Topic: Unveiling the truth over the major Monero scam - page 24. (Read 69459 times)

Sigh, I just finished reading the whole thread... After some pages it just gets a waste of time because the same arguments are being brought up everytime in a slightly new form. Pretty frustrating to see all this energy put into defending against accusations instead of making the coin better.

I can't conclude anything else that literally every accusation ('hypothesis') has been debunked / countered with valid arguments. Only commentary which holds truth is the monero code/project being far from done. This though, is actually something the devteam keeps saying, the project is in alpha.

It's a shame that for 'ordinairy' people (as in outsiders) it's getting too much time consuming to keep up with all this drama. I was listening to Let's Talk Bitcoin, and noticed they couldn't form a opinion because of all mud throwing. It seems that the crapload of BS is clogging people's view (exactly the goal iyam). If I weren't personally invested and brought in some other participants as well, I wouldn't invest the time/effort to try to keep up with all this BS and see if there's more truths than monero being alpha-stage. A shame, like I said, because it is a very promising project. People could be missing out because of this, and that means the shills/FUDsters are (partly) succesful.

What I'm taking from all this:
- Monero is a legit project. The most legit one out (t)here.
- There is a LOT at stake for some people catapulting this FUD-campagin into overdrive. Makes me more confident about the disruptive potential.
- I made a good call investing in this as well as notifying people around me. Whether it turns out profitable or not, it is worth the shot/gamble (if you will).
- An expanded ignorelist
- a strong belief that the devteam should stop responding to these acquisitions. Maybe some of the prominent members can take up this role, and sometimes being backed by a dev if necessary. But the main goal of the dev's must be DEV, and not DEF (defending ) 


Yes my account is new, I have been lurking around here from feb 2013 tho.

I agree with you. I would have preferred a legitimate launch of Bytecoin (or whatever it would have been called) with no hidden primine, no lies and fraud, and no sea of shill clone coins. It wasn't to be though. Monero is unfortunately the best we can do.

Just part of the same sequence that the coin has adhered to within ~90% since its inception. Time will tell me if i'm wrong, and in fact I've actually lost money on trying to prove myself wrong doing so.


Let it piss you off. I've said it from about the first ten posts since I've been here, they only want your tears. Nothing more.

Consider the stunted excitement as part of a process that otherwise would have been premature. You know this, just as well as anyone buying this knows this. Without it, I would have walked away months ago.

Remember, CZ himself made the statement that most likely the creators of the technology were paid by the  ones who wanted the technology. The conclusion this leads me to is that the creators of the technology found out about the plans of the ones paying them prematurely and reacted. This would explain why he needs to remain anonymous, for fear of his life or extortion. Money and world-changing events do not always invite the best of company, perhaps in this case some of the better ones took a chance on intervening..

If this is what quite a few people think it really is, then a few months are nothing to wait for. Personally, I'm waiting to see what happens around 90%, measured in days of December 6th to see the next (add: Price) event. Just me though.

Hexah, the exposed sock puppet, is that you?

Your font is too small bro.

Greed can and does make otherwise smart people do stupid things.

This is what pisses me off so bad.  Cryptonote is the ONLY alt I've actually been excited about.  But the energy behind it was largely wasted - it would've had enough inertia by now to likely have unseated ltc if it had been a fair launch from the beginning.  And the original creators would've been much better off than they are left holding bags of their mega scam.

It set the entire possibility of a legit solid anon coin back ... a long way

what's dec 6th?

The worst part is that Monero is comprised of so many people who would have otherwise supported Bytecoin if not for the 82% premine. Mindfuck.

Will take months to sort out, likely to be resolved before Dec 6th IIRC

it's kinda funny to watch the trolls say "Monero is a stupid clone ... should use the original" & then "Bytecoin scam 82% premine"

no way to win this one 

The 82% premine they're talking about belongs to Bytecoin.

see the more you look the more it stinks..

Premining 82% by accident doesnt happen like every day, does it?

Yeah, actually it says that Bytecoin is a sure scam and that monero community took over the development from the same scammers that created bitmonero. And that there are allegations that although monero seems good there isnt as big community as it is showing. Dunno number 4 volume for days or weeks and anyway in top ten volumes like from forever looks like enough people are interested. But you can keep up attacking monero in order to have your premined scamcoin have 5-10btc volume.

I really cant understand you guys. Why premine bytecoin when it was solid tech. how greedy can someone be?

+1

Monero is a scam : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qEi5fQcVak

what is to unveil ? it's rather obvious.. 

Then maybe you need to start paying more attention to the Monero core team, of which I am a member, rather than reading silly threads filled with FUD where I've already decimated OPs comments, demonstrating that BCN took code from Monero and merged it without attribution.

You'd do well, too, to look at some of our other projects: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=768499.0;all

Love this thread.

I would love it if an honest trusted dev would assess the submitted code of the top 20 alt coins and give a baddass-dev score to each.

I want to invest in coins that are truly backed coders that understand crypto and can code the lights out. That is all I really care about.

isnt cryptonote a big coming thing?

You're full of it, and as convincing as a Bridge Salesman in London.

But people fall for it ... so very sad

Yup, which is a pretty serious problem because you need to be able to audit that those libraries were actually copied over correctly, are up to date, and actually do what they claim to do; sounds like there's even real reasons to suspect that the codebase may even have backdoors and other flaws deliberately added by the original CN team, let alone more prosaic flaws. While Bitcoin's use of OpenSSL had it's own set of problems, it did ensure that the huge C codebase of OpenSSL was at least the same huge C codebase everyone else used, flaws and all.

But again to be clear, like I've said elsewhere, these are all fixable problems and the Monero team is working on fixing them.