Topic: US Presidential Election 2020 - page 28. (Read 6240 times)

I wake up to see Biden campaign lampooning his own chances by going full Anakin Skywalker and declaring you are either for me or against me.   Very not Obama-esche talk and way too heavy footed, whatever he meant he stepped on some toes stupidly.   I blame his campaign more then I blame the doofus himself because they let him on the air to say that, all he should really do is keep to the script and react to every giant fail Trump issues on a regular basis.   Just follow the breadcrumbs and he'll find himself in the white house whether he deserves it or not, theres no other candidate really but say silly things and people will look around for more or obviously the precedent is with Trump.
   Hope and dreams thats all he has to sell as per every other politician, there's a playbook for this game and his maverick moves is the reason Democratic party hesitated to ever put him forward.

Quit wrecking my bets bro :p     Honestly I rate them all equally bad tbh, any good occuring in government rarely collects the credit correctly like the people on the front line who risk their lives not talking heads.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-tells-black-radio-host-problem-figuring-trump/story?id=70834037

Inclusiveness I think is the key word, Obama totally knew it and I remember even McCain understood it was vital.  A president represents all even the people who hate him, thats how it is and thats why its work to do.

If Trump is ahead, that's because of two reasons. First of all, in 2016 almost all of the polls under-estimated his support. And that too by a large margin. And secondly, the outcome of the US election is entirely dependent on the results from less than 10 states (out of a total of 50). The remaining states are either deep-blue or deep-red, where no one is going to campaign.

I agree with you. Trump has a separate fan base and there is no doubt that is huge. No matter how bad decision he made, I don't think his fan base will diminish. But what about COVID-19! Do people see any effective role in controlling it? Don't you think coronavirus outbreak can change all the equation. If the condition of USA becomes too bad for Covid-19 and they failed to control its spread, then I think it will have a huge effect on the next election, keep calm and see what will happens.

Maybe the voters and fans of Trump are the ones who are sincere with him and they do not change the parties. Incipite of all the decision made by trump in all these years, they still love him and vote for him. That's the only reason that we see trump with good votes in all the surveys conducted.

I don't know that! but I didn't believe the Trump Administration, can you remember the "2016 campaign promises" I can't believe his words any more.

In fact, I don't think they would make the same mistake of re-electing him if there was a fair election but look at the recent pool I can't figure it out how each time he gained very close result, who are behind on this!

1. Yep, really. I thought Trump was younger enough (something like 60 years old0 but he is old man too. 73 years old, and Biden is 77.

2. But he fact still valid

3. Trump is really good with his politics to decreasing taxes, returning manufacturers and factories to USA and so on. For things, which will directly affect all people in USA, of course, will affect with good. But democrats and socialists (there enough socialists in USA Congress for now) trying to do opposite things, in fact, really opposite. Increasing taxes, creating problems for business and of course, accepting more and more migrants (which is not bad but also not good). And as i know, middle class is for Trump (because as i said above, he has made their lives better)

the odds of a trump victory (47%) dropped 2% since i last checked. biden (42%) did not pick those points up though. https://odds.watch/trump-2020


obama was essentially a neoconservative. the fanfare around him among liberals was largely based on the contrast to GWB and him being black. his entire legacy is one of selling out poor and working people to giant corporations and wall street.

democratic power brokers were grooming hillary clinton to be his successor, but they underestimated 1. how publicly detestable she truly was, 2. how quickly obama/clinton style neoconservatism was falling out of public favor, and 3. how destructive and insulting obama's economic policies were for the working class. remember, obama was ushered in as a populist liberal who was supposed to indict wall street for causing the 2008 collapse and tilt things back in favor of ordinary americans. he did the opposite. by the time he was leaving office, a strong majority of americans wanted an anti-elitist populist (like trump) in office, not an elitist neocon like hillary clinton.

this is where the fracture between the leftist/sanders wing and the centrist/biden wing comes in. the sanders wing taps into america's populist anger, but democratic fundraisers and power brokers know the leftists are too great of a threat to the big banks and other powerful corporate interests to be allowed a seat at the table.

IMO, the centrist democrats would rather lose this election to trump and retake control in 4 years rather than let the sanders wing take over. in some sense that may explain why they backed such a dud like biden in the first place, knowing the left lacked enough momentum to win the primaries. 4 more years of trump---especially if they are characterized by fiscal austerity---and then obama-like centrism becomes palatable again for centrist leaning conservatives and the lesser of two evils for disenfranchised progressives.

President Trump will have a hard time competing with Joe Biden, that is what I think. Although Trump has already shows that he was capable in the last presidential election and all those who made a prediction were wrong about the way he is popular with Americans. I still think that many Americans will want him and he would still win any popularity contests the opposition would pit against him.

The pandemic right now is the worst thing that the United States is facing right now and that would also affect American voters which might switch sides because of what they perceived as a lack of preparation from the governments part and that because of the high risk now and many people are getting sick by the minute. Many, I think will switch sides because of the pandemic and Trump needs to prepare for that backlash. As for me though I will try to balance it and see who is still winnable based on the handling of the pandemic. I will solely based this on the pandemic.

So you mean that if trump wins the next election, the election will not be fair and trump will manipulate the result. I don't think it is easy to change the election results in USA and whoever wins the election, it will be fair.
Do you think that those who elected for the trump in the past elections will again vote for him ?

 I do not trust polls ever since 2016 elections. Even on the GOP polls trump was around %1 early on, Jeb Bush was leading by a big big margin. By all means it would have been Hillary versus Bush but the more time went away the more votes Trump got and eventually dude became the nominee from GOP beating everyone else, when he had %1 chance! And not only that, dude basically was given zero chance to become president, I didn't see any chance at all, and eventually he became the president as well.

 I hate the dude, he is a moron, but I gotta give him, polls never liked him, maybe its his base do not really answer polls, maybe something else I don't know I really don't but polls never really liked him I know that. All in all we gotta wait for the election night, we don't even know how safe it will be by that time, however the situation is, it will only be decided by election and never before.

Despite the bad polls, Trump is still everyone's favorite, I don't know what kind of honey they found in Trump. I've been watching from the beginning the ruling party has always been ignored the pulling trend for presidential election. You can see that Donald Trump is standing at 2.10 where Joe Biden has managed to achieve 2.34. According to a survey by "RealClearPolitics", Biden is ahead by 5.1% on pool. Now it is a matter to be seen how neutral and fair the actual election will be!

1. His age is only an issue if you believe it'll affect his ability to do his job.  He's only a few years older than Trump, but Trump comes off sharp as a tack, while Biden fumbles for words.  I actually think the Democratic Party sees this as a benefit, it'll make it easier to control him.  If he picks a somewhat unknown running mate, or someone who's not a Washington insider a Biden presidency effectively makes Nancy Pelosi the most powerful person in the world.  How's that for a scary thought?  I soiled my britches just writing it.

2. Hunter's corruption is only possible because of Joe's own.  If it wasn't for Joe being Obama's VP, Hunter would be selling lawn mowers at Home Depot.  There's no way he would have gotten the contract with Burisma or the Chinese company, BHR.

3. No argument.  The Democrats haven't always been a destructive force in American politics, but if you look at American history they've been responsible for some the worst periods.  The Civil War, the great depression, the '70s gas crisis, the housing bust, Chinese espionage, the Obama administration...

Fox news just released a new poll that shows Biden isn't quite so far behind Trump:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox-news-poll-biden-more-trusted-on-coronavirus-trump-on-economy

I am not going to deny any of these points, especially #1 and #2. The last one is purely a political point, and it is open to interpretation according to the voter ideology.

The point that I made earlier was that Biden is the most suitable candidate among the dozen or so potential nominees we had during the Democrat primary elections. He is a much better candidate when compared to far-leftists such as Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, and he'll be able to attract a broad spectrum of support when compared to Kamala Harris or Julián Castro.

I am willing to be fair to Joe Biden on corruption because U.S. politics is plagued with corruption. Trump and Biden do corrupt things and I am not going to pretend that either candidate is above any of the shadiness in Washington. It does shock me though how some democrats are unwilling to admit that Joe Biden's dealing with Ukraine was not appropriate and was the epitome of political corruption in Washington, but somehow house democrats were able to manufacture a Biden scandal into a Trump impeachment. Truly incredible.

I think he does not have what it needs to beat Trump.

If Trump can change the current situation before the elections then I think he will win. Unfortunately I doubt it will happen by that time.

He is awful for few reasons:

1. He is old.

2. His son is corrupt (it's funny, because in our country, Ukraine, you can;t do any business without a bribe, so, if you want to deal with Ukraine, you need to bribe) and because all this scandal in Ukraine it will be hard to Biden get out of this. It's a trump card for Trump 

3. He is democrat, but as i know, major part of americans want from president another promises, than promise to feed all Mexicans.

It hardly surfaced at all. It took Tara Reade a month to even get the story out there until her newspaper covered the allegation and interviewed her. It took weeks for Biden to be asked a single question about the sexual assault allegation meanwhile Trump gets asked on a national debate stage about his sexual assault allegations without a single ounce of proof from any of the accusers. I'm all for due processes and I think Joe Biden deserves his due process. But Biden's gotten a free pass from the media and the "believe all women" crowd that supported Christine Blasey Ford during the Kavanaugh hearings seem to be awfully quiet when it's their guy under fire. CNN/MSNBC are blatant propaganda rags at this point and it does not surprise me that they wouldn't ever criticize Joe Biden, even more moderate news outlets refused to cover the allegations until over a month after they went public. This is after some circumstantial evidence of Reade's allegation were released, such as the fact her mother called in to CNN's Larry King to ask for advice about an issue her daughter was having with a prominent senator. The caller was confirmed to be Reade's mother. This phone call alone is more evidence than Dr. Ford offered yet it seemed the media covered the rape allegations against Kavanaugh in a more adamant nature.

Sanders doesn't have a "poor reputation" with black people, dude was endorsed by a lot of black people that have a position and he worked with people of color in many legislation as well. Just because Biden got more votes from blacks doesn't mean blacks dislike Bernie, people could like both candidates and prefer one over the other as well. Why did people voted for Biden and not Bernie in black communities? For a simple fact that Biden was endorsed by the first and last African American president of USA history. Biden was the VP of Obama, that plays a HUUGE role specially with older black people, and it should as well, it worths a lot.

At the same time, let's not forget that Biden works with Bernie's team on his Task force, there will be 2 people in each commission one appointed by Biden and one by Bernie, so they will basically have a joined team. Democrats are not as divided as the voters, Biden voters and Bernie voters are quite different to each other, and even hate each other so much that they would rather have Trump, however Biden and Bernie is not THAT different, the focus for them is to get Trump out of the office, NO MATTER WHAT, and voters see how they work together hand in hand instead of trying to fight each other.

Either you are going to have Biden who would maybe be a bad president and not achieve what he says he will, maybe he will do some bad stuff, or you are going to have Trump, a president that does so many illegal things that he was investigated by FBI and said if he wasn't the president he would have been charged, and on top of that he was impeached as well, and basically all around a very bad person on top of a bad president. So maybe democrats should look to Trump before they criticize Biden.

I love Bernie, I am not from USA and even with that I still follow AOC and Bernie on instagram, I really would love Bernie to my president even though he is not from here, but that doesn't mean just because he is not the candidate, Trump would be same with Biden, you guys did that with Hillary and I get that Hillary is not the best but look what you got when you didn't voted Hillary, you really think she would be THIS bad?

Very good discussions and insights lately, keep it up guys


Agree as well. It could be a walk in the park for Democrats imo, if only they had someone more charismatic, like Cuomo lol. And probably a bit younger for my liking. Age normally shouldn't matter, but Trump already set a record for the oldest president at inauguration with 70 years. Biden would put that bar 8 years up and his health issues were mentioned before.

But as we all know, there are agendas, nepotism, lobbyists and what else. I think Biden is or will be just a tool for certain people, if he gets in the WH. In general it's not necessarily the president/leader that makes the decisions, but people in the background - and this goes not only for the US. The presidents are just the frontmen/-women and faces of a government

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The Cuomo bet/trade, which made me open this thread, doesn't look too good now.


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I put some more on him @55-60, but his odds keep rising. He is a bit out of the spotlight with things getting better in New York, which doesn't help. Taking a slow approach with reopening the (down-)state is the correct thing to do imo, but not very well liked by a lot of people. It's tough to find the right balance and you never can please everyone.

I totally agree with you here.  But, as I said, if Biden really is the best that they can offer after four years of Trump, that's a serious indictment and only plays into the hands of Trump. I must admit I didn't follow the primaries of the Democrats that closely but do they really don't have someone younger and healthier, someone without (the usual) scandals, someone charismatic? Just look at Finnland or New Zealand! Sad that someone like Buttigieg never had (and never will have) a real chance.

The problem is that the Democrats were resting on the success of Obama. In his second term they should've already started to promote and strengthen his successor. But what were they doing since then?!