrase a post, but add another point or a different perspective on things. Its one of the highest forms of spam if you will and thus hard to detect.

This happens and I have seen it too. I replied to all questions in that post, well, I don't think that would be a spam. However, if a user, for example me, only reply to the last question, it will be a spam but sometimes it won't be a spam. Rephrasing post in simpler words if the first answer is complex or if there is additional valuable information won't be a spam but if a user does this a lot, then these posts will also be considered spam. Shorena already mentioned this:


This sort of behavior is high in Beginners & Help.

Dear Moderators,

Serious question, if I make a post that isn't interesting enough and it gets deleted, is that considered breaking a rule? Is it a rule is to actually make every single post interesting and/or valuable? (in an already existing thread, obviously no "worthless" threads should be started)

I do try to make interesting/valuable posts, but sometimes I might just reply in a positive way about some great event happening. Say, we worked very hard on something for months, "Great news" or something like that, and I notice it gets deleted. Seems bizarre, and totalitarian by any possible objective measure, but if this is to cut down on spam I guess I get it. I just want to understand the logic or bias that is in action here. Thanks for any information. Not trying to break any rules, just want to understand them. This place is strange, sorry, but it is.

Thank you for the feedback.  I appreciate it.

Rephrasing is a form of spam. I collect those posts and report them to BadBear directly if a user does it constantly.

On this topic of double-posting and whatnot, what about posting the exact same information that someone has just posted above you.  I notice this from a lot of signature-advertizers.  Someone will give an answer to a question, then 4 more people will reanswer it with the same information in a new phrasing.  Not to single out MZ (it's just a relevant and handy example), but this just happened right above.   MZ writes:


This is two posts below this reply:

1. Posting twice in a row isn't double posting. You can do it as long as both have different points. But replying to posts one by one and if it is small, this maybe considered as boosting post count and will be merged.

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Example:

Bob: I like pizza.
Bob: I also like pie

^^^ This will be considered as double-posting and is spam. Second post can be avoided using 'edit' button.

2. Even making exact post in two different threads is not against forum rule if they aren't

   - Off topic.
   - Low or zero value.
   - Referral link spam -- there are exceptions for posting referral links.

* Hope I didn't miss any.


It depends on the post.


Posting exact posts in all threads are spam. However, making two or three exact posts in relevant threads are okay.


Click 'Report to moderator' button in lower right of the post you want to report and type the reason in the field in the loaded page.

I appreciate the thoughts, but they unfortunately don't answer the heart of my questions.

Could a moderator or staff hopefully respond?

1. Posting twice in a thread is consecutive posting (double posting) and the posts get merged if noticed by the MOD. It's like bumping a thread twice within 24 hours which isn't allowed.

2. You can report those posts if they are duplicates but it's not called double posting I guess.

I can't answer the questions (1) and (2), but on the bolded part (how to tell a mod), just click the "report to moderator" text you see at the bottom right of every post.  It's quite useful and (as far as I know) the mods appreciate the help.

I'm not clear on what double posting really is.

1 - Is it posting twice in a row in thread?  As Shorena already mentioned, I also don't have a problem with that, when it is addressing different points in the same thread, or to break up a long post.

OR

2 - Is it posting the same information (even exact duplicate) in 2 different threads?

Guess I should ask more clearly: if both, either or neither (1 & 2) are allowed?

I've seen a user this week, do some back to back posts, that were really odd - just quoting previous posts he'd made in the same thread.  That isn't appropriate, right?  (necro-posting)  If not, what is the best way to bring it to the attention of a moderator?

Thanks.

Got it!  Thanks for the clarifications, folks.