Topic: Unstoppable wallet {User experiences} - page 12. (Read 4329 times)

Not that I can find. It's still displaying a bunch of coins that you cannot add and everything else is just scroll though the list.
I really don't understand their logic unless there was a lot more planned to happen faster and then it just didn't happen.

But a definitive list, or at least a list with a date of making the list and supported coins at that time would be nice.

I tried it a while ago, and it didn't work for me, tried back in January when I posted and again did not have support for some crap coins I use and I just took a look now and still does not support some basic ones. May check back sooner or later, but if they don't want to bother supporting some popular alts, as I said above it's going to really slow down the adoption of their app as people look for something that does.

-Dave

This sounds intriguing - will check it out.

Any more user experience reports since last post from January?

I tried to find a list of supported shit-coins and tokens, but their website doesn't seem to give away much.
Their FAQ seems to only talk about Bitcoin, Ethereum and Binance-Chain. In the video I also see Solana, Polygon Dash and a few more, though.

Isn't that just the price you pay for privacy? I once checked a years-old backup of Bitcoin Wallet (on my old phone), and it took days to sync. I'm not sure how it works, but if this means they wallet's server doesn't know my addresses, it's worth the wait.

As i mentioned earlier, Unstoppable wallet is SPV wallet using BIP 37[1]. It means this wallet connect to random node to obtain necessary data[2-3]. But BIP 37 is outdated and has privacy flaws[4].

[1] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-ios/issues/3984
[2] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/blob/6684a2d7882b30da5ea530fbd9a0567e8f41f161/fastlane/metadata/android/en-US/full_description.txt#L25
[3] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-android/blob/6684a2d7882b30da5ea530fbd9a0567e8f41f161/app/src/main/res/values/strings.xml#L788-L801
[4] https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP37_privacy_problems

You are asking valid questions, but maybe it would be best to direct those questions to the developers and the people who created the wallet. GitHub is one point of reference, or you could email the team of Horizontal Systems through https://horizontalsystems.io/. If transparency and fairness is important to them, I don't see why they would ignore you and not provide the information you are looking for.

I see that the wallet is open source, but why isn't the server software available for review, regardless of it's licensing?  Again, I may have missed it while I perusing their GitHub, but I dug fairly deep and didn't see anything relating the SPV server they use to connect wallets to nodes.  Claims of "genuine privacy" and "decentralized" that are not only unsubstantiated, but also used in ways that come off as deceptive makes me nervous.  This is the kind of stuff that breeds distrust in the cryptosphere.

I want to apologies to Husires for not following his local rule; i.e. I did not download, install, or use the wallet app, and I will not until my concerns about these claims are addressed.  Honestly, I'm growing more suspicious of this service, and the pretty website and polished-looking app isn't helping.

That's good enough. 3 blocks deep is already safe enough in my opinion. I wouldn't worry about it.

When did you first install and create your wallet? I played around with Unstoppable back in November/December. Seed backup was needed back then. Maybe you worked with an older version where they didn't have that requirement yet.

The most important word here is keeping. Servers exist and you interact with them, but the developers are saying your information doesn't get logged and stored. Despite the wallet's open-source nature, this is not something you can check. I don't think you can. Their servers may or may not be logging everything you do. I wonder how they could prove that isn't the case

Thank you for bringing this up, I hadn't heard of this wallet before.  After doing a bit of reading I came up with a few questions, but the most critical pertains to this claim:


The claim makes it sound like you don't need to connect to a server, but how could that be possible?  How do you transact with a blockchain without connecting to a server or a full node?  My admittedly limited knowledge gives me the impression that, technically speaking that is not possible.  Certainly no one is running full nodes for each coin on their mobile device.  That would be impractical.

Then I got to thinking about the semantics of the claim, and that made me a bit suspicious: "There are no servers keeping user accounts or any kind of identifiers."  So a server does exist, but it doesn't log sensitive information?  If so, who's running the server, Horizontal Systems?  Doesn't that make it centralized?

If Horizontal Systems is running the server software, is it available for peer review?  Can I run a server myself?  I don't see a server package listed in Horizontal Systems' GitHub, maybe I just didn't look hard enough.

Have you tried Harpy for Twitter? (however, it may come an end due to this) and Infinity for Reddit?

There are more alternatives to these two and to almost all popular services.

1) https://github.com/pluja/awesome-privacy#reddit

2) https://github.com/Lissy93/awesome-privacy

3) https://github.com/digitalblossom/alternative-frontends

4) https://github.com/mendel5/alternative-front-ends

Links to all these github pages cause each includes something that is excluded in other.

Why? If there are no issues or bugs there is no reason for them to push a new build.

Outside of that if you are really concerned about privacy and security you are probably better pulling the APK from developers site, checksuming it and verifying the signatures and installing it, or going one step past there compiling it yourself.

And, obviously as others have said they are missing a lot of wallets that are open source (electrum)

Until they get some of the more popular alts added, and make some other changes, I don't think they are going to gain much traction.

-Dave

Since you have serious privacy concern, i'd like to mention it Unstoppable wallet currently use BIP37 to obtain data from full node which is vulnerable to deanonymization[1].


IMO Samourai[2] is also decent option, although in past it has some controversy. Electrum is good option if you don't care about it's dated UI.

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[1] https://github.com/horizontalsystems/unstoppable-wallet-ios/issues/3984
[2] https://samouraiwallet.com/download/fdroid

Guess I did not explain properly.  I meant that F-Droid only has a few Wallets for Cryptocurrencies so there are not many options you get.  But Unstoppable Wallet is on there and that is amazing!  For example.  I just opened up F-Droid and searched for Cryptocurrency Wallets.  The results are as following,

Unstoppable Wallet (updated within last month) (supports multiple Cryptocurrencies)
Bitcoin Wallet (updated a month ago) (only for Bitcoin)
Green Blockstream Wallet (updated almost 6 months ago) (multiple Cryptocurrencies)

These are all the options I have.  There are a few more but I would not touch a Wallet that has last been updated more than half an year ago.

I believe the confirmation status changes to Confirmed after the third block confirmation.  Your suggestion would be great indeed.

You know what!  I created a new account to test this out and you are right!  I can not even get a Receiving Address unless I back up my Seed Phrase.  Yet, I can use another Wallet I already have.  Does this mean I have already done the Backup someday?  Now I am so confused!

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I chose not to install Closed Source applications on my phone.  I did test Aurora Store before and it works just perfect for some body who wants just to move away from Google.  IzzyOnDroid and Droid-ify, I have no idea about.  Will have to check them out.

The issue is not about having or not having GS or replacements for the Services installed.  It is that Open Source is not a very demanded type of software today.  So if I want an actually good Wallet, I have little options.  How many actually useful and good Open Source Bitcoin Wallets are there?  Count Mycelium and Unstoppable and you got to about half of the truly decent ones already.

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Regards,
PrivacyG

You can also use open source AuroraStore if you want to use some apps that are not open source, and there are good alternatives for F-Droid as well, like IzzyOnDroid and Droid-ify that have more apps.
Good option is to install apps directly from github source, it can be set up to auto-update as well with some workarounds, and that way you can install most Bitcoin wallets.

I don't know what degoogled phone you own, but Pixels with GrapheneOS work almost with everything, they even have imitation of all google services.

It's important to mention that Unstoppable wallet is audited several times, and WalletScrutiny verified it can be reproduced from open source code.
Good thing is that I see new wallets are coming out that following similar path, and competition is always good to have.

You can also download the APK file of Unstoppable Wallet from GitHub. I assume that would work even on your deGoogled phone. Or you can get it using a desktop machine and transfer it to your phone through cable, Bluetooth, or whatever.    

Firefox is open-source. You could access your Twitter and Reddit accounts using Firefox without any app by just using the browser. But I am guessing your problem is with these platforms and not in the way you access them.

Does the status of the transaction change to confirmed after the 1st block confirmation your transaction gets or does the app wait for 2, 3, or maybe more? Would be great if the numbers could be adjusted through the settings. At least then you would know the minimum number of confirmations the transaction has.

Use a blockchain explorer that works through TOR. I think blockchair does, but I am not sure.

That means you can even skip and ignore the warnings when you try to generate a new BTC address. I remember they ask you to make a backup first, but since you have avoided it and still used your wallet for transactions, they obviously don't ask you to reenter the words as proof they are backed up.

I probably have a not so relatable experience with you guys.  Because many of you have a normal phone with default apps and download stuff through the default Google or Apple app store.  But I will share my experience anyway

You can not imagine how thankful I am for Unstoppable Wallet developers doing their job.  I can not be thankful enough for the existence of this application.

I own a de Googled Android phone.  My only app store is F-Droid, which only publishes fully Open Source applications.  Yes.  This means a LOT of the widely used applications can not be downloaded at all.  Some applications replacing original apps for widely known services are very badly made.  Twitter clients replacing the original app for example.  Reddit clients too.  But I already got used to it.  Only few people care about Open Source stuff.  So, most of it is Closed Source.  So, this means you get shitty apps because nobody really develops them so it would overload the developers if they wanted to make everything neatly working with few to no bugs and glitches.

You can imagine F Droid excludes over 99 percent of the Cryptocurrency Wallets for Android.  Up until Unstoppable came to existence, this meant I could not use pretty much any Cryptocurrency besides Bitcoin (and even for Bitcoin, the available options were very lacking) from my phone.  Then the Wallets available for Bitcoin were very lacking too.  Annoying as fuck.

Then Unstoppable Wallet came to existence.  I used to reload the F-Droid repo every week and look for a new Wallet but never expected this coming.  Unstoppable Wallet is like the Wallet I would have made if I were a Wallet developer.  You get Open Source.  You get Tor.  You get multiple Cryptocurrencies.  Sweet User Interface.  Non Custodial.  Even price tickers.  TimeLock.  Themes.  Multiple base currencies.  SWAPS!  OH MY GOD!  You can not comprehend how happy I am with it.

I wish it just showed more TX information.  Fee and Satoshi per vByte, number of Confirmations with a check mark instead of just a Confirmed / Unconfirmed status with no counting of Confirmations.  Inputs, Outputs and maybe other stuff.  Currently, the only way you can see more information is by going to a Block Explorer yourself which to me makes no sense if you are running Unstoppable through Tor and want Privacy.

I do not know yet how the Tor works on it but if it does not change identity by default for every account and transaction checked, which I imagine is not how Tor works right now on the Wallet, then I wish they added this option.  If the same identity is used for all accounts, it means all information can be connected to one identity.

My experience with Unstoppable Wallet is mostly extremely positive.  It lacks a few things here and there.  But I see improvements every update.  All the issues I had with it were solved within one to three updates.

I agree.  I am typically not THAT lazy to not care about backing up my Seed Phrase but now that you mentioned it, it is definitely an issue.  I still do not have my Seed Phrase backed up because I forget about it every time.  I believe all Wallets should have mandatory Seed Backup before you get to use it.  This is not only a preventive measure but also imposes a good education.  When the user downloads a Wallet the second time, they should already know they need a piece of clear paper and a pen.

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Regards,
PrivacyG

That's true. I didn't mention it since people who bother setup their own ElectrumX is less likely to use closed source wallet.


True, although it comes down to how much privacy/security people want. I expect some people would be fine with VPN and SPV wallet.

On the flip side you can easily, for BTC, have Coinomi use your own electrumx server instead of theirs.
Everything is a bit of give and take.

I will still, keep saying this although others might disagree. ANY wallet on your phone is neither secure or private. Unless you are using a custom Android build that shuts down all the phone home stuff.
Since you can't do that at all with an iPhone, it's pointless to even think that anything you do on one cannot be monitored.

-Dave

Thank you, I just learned what SPV means.

It's supported on coinomi too, you can check the usage in above screenshot.

I check the data usage and for me I don't like it to use this app wallet. Because I also tried to downloaded it at my moblie device,
And when I checked the apps, the design and interface of the platform was definitely nice and cool. But the only thing problems
in which I don't like for this apps is that it consume a lot space of my phone device which can cause to make slow of phone system,

I don't know to others here who tried if they also notice what I had noticed.