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Topic: Unveiling the truth over the major Monero scam - page 7. (Read 69408 times)

legendary
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That tweet is >1 year old. His opinion has changed since. Very reasonable thing for an intelligent person to do.

Maybe we should give his 2015 tweets a little more weight than his 2014 tweets.


Hmm..looks like someone got to Peter! What a totally believable reversal of opinion! BTW I know you guys are not above hacking the accounts of trusted characters in the crypto-space. Remember the pro-Scamero Antonopoulos quote that he later denied, sayng that his account had been compromised? Checkmate.
legendary
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That tweet is >1 year old. His opinion has changed since. Very reasonable thing for an intelligent person to do.

Maybe we should give his 2015 tweets a little more weight than his 2014 tweets.

legendary
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Merit: 1000
"The Cryptonote/Bytecoin codebase #XMR is based on is atrociously bad, orders of magnitude worse than #Bitcoin. WTF" - Peter Todd.

So which is worse? "Awful". or "atrociousy bad'?

legendary
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Don't lie. Everyone knows that NO development of any consequence has happened with Monero for a very long time.

The only one lying here is you.

"Everybody" in your quote must refer to people who are unable to use github.



which consists of pages and pages of commits by 32 contributors. See for yourself: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commits/master


Quantity does not imply QUALITY dumbarse.

Yes and I bet YOU are more qualified to judge the quality NOW than Peter Todd, etc. (who thinks it is "genuine crypto" and something his should buy some of).

ROFL.

Yes, and Peter Todd said that the quality was "awful", and "atrociously bad". Maybe you should get a proper review? But that will never happen, will it? QED

He said that previously without even looking at the code, just based on one small section (since rewritten) that was posted by someone else.

Later, in addition to backing away from his comments, after learning more, he said that it is "genuine crypto" and something he should buy.

Changing ones opinion after learning more is something intelligent people do. You might try it.


Yes he changed his opinion from "awful" to "atrociously bad". The quote is still up there, it hasn't been deleted or changed again by Peter. You should check it out.  Smiley
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
Don't lie. Everyone knows that NO development of any consequence has happened with Monero for a very long time.

The only one lying here is you.

"Everybody" in your quote must refer to people who are unable to use github.



which consists of pages and pages of commits by 32 contributors. See for yourself: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commits/master


Quantity does not imply QUALITY dumbarse.

Yes and I bet YOU are more qualified to judge the quality NOW than Peter Todd, etc. (who thinks it is "genuine crypto" and something his should buy some of).

ROFL.

Yes, and Peter Todd said that the quality was "awful", and "atrociously bad". Maybe you should get a proper review? But that will never happen, will it? QED

He said that previously without even looking at the code, just based on one small section (since rewritten) that was posted by someone else.

Later, in addition to backing away from his comments, after learning more, he said that it is "genuine crypto" and something he should buy.

Changing ones opinion after learning more is something intelligent people do. You might try it.

legendary
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Hey..you should get Peter Todd to do it! Oh wait, I forgot...he already declined your kind invitation to become associated with the XMR community! LELE
legendary
Activity: 910
Merit: 1000
Don't lie. Everyone knows that NO development of any consequence has happened with Monero for a very long time.

The only one lying here is you.

"Everybody" in your quote must refer to people who are unable to use github.



which consists of pages and pages of commits by 32 contributors. See for yourself: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commits/master


Quantity does not imply QUALITY dumbarse.

Yes and I bet YOU are more qualified to judge the quality NOW than Peter Todd, etc. (who thinks it is "genuine crypto" and something his should buy some of).

ROFL.

Yes, and Peter Todd said that the quality was "awful", and "atrociously bad". Maybe you should get a proper review? But that will never happen, will it? QED
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
Don't lie. Everyone knows that NO development of any consequence has happened with Monero for a very long time.

The only one lying here is you.

"Everybody" in your quote must refer to people who are unable to use github.



which consists of pages and pages of commits by 32 contributors. See for yourself: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commits/master


Quantity does not imply QUALITY dumbarse.

Yes and I bet YOU are more qualified to judge the quality NOW than Peter Todd, etc. (who thinks it is "genuine crypto" and something his should buy some of).

ROFL.
legendary
Activity: 910
Merit: 1000
Don't lie. Everyone knows that NO development of any consequence has happened with Monero for a very long time.

The only one lying here is you.

"Everybody" in your quote must refer to people who are unable to use github.



which consists of pages and pages of commits by 32 contributors. See for yourself: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commits/master


Quantity does not imply QUALITY dumbarse. I could point you to a massive pile of shit and say "that's amazing, look, there's so much of it!" LMAO
legendary
Activity: 2968
Merit: 1198
Don't lie. Everyone knows that NO development of any consequence has happened with Monero for a very long time.

The only one lying here is you.

"Everybody" in your quote must refer to people who are unable to use github.



which consists of pages and pages of commits by 32 contributors. See for yourself: https://github.com/monero-project/bitmonero/commits/master

legendary
Activity: 910
Merit: 1000
Peter Todd's first Twitter post has been removed and all that is left is something less frank and open about his true views. Guess if you are being paid you should try not to say your clients crap is 'crap'.

https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/507427225927708672

I'm out of this shit. Far too much manipulation going on. It stinks to high heaven.
Monero :-/

Since you are quoting a 15 month post I suppose this has already been addressed, but Peter Todd was not paid by Monero.

We were talking to him about doing some review and perhaps other work but he decided against it because he wanted to stick to working on Bitcoin forks, as he explained here:

There was no "manipulation", he just changed his opinion as he learned more.

It means it would be so extensively modified to be almost unrecognizable by the time you were done.

Monero was just not a good fit for the type of work Peter wanted to do, which was to focus on working on coins that all use the same code base so his existing knowledge of the code would be valuable and provide synergies for him between projects. That's exactly what he told us.

+1

Each project you get yourself involved with is a significant mental overhead, especially when what the codebase is doing is similar, but not 100% identical, to other codebases you work on. Even on Bitcoin itself I specialize on one specific aspect of it, the consensus critical code, and within that, the scripting system.


Don't lie. Everyone knows that NO development of any consequence has happened with Monero for a very long time. That is because "nobody involved with Monero is capable of developing Monero". You see, that quote is an old and oft repeated quote as well, isn't it? But it's still relevant because nothing has changed.
legendary
Activity: 2968
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Peter Todd's first Twitter post has been removed and all that is left is something less frank and open about his true views. Guess if you are being paid you should try not to say your clients crap is 'crap'.

https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/507427225927708672

I'm out of this shit. Far too much manipulation going on. It stinks to high heaven.
Monero :-/

Since you are quoting a 15 month post I suppose this has already been addressed, but Peter Todd was not paid by Monero.

We were talking to him about doing some review and perhaps other work but he decided against it because he wanted to stick to working on Bitcoin forks, as he explained here:

There was no "manipulation", he just changed his opinion as he learned more.

It means it would be so extensively modified to be almost unrecognizable by the time you were done.

Monero was just not a good fit for the type of work Peter wanted to do, which was to focus on working on coins that all use the same code base so his existing knowledge of the code would be valuable and provide synergies for him between projects. That's exactly what he told us.

+1

Each project you get yourself involved with is a significant mental overhead, especially when what the codebase is doing is similar, but not 100% identical, to other codebases you work on. Even on Bitcoin itself I specialize on one specific aspect of it, the consensus critical code, and within that, the scripting system.

On the topic of the small amount of "C code", he said this:

I removed it because I meant to say "much of" - the Tweet as originally written gave the inaccurate impression that Cryptonote is written exclusively in C, which just isn't true. I removed it pretty quickly, within about an hour.

In fact the only part that is written in C are the crypto libraries, most of which probably came from other projects (though much the history is not visible to us).

Yup, which is a pretty serious problem because you need to be able to audit that those libraries were actually copied over correctly, are up to date, and actually do what they claim to do; sounds like there's even real reasons to suspect that the codebase may even have backdoors and other flaws deliberately added by the original CN team, let alone more prosaic flaws. While Bitcoin's use of OpenSSL had it's own set of problems, it did ensure that the huge C codebase of OpenSSL was at least the same huge C codebase everyone else used, flaws and all.

But again to be clear, like I've said elsewhere, these are all fixable problems and the Monero team is working on fixing them.

Which is exactly what has been done since. The unclear code was completely written and extensively commented (so much so that it regularly gets praise now from people who look at it work with it) and the code that was a copy of an external library (djb's crypto) was replaced with the actual library itself.

member
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It's quite a show for the non-altcoinist over here!
legendary
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So what? The code base is brand new and needs work. Every Monero investor should know this.

Bitcoin was crap as a stack of cards at one point, it even had freaking goto loops in the code.

Lets keep the record straight: Bitcoin v1.0 had significantly better code quality than Cryptonote does from what I've seen; I just checked and there weren't any goto statements in the codebase. Cleaning up this mess isn't going to be easy, although it certainly is doable.

I'd strongly suggest taking the good part of Cryptonote - the ring signatures - and porting them over to the Satoshi codebase. Monero could be re-released based on that much better codebase and the UTXO set ported over at the same time so all coin owners on the old system were coin owners on the new system.

Creating an exodus option to move over to Bitcoin codebase would be the death of Monero.



There have been too many issues that have come to light recently.

The mining exploit that has been going on and has just been disclosed shocked me.

This attack, given Peter Todd's analysis, is just another major issue that I'm finding it hard to live with.

It's starting to sound like the original Cryptonote code was used to scam people by introducing something new and different. Those of us that have bought into its promise, in good faith, may just be at the tail end of the scam.

This looks like an unravelling of the problems, not a temporary blimp. At the back of my mind now is: 'what next?'

I'm an investor, Peter Todd is more competent to give a technical analysis. It doesn't look good.

Exactly. Pretty much directly after the Mining Software disclosure I got out with a good 30% profit. And I'm pretty sure I won't regret it, ever.

Peter Todd's first Twitter post has been removed and all that is left is something less frank and open about his true views. Guess if you are being paid you should try not to say your clients crap is 'crap'.

https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/507427225927708672

I'm out of this shit. Far too much manipulation going on. It stinks to high heaven.
Monero :-/
legendary
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Copy of my reply to the same very old misleading info you posted on the other thread:

The Cryptonote/Bytecoin codebase #XMR is based on is atrociously bad, orders of magnitude worse than #Bitcoin. WTF: - Peter Todd.

That tweet is like 15 months old, and the file he was referring to has been re-written:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11933120

Since you brought it up, here's a more recent Peter Todd tweet, only about 9 months old:
https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/579092073875308545
"I probably should get around to finally buying some #Monero; @xmr_to is a pretty clever service. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zrdxz/withdrawals_halted_as_stolen_evolution_coins_make/ …"

I know it was re-written, smart guy. The above quote is what it says now. What it originally said was: "The uncommented C code CryptoNote is written in is awful; There's no way this crap doesn't have multiple buffer overflow exploits in it" Do you like the original quote better? LMAO
legendary
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Copy of my reply to the same very old misleading info you posted on the other thread:

The Cryptonote/Bytecoin codebase #XMR is based on is atrociously bad, orders of magnitude worse than #Bitcoin. WTF: - Peter Todd.

That tweet is like 15 months old, and the file he was referring to has been re-written:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.11933120

Since you brought it up, here's a more recent Peter Todd tweet, only about 9 months old:
https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/579092073875308545
"I probably should get around to finally buying some #Monero; @xmr_to is a pretty clever service. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zrdxz/withdrawals_halted_as_stolen_evolution_coins_make/ …"

legendary
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I removed it because I meant to say "much of" - the Tweet as originally written gave the inaccurate impression that Cryptonote is written exclusively in C, which just isn't true. I removed it pretty quickly, within about an hour.

In fact the only part that is written in C are the crypto libraries, most of which probably came from other projects (though much the history is not visible to us).

Yup, which is a pretty serious problem because you need to be able to audit that those libraries were actually copied over correctly, are up to date, and actually do what they claim to do; sounds like there's even real reasons to suspect that the codebase may even have backdoors and other flaws deliberately added by the original CN team, let alone more prosaic flaws. While Bitcoin's use of OpenSSL had it's own set of problems, it did ensure that the huge C codebase of OpenSSL was at least the same huge C codebase everyone else used, flaws and all.


Monero :-/
legendary
Activity: 910
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Also it seems that "smooth" (according to my researches) is the most prolific forum poster ever! How in the hell does he have time to be the (so-called) lead dev?? I'll tell you why...because there is nobody involved with Monero who is capable of developing Monero. This is the conclusion I have reached (according to my researches).

When a coin developer waists all his time in spamming his competitors this coin will never be respected. Non-stop falling of XMR against BTC and USD shows pretty good where XMR goes.

This poll demonstrates very well the reputation of smooth:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmraeon-developer-smooth-investigation-1151565

Obviously a lot of your post is opinion, to which you are entitled. But not the part about "non-stop falling" against USD. That is wrong. The current 44c price is in line with where it has been quite often over the past year or longer, and it has certainly been lower (as low as half that, if not lower).

Also, to correct volyova, I'm not a "the lead dev", we have no such title.

EDIT: For example, troll thread from last year: Monero under 25 cents? What the hell are you waiting for? For the math challenged that is a 76% increase.
LOLZ, so you are reduced to "splitting hairs" now? lmao

I guess being corrected is splitting hairs when you're the the one being corrected for being factually challenged.
"factually challenged." (??). LEL do you really think it matters (in the grand scheme of things) if "smooth's" job title is "dev", or "lead dev", or "core dev"?? Maybe you are mentally challenged.
legendary
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Facts are more efficient than fud
Also it seems that "smooth" (according to my researches) is the most prolific forum poster ever! How in the hell does he have time to be the (so-called) lead dev?? I'll tell you why...because there is nobody involved with Monero who is capable of developing Monero. This is the conclusion I have reached (according to my researches).

When a coin developer waists all his time in spamming his competitors this coin will never be respected. Non-stop falling of XMR against BTC and USD shows pretty good where XMR goes.

This poll demonstrates very well the reputation of smooth:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmraeon-developer-smooth-investigation-1151565

Obviously a lot of your post is opinion, to which you are entitled. But not the part about "non-stop falling" against USD. That is wrong. The current 44c price is in line with where it has been quite often over the past year or longer, and it has certainly been lower (as low as half that, if not lower).

Also, to correct volyova, I'm not a "the lead dev", we have no such title.

EDIT: For example, troll thread from last year: Monero under 25 cents? What the hell are you waiting for? For the math challenged that is a 76% increase.
LOLZ, so you are reduced to "splitting hairs" now? lmao

I guess being corrected is splitting hairs when you're the the one being corrected for being factually challenged.
legendary
Activity: 910
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Also it seems that "smooth" (according to my researches) is the most prolific forum poster ever! How in the hell does he have time to be the (so-called) lead dev?? I'll tell you why...because there is nobody involved with Monero who is capable of developing Monero. This is the conclusion I have reached (according to my researches).

When a coin developer waists all his time in spamming his competitors this coin will never be respected. Non-stop falling of XMR against BTC and USD shows pretty good where XMR goes.

This poll demonstrates very well the reputation of smooth:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/xmraeon-developer-smooth-investigation-1151565

Obviously a lot of your post is opinion, to which you are entitled. But not the part about "non-stop falling" against USD. That is wrong. The current 44c price is in line with where it has been quite often over the past year or longer, and it has certainly been lower (as low as half that, if not lower).

Also, to correct volyova, I'm not a "the lead dev", we have no such title.

EDIT: For example, troll thread from last year: Monero under 25 cents? What the hell are you waiting for? For the math challenged that is a 76% increase.
LOLZ, so you are reduced to "splitting hairs" now? lmao
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