Unveiling the truth over the major Monero scam - page 27.

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Quote from: J1mb0 on August 29, 2014, 05:39:00 AM

Quote from: Its About Sharing on August 29, 2014, 05:28:21 AM

J1mb0 - A picture is worth a thousand words. Something was corrupt with BCN and you only need look at where the finger is pointing.

You could make the same point about BitMonero. Which would be just as irrelevant today as well.

3 Points;

I am not comparing BCN or BitMonero to Quark. But look at the birth of Quark. Still alive with community. Price steadily rising.

The mainstream press love a 'back story'. All the stuff around Bytecoin - They will love! Cheesy

Whether true or false!

BCN is the only cryponote of substance with a supply that is suited for day to day trading and spending by millions or billions of people

[Edit] - I don't like to keep bumping this thread so I will start a new thread.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptonote-technology-coins-general-discussion-thread-761124

I know Quark, as I had a bit back in the day and I just had to check the price based on your "Price steadily rising." comment.
Need I say more?
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Quote from: J1mb0 on August 29, 2014, 04:36:18 AM

Quote from: rpietila on August 29, 2014, 01:05:26 AM

There is just nothing to be said concerning the others.

Now here we have a prime example of the arrogance and irrational sense of entitlement [...]

You seem to be mostly interested in trolling, or at least: your posting style is indistinguishable from a troll, as far as I can tell (after having read your posts in various XMR threads), but for once, you are right.

Dismissing the entirety of the altcoin space as total garbage, with one exception of course, reeks of arrogance, and doesn't shine a welcoming light on Monero supporters either, in my opinion.

There is an argument to be made that Monero takes a special place among altcoins (as evidenced, for example, by the large number of "old Bitcoin hands" becoming interested in it), but that argument can - and should - be made without taking a piss all over the competition.

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Quote from: Hexah on August 29, 2014, 06:55:05 AM

-puerile reply-

When I was a child in primary school, maybe 10 or 11 years old, I remember we used to name-call and then taunt "I'm the rubber, you're the glue, whatever you say sticks to you!" Your response reminds me of that.

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Quote from: fluffypony on August 29, 2014, 05:47:48 AM

Quote from: J1mb0 on August 29, 2014, 04:55:36 AM

BCN was not a premine scam. Many thousands are mining it using CPU and GPU. BCN has a team of active devs.
If Monero types were too dumb to use TOR then that is their problem.

I don't really have time to participate in the back-and-forth, but I'd like to point out that I've been one of the regular editors of the Hidden Wiki since 2007. I hosted it myself for about 8 months when the official one went belly-up, and I still host a popular mirror of the current home (previously with Freedom Hosting, but I moved it on to my own tin a few months back). I've bought tons of stuff on the original SR (not drug related, never really been my scene), and I've been a regular on HackBB for ages. I have asked around, among some of the other editors on the Hidden Wiki as well as asking someone that works with Freedom Hosting, and as far as any of them can ascertain Bytecoin simply did not exist until earlier this year. I can personally attest to never having come across it in 2011 / 2012, despite still being an active Hidden Wiki editor during that time.

I'd like to point out that I've been one of the regular editors of the Hidden Wiki since 1999. I hosted it myself for about 11 months when the official one went belly-up, and I still host a popular mirror of the current home (previously with Freedom Hosting, but I moved it on to my own tin a few months back). I've bought tons of stuff on the original SR (not drug related, never really been my scene), and I've been a regular on HackBB for ages. I have asked around, among some of the other editors on the Hidden Wiki as well as asking someone that works with Freedom Hosting, and as far as any of them can ascertain fluffypony simply did not exist until earlier this year.

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Quote from: Its About Sharing on August 29, 2014, 05:28:21 AM

Hah. The sell orders fail the statistical randomness test big time. They are way too uniformly distributed to be a product of a random process.

Perhaps they are not, and ALL belong to the only holder that provably exists - the 82% fat bag.

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Quote from: J1mb0 on August 29, 2014, 04:55:36 AM

BCN was not a premine scam. Many thousands are mining it using CPU and GPU. BCN has a team of active devs.
If Monero types were too dumb to use TOR then that is their problem.

I don't really have time to participate in the back-and-forth, but I'd like to point out that I've been one of the regular editors of the Hidden Wiki since 2007. I hosted it myself for about 8 months when the official one went belly-up, and I still host a popular mirror of the current home (previously with Freedom Hosting, but I moved it on to my own tin a few months back). I've bought tons of stuff on the original SR (not drug related, never really been my scene), and I've been a regular on HackBB for ages. I have asked around, among some of the other editors on the Hidden Wiki as well as asking someone that works with Freedom Hosting, and as far as any of them can ascertain Bytecoin simply did not exist until earlier this year. I can personally attest to never having come across it in 2011 / 2012, despite still being an active Hidden Wiki editor during that time.

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Quote from: Its About Sharing on August 29, 2014, 05:28:21 AM

J1mb0 - A picture is worth a thousand words. Something was corrupt with BCN and you only need look at where the finger is pointing.

You could make the same point about BitMonero. Which would be just as irrelevant today as well.

3 Points;

I am not comparing BCN or BitMonero to Quark. But look at the birth of Quark. Still alive with community. Price steadily rising.

The mainstream press love a 'back story'. All the stuff around Bytecoin - They will love! Cheesy

Whether true or false!

BCN is the only cryponote of substance with a supply that is suited for day to day trading and spending by millions or billions of people

[Edit] - I don't like to keep bumping this thread so I will start a new thread.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/cryptonote-technology-coins-general-discussion-thread-761124

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Quote from: Its About Sharing on August 29, 2014, 05:28:21 AM

Really interesting read and thanks to whomever posted it in the last couple of days - apology if it was you!

It's not. 'dga' posted it here. It's his blog.

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Quote from: Jungian on August 29, 2014, 05:24:37 AM

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Well, it's like someone reading about BTC in the NYT and then complaining that 'because it was only known about by a small community at BitCoinTalk' then it was '30% pre-mined'.

How are they similar in any way? Do you believe that it was actually released on the darknet despite not a single person familiar with darknet and the cryptocommunity outside the BCN team claiming to have heard about it

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But the fact that BCN released a intentionally crippled miner leaves me doubt about the code in general.

"Intentionally crippled". Proof? Just because things are constantly repeated does not make them true.

http://da-data.blogspot.se/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html

The more I looked at it, the more clear it became: The original developers deliberately crippled the miner. It wasn't just slow, and it wasn't just naive; it was deliberately obfuscated and made slow by the use of completely superfluous copies, function calls, use of 8 bit pointer types, and accompanied by the most ridiculously slow implementation of the AES encryption algorithm one could imagine.

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From the horses mouth - rpietila pledged to support the XMR price

So does every buyer. How is the proven that this is the ONLY reason for the price holding up. Every price is upheld the same way. By having people buying it.

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It's just a guess! Cheesy

Yes, but what did you base that guess off of?

Really interesting read and thanks to whomever posted it in the last couple of days - apology if it was you!

Reminder.

J1mb0 - A picture is worth a thousand words. Something was corrupt with BCN and you only need look at where the finger is pointing.
Basically, it says give up, let it go, walk away...

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Quote from: J1mb0 on August 29, 2014, 05:25:07 AM

Quote from: Jungian on August 29, 2014, 05:12:29 AM

You don't make.. investments.. yet you hold them? So you DO make investments? I don't understand.

I just mine. Cheesy

Also I do not give a fig what the BCN, Monero or whatever price is. I see cryptonote breaking through after the BTC has truly gone mainstream. Maybe Q3 2015.

If all parties could be sensible I see a great future for BCN, XMR and at least one other cryptonote - this technology will liberate and enable the common man to use the same tools as the Billionaires and Multi-National Corporations with regard to their financial affairs. Cheesy

It is only when BTC goes truly mainstream that this will become apparant.

Mining is also investing, but ok, fair enugh.

The rest I agree with. Except that BCN will be a part of that. I think it's release have tainted it forever and that it can never recover.

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Quote from: Jungian on August 29, 2014, 05:12:29 AM

You don't make.. investments.. yet you hold them? So you DO make investments? I don't understand.

I just mine. Cheesy

Also I do not give a fig what the BCN, Monero or whatever price is. I see cryptonote breaking through after the BTC has truly gone mainstream. Maybe Q3 2015.

If all parties could be sensible I see a great future for BCN, XMR and at least one other cryptonote - this technology will liberate and enable the common man to use the same tools as the Billionaires and Multi-National Corporations with regard to their financial affairs. Cheesy

It is only when BTC goes truly mainstream that this will become apparant.

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Well, it's like someone reading about BTC in the NYT and then complaining that 'because it was only known about by a small community at BitCoinTalk' then it was '30% pre-mined'.

How are they similar in any way? Do you believe that it was actually released on the darknet despite not a single person familiar with darknet and the cryptocommunity outside the BCN team claiming to have heard about it

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But the fact that BCN released a intentionally crippled miner leaves me doubt about the code in general.

"Intentionally crippled". Proof? Just because things are constantly repeated does not make them true.

http://da-data.blogspot.se/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html

The more I looked at it, the more clear it became: The original developers deliberately crippled the miner. It wasn't just slow, and it wasn't just naive; it was deliberately obfuscated and made slow by the use of completely superfluous copies, function calls, use of 8 bit pointer types, and accompanied by the most ridiculously slow implementation of the AES encryption algorithm one could imagine.

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From the horses mouth - rpietila pledged to support the XMR price

So does every buyer. How is the proven that this is the ONLY reason for the price holding up. Every price is upheld the same way. By having people buying it.

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It's just a guess! Cheesy

Yes, but what did you base that guess off of?

Its About Sharing

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J1mb0 - A picture is worth a thousand words. Something was corrupt with BCN and you only need look at where the finger is pointing.
Basically, it says give up, let it go, walk away...

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I'm not being funny, but any resemblance of a serious discussion has gone from this thread, not that it was there to begin with. The clashes between the shills for different coins is absolutely ridiculous. BTW, for anyone who actually wants to have some serious discussion about Altcoins without the FUDing or Shilling you see in this thread, go to the No FUD/Shilling/Trolling thread.

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Quote from: Jungian on August 29, 2014, 05:12:29 AM

You claim you like Monero yet post

I did make a few 'anti Monero' threads recently and kept bumping them for 24 hours just to highlight the Monero shill M.O. Shocked

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Quote from: Jungian on August 29, 2014, 05:03:07 AM

What do you mean? I use TOR all the time. How does this change anyting?

Well, it's like someone reading about BTC in the NYT and then complaining that 'because it was only known about by a small community at BitCoinTalk' then it was '30% pre-mined'.

Quote from: Jungian on August 29, 2014, 05:03:07 AM

I personally don't know. I just read what the other coders here write.

Well, aside from the changes made to thwart an attack, neither do I.

Quote from: Jungian on August 29, 2014, 05:03:07 AM

But the fact that BCN released a intentionally crippled miner leaves me doubt about the code in general.

"Intentionally crippled". Proof? Just because things are constantly repeated does not make them true.

Quote from: Jungian on August 29, 2014, 04:38:48 AM

Other than that, it has liquidity and a community behind it. That is more than enough for now.

Quote from: Jungian on August 29, 2014, 05:03:07 AM

How was this proven?

From the horses mouth - rpietila pledged to support the XMR price

Quote from: Jungian on August 29, 2014, 05:03:07 AM

How do you calculate that estimate?

It's just a guess! Cheesy

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Quote from: J1mb0 on August 29, 2014, 05:08:26 AM

Quote from: Jungian on August 29, 2014, 04:38:48 AM

So, have you made an investment in BCN that was over your head, or are you part of BCN-scam?

I never make 'investment' in any crypto. Anyone who does is either a gambler, delusional mad or all three! Cheesy

I have substantial funds in most Cryptonotes including Monero. I did make a few 'anti Monero' threads recently and kept bumping them for 24 hours just to highlight the Monero shill M.O. Shocked

I quite like Monero. The devs seem to be quite good and are reasonably measured. Because Monero is quite rare I see it as being more a store of wealth than an everyday currency. You could say that it could be to BCN what a savings account is to fiat.

However 'someone' is coordinating the spamming of BitCoinTalk ALT - and it is hurting all the Cryptonotes (and probably ALT in general.

You don't make.. investments.. yet you hold them? So you DO make investments? I don't understand.

You claim you like Monero yet post

Quote from: J1mb0 on August 21, 2014, 05:50:48 PM

SCAM ** MONERO ** SCAM ** YOU WILL GET BURNED ** SCAM ** WHOOP ** WHOOP

Please also address my other points. I use TOR all the time, so what does that have to do with anything?

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Quote from: Jungian on August 29, 2014, 04:38:48 AM

So, have you made an investment in BCN that was over your head, or are you part of BCN-scam?

I never make 'investment' in any crypto. Anyone who does is either a gambler, delusional mad or all three! Cheesy

I have substantial funds in most Cryptonotes including Monero. I did make a few 'anti Monero' threads recently and kept bumping them for 24 hours just to highlight the Monero shill M.O. Shocked

I quite like Monero. The devs seem to be quite good and are reasonably measured. Because Monero is quite rare I see it as being more a store of wealth than an everyday currency. You could say that it could be to BCN what a savings account is to fiat.

However 'someone' is coordinating the spamming of BitCoinTalk ALT - and it is hurting all the Cryptonotes (and probably ALT in general.

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Quote from: J1mb0 on August 29, 2014, 04:55:36 AM

BCN was not a premine scam. Many thousands are mining it using CPU and GPU. BCN has a team of active devs.
If Monero types were too dumb to use TOR then that is their problem.

What do you mean? I use TOR all the time. How does this change anyting?

Quote from: Jungian on August 29, 2014, 04:38:48 AM

Other than that, it has liquidity and a community behind it. That is more than enough for now.

It's been proven on this forum that the only thing keeping the XMR price from falling quickly (as opposed to the observed gradual decline) is one BTC whale Sugar Daddy, rpietila.

How was this proven?

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As for the 'community', I estimate that the Monero community is around one quarter of the ByteCoin community - most of whom do not frequent BitCoinTalk.

How do you calculate that estimate?

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