Topic: Unstoppable wallet {User experiences} - page 8. (Read 4345 times)

So is there a way to add all of the tokens automatically? Adding them manually one by one with each token is available on multiple blockchains, is another hectic task.


For whom do we need the fake wallet? You mean that  we will enter the fake wallet password in front of our friend and then show him that we have only few coins while our real assets are stored with other password. Other than this i don't find it useful. And there is no way this duress password is safe guard against the hackers/malwares as he can hack other passwords too, if he is able to compromise duress password  of fake wallet somehow

Which one do you think has fewer weak spots?  Ledger with their Passphrase or Unstoppable with their Duress?

The element of surprise can come from psychos and also from people who are not very psycho, but just determined for other reasons, including various kinds of societal breakdowns that may or may not go back to economics.  

Frequently the attacker will not have a lot of specifics, but it could be an attacker who has quite a bit of specifics.  

It surely does not hurt to prepare for a variety of attackers, but we might not be able to prepare for some of the scenarios, and we also might get lucky to have had prepared to lose more than we end up losing... and yeah, some times, the wrong doer will fear so much getting caught that he will want to make sure that there are no witnesses, so we are not in a good situation if we might not know the attackers ultimate goal is to make sure that we are not a witness.


Yep.. the element of surprise.. can sometimes not provide enough protection (even if your wrench or gun is BIGGer), and surely many people are honest in the world, but sometimes we might find ourselves in some kind of precarious position.  

Surely some folks live with many security systems, so any intruder has to get past the various security systems (or to be a house guest), but even those people with high security may well have some places in which they are vulnerable... who is wanting to live like that?  but sometimes there are instances in which societies break down because too many people get desperate, and then experiencing thieves, assault and robbery can even cause honest people to consider futility in terms of their history of having had acted honestly.. and seeing the less honest people getting ahead while they suffer and consider that their honesty might be keeping them in less prosperous circumstances... so sometimes even relatively "honest" people might get lured into performing desperate acts or even taking advantage of a situation.. and sure it is more difficult to confront someone directly rather than sneaking behind their back.

As far as I know, any passphrase on Ledger creates another wallet. On Unstoppable wallet, only valid PINs work.

It is. New plan:

I'm getting one of these! Cut a hole at the end, and use epoxy glue to embed my hardware wallet into the wrench. My $63 wrench beats any $5 wrench!

Durress mode is similar to the Passphrase option Ledger has.  Right?

If so then good job to Unstoppable.  It does give me a better sense of security and safety.  Even if I know a situation where I have to provide some body the fake code to my Wallet would be difficult to handle.

Golden words.  You made me smile.  You prepare for the worst all your life and then if the worst comes to you, you are facing what you have always feared.  How many of us are strong enough to successfully get a wrench to their bones and accept a possibility of being forever handicapped or even dying in a grotesque way, having all of our children and family suffer just to protect a digital asset.  Would you give up your legs for the Bitcoin you own:  Would you rather be paralyzed with Bitcoins on your phone or would you give the Bitcoins up and continue living a normal life.

Worth a lot of money or not.  Our passion or not.  Bitcoin should still be less important than our lives, health and sanity.  Under such scenario, many would simply freeze.  Others would give up enough information the attacker needs to get what they needed.  Others would just never give up and would die for their Bitcoins.  But the possibilities are infinite.

Maybe the attacker stops if you give them just one Wallet.  Not the 50 bucks one but maybe a chunkier one while still holding on to the majority of your Coins.  How do you know however.  Maybe you give the attacker even 10 Wallets and they continue giving you the wrench.  Maybe the attacker is in fact a psycho.  Crazy guy who would never stop.

Maybe that is the point.  The attacker could have one purpose.  Getting as many Wallets from you while slowly KILLING you.  Not just hurting you until you give up.

I wonder if any of us could continue lying well about the other Wallets while being beaten.  That 5 Dollar wrench can easily trigger a mental break down since you know you are hiding something and you know you are sort of being punished for it.  If you can handle a lie SO well the attacker does not notice at all then great for you.  But what the freak happens if they notice something seems off about your answers.  Could be the worst outcome for you indeed.

Scary scenario.  We are all preparing for it but unfortunately in many cases even the most prepared people get the expected in the most unexpected way at the most unexpected time.  God forbid this scenario EVER happens to any of us.

Anyway.  5 Dollar wrench attacked or not.  Stay safe and prioritize life, health, sanity over anything digital or material.

Trouble of spending 5 to 10 seconds more for creating/accessing other accounts?  Yeah it's a really big trouble  
People can do this because of simple privacy purposes, maybe you don't want someone to see all your addresses, transactions and balance.
Not everyone is running around with wrenches trying to steal crypto from your phone, in fact this are very rear cases and targets are mostly people who publicly brag about crypto ownership.
It's more likely that someone will just steal your phone and wallet with cash than anything related with crypto.

These ideas of an attacker and decoy wallets becomes quite complicated for regular people and even for people who are just trying to be practical and spend their bitcoin in various ways having some hot wallets and some cold wallets, but sometimes moving coins from hot wallets to cold wallets and sometimes the other way around, and surely maybe there are ways to mix coins and to make the decoy wallets seem more plausible, but how much time do we want to be spending on the matters of making our decoys more and more plausible. 

For example, we go through various efforts to make our decoys plausible, and then if it ends up that the attacker happens to have information about 3 out of 10 of our wallets, and we give him our decoy wallet #6, then at that point s/he has information about 4 out of 10 of our wallets... and we might not even know, until we are being beaten with the $5 wrench, about which wallets s/he has information and which ones not...and if we are being beaten, our thinking might not be as clear as we wished as it would have been under such scenario.

Surely one of the best defenses may well to be attempting to not be telling the whole world about our bitcoin wallets, and so if we are interacting and transacting, there may be ways to get used to rotating through hot wallets and decoy wallets so that there are no real ways for the attacker to really know about the other ones that may or may not exist, and so yeah, how persistent is s/he and is s/he trying to get us to give over bitcoin that we don't have.. but s/he has "good reasons" to believe that we might have more than what we are proclaiming to have during the waterboarding process.

Sure, but in that case, why go through the trouble of creating multiple dummy wallets to protect small sums of money if you are already holding something insignificant there, and your priority should gravitate more towards usability and quick access instead of multiple security layers, hidden wallets, and such!? 

We're talking about hot wallets here, $50 is acceptable but I wouldn't want a lot in it anyway.

Why just 5? How about 10? Hit him until you get all 10. We will then switch our focus to the other kneecap and ask him about his multi-sig setups and cold wallets. There are surely at least 5 of those.
Joking aside, if the attackers are that persistent, it doesn't matter how strong your security is because your health and that of your family is the priority.

The attackers should never know about the existence of multiple wallets, meaning you shouldn't have told anyone about it. If you go through the trouble of setting them up, then they should contain a sum that is worth protecting. Obviously, if they unlock it to find $50 inside, they will know there must be something else.   

They should consider adding the  Peacemaker into their next upgrade package to counter the threat of a $5 wrench attack.



Banter aside, I would add  into wallet  something like a panic combination (which resembles a password) for sending a location-aware GPS alarm to relevant security service when user faces a $5 wrench.

That surely could be one of the factors about $5 wrench attacks coming from a private party or maybe even from an institution or a state.  The attacker might believe that they have uncontroversial information about the existence of 5 wallets, when ONLY three exist, so no matter what the BTC HODLer strives to achieve, he may well find himself in an impossible situation in which he is likely going to get beaten over and over and over based on the wannabe know-it-all's wrong information.

"We'll just keep hitting him with a $5 wrench until he shares at least 5 wallets!".

It has been 5 days ago, but I have just known about the new update today, Unstoppable wallet version 0.36.0

What is added in the update:

1. Security enhancements: Auto-Lock, Random Numpad and Duress Mode.
2. Full app backup, means users would be able to backup not just individual wallets but the entire app with an option to include or exclude desired wallets. Read more about it.
3. Zcash upgrade
4. AI-genersated project descriptions. Read more about it
5. Other fixes: updated Unstoppable Domains SDK, updated 1inch API, redesigned app Status screen, performance improvements, UI improvements in various places

What I like more about this upgrade is the Duress Mode. I have only noticed something like this on Bluewallet before, in a way you can have a fake wallet if you enter the fake wallet password and the real wallet will not be seen (no wallet is fake but I think you understand what I mean). Duress mode on Unstoppable wallet makes this possible, and you can set different password for your different wallet to be only seen.

Assuming I am having wallet 1, 2 and 3.
My password is 12345
I set duress wallet 1 password as 11111
Duress wallet 2 password as 22222
Maybe wallet 3 is having just little amount of coins (fake wallet). Not fake wallet but I think you understand what I am implying. And the duress password is 33333

Password 12345 will let you see the whole wallet (1, 2 and 3) as usual as it was
Password 11111 will only let you see wallet 1
Password 22222 will only let you see wallet 2
Password 33333 will only let you see wallet 3

I think this is good. I use weak password for illustrating it, not recommended. Use better passwords.

At the same time, CoinGecko shows a total number of only 10.4k coins and tokens. I am guessing CMC counts one token available on multiple blockchains several times. For instance, tether is a token you can find all over the place, so CMC will say there are 7 tether tokens (or whatever number of blockchains they can be found on). They might do the same for all wrapped, liquid, or 2nd-layer assets. 

New projects are modernized ponzi schemes. Some failed from the beginning. Some remain as shitcoins, become old and still fail.

I thought I was not understanding what Pmalek posted until I went to Coinmarketcap site to confirm it and I saw 1.8 million plus cryptocurrencies. Although, on the app, I saw 26923 cryptocurrencies. Both are lies.

Interesting! I never noticed that. CMC indeed shows "1.8M+" in the top-left corner. But if I scroll down and go to page 89, there are "only" 8884, and none of them show anything under "Volume (24h)".
It looks like they're trying to impress gullible users by breaking the record. Just like phone screen protectors: it started with "2.5D", then went up to 3D, 4D, 5D, 9D, 10D, 12D, 100D, 999D, 10000D, 30000D, 50000D and 999999D. The marketing BS has reached ridiculous levels

Yeah, that is true. Considering how common it is for shitcoin projects to fail or be abandoned by their development teams, I reckon that happens regularly.