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legendary
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On average there were 29 deaths reported annually for fifteen years prior to the attack (2003 to 2017). In 2018 there were only 6 reported (to end of November 2018).


Merck's Recombivax Vaccine Shortage Causes Reduced Deaths In Babies – A Natural Experiment?



In the summer of 2017, a malware virus mainly affecting the Ukraine, found its way onto the mainframe computer systems of Merck wreaking havoc for the company. The malware was called “NotPetya,” referring to the ransomeware family Petya, which disables computer systems and demands a ransom to be paid in bitcoin before it will restore access to a company’s files. It is destructive and costly, something Merck was to find out as its sales and manufacturing operations were disrupted by the June 7th attack. According to the Wall Street Journal, the incident cost the pharmaceutical giant $670 million to remediate, but more importantly, it caused disruption to the production of two of Merck’s pediatric vaccines: Gardasil 9 (Human Papillomavirus) and Recombivax (Hepatitis B virus), vaccines to help prevent sexually transmitted infections.

During the crisis, Merck borrowed from a CDC vaccine stockpile, in order to meet supply commitments for Gardasil 9. However, that was not the case with Recombivax, the Hepatitis B vaccine given to all babies beginning the first day of life. There is no clear medical reason for giving every baby a vaccine against hepatitis B if its mother tests negative for the disease. Nevertheless, American babies receive three doses each, which is 12 million doses in any given year for the US alone. Following the cyber-attack, Merck was unable to meet this high demand, citing production problems.

The CDC acted quickly in asking GlaxoSmithkline to supply its Hep B vaccine Engerix-B, to meet the needs of the US market. The CDC published a notice about a shortage of Recombivax on July 28th 2017 on its website, stating that the vaccine would be unavailable as of early August 2017. GSK was able to supply a monovalent (single) vaccine for the birth dose and subsequent newborn doses. Doctors could give the pentavalent combination vaccine Pediarix to older babies, depending on supply.

Just prior to the ransomware attack, two scientists from Europe wrote to the FDA to express concern that recent research on aluminum adjuvants in vaccines suggested that these adjuvants were contributing to Autism Spectrum Disorder and other neurological disorders.

Merck initially expected to resume distributing Recombivax in February of 2018. However, this deadline came and went and the expected resumption of distribution was pushed back many times. Currently, the CDC is reporting that Recombivax will not be available until the middle of 2019, almost two years since the cyber-attack happened and without the public fully understanding why this particular vaccine was affected.

What are the wider ramifications of this incident? ...


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legendary
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I see that your activity is 56 as of this writing. You are a Junior Member. The rules say that we are supposed to read the posts in a thread before posting. Nobody does it completely. So, you are forgiven.

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The point is, what I think, is irrelevant. Throughout the thread there are posts with links to all kinds of strong evidence that vaccines are dangerous. On top of that, vaccines probably do a lot less good than people think that they do... if you consider only the good they might do. It's in the links in the posts. Some of the llinks are CDC links, where the medical tells the dangers of vaccines.
As a Rotarian i do raise money to fund the End Polio campaign.
Please don't tell me that you believe that vacinating kids again polio (orally, not an injection) is dangerous.
Surely you have seen the stats from the 1960s of people dieing of polio or being disabled vs today.
But i also know that some of the vaccines developed in the last few years  are very controversial

As far as drinking milk or alcohol, smoking, eating meat, etc., you are mistaken. If you have reasons why some of these things are bad for you, don't do them. They are good for some people.

There are loads of people who are heavy smokers and live even beyond 100 years. You can't go back and redo their lives without tobacco just to see if they would have lived longer.

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Sorry for the derailing, how can you say that milk is good for human when more than 70% of the population can't drink it.
Also, there are loads of people that had multiple vaccines and outlive the non vaxx people. This is not relevant.
The WHO and CDC also reported that smoking is detrimental for the health : https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/index.htm?s_cid=osh-stu-home-spotlight-001

So between 2 evils, i'd rather not smoke, not drink, being vegetarien and accept the small risk of getting "some" vaccines.


Probably the forum would shut down if people had to read every word of every thread they posted in.


Back around '77, I read a report that said that when the Salk vaccine failed or made things worse, they introduced the Sabin vaccine which did nothing (to keep things rolling after the Salk disaster), and then in 1960-1961 they redefined the symptoms for polio. Suddenly we had an outbreak of spinal meningitis, but polio was almost cured.


Babies really need milk.


The WHO and CDC are the forerunners of the money-making medical industry.


Are you afraid that the things that you read about how bad vaccines are for you... that they will cause you to smoke, drink, eat meat, and not get vaccinated?


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I see that your activity is 56 as of this writing. You are a Junior Member. The rules say that we are supposed to read the posts in a thread before posting. Nobody does it completely. So, you are forgiven.

Sorry about that

The point is, what I think, is irrelevant. Throughout the thread there are posts with links to all kinds of strong evidence that vaccines are dangerous. On top of that, vaccines probably do a lot less good than people think that they do... if you consider only the good they might do. It's in the links in the posts. Some of the llinks are CDC links, where the medical tells the dangers of vaccines.
As a Rotarian i do raise money to fund the End Polio campaign.
Please don't tell me that you believe that vacinating kids again polio (orally, not an injection) is dangerous.
Surely you have seen the stats from the 1960s of people dieing of polio or being disabled vs today.
But i also know that some of the vaccines developed in the last few years  are very controversial

As far as drinking milk or alcohol, smoking, eating meat, etc., you are mistaken. If you have reasons why some of these things are bad for you, don't do them. They are good for some people.

There are loads of people who are heavy smokers and live even beyond 100 years. You can't go back and redo their lives without tobacco just to see if they would have lived longer.

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Sorry for the derailing, how can you say that milk is good for human when more than 70% of the population can't drink it.
Also, there are loads of people that had multiple vaccines and outlive the non vaxx people. This is not relevant.
The WHO and CDC also reported that smoking is detrimental for the health : https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/index.htm?s_cid=osh-stu-home-spotlight-001

So between 2 evils, i'd rather not smoke, not drink, being vegetarien and accept the small risk of getting "some" vaccines.
legendary
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BADecker, you say that unvaccinated kids are not as sick as vacicnated kids.
Hence people shouldn't use vaccines.

I have a question  for you :

Do you drink alcohol, do you smoke ? do you eat meat ? do you drink milk ?

Because all the above actions also lead to people being sicker than the ones restraining doing them.

Do you agree that alcohol, smoking, meat eating, milk drinking are bad and kill people ?

Looking forward to read your answer

I see that your activity is 56 as of this writing. You are a Junior Member. The rules say that we are supposed to read the posts in a thread before posting. Nobody does it completely. So, you are forgiven.

The point is, what I think, is irrelevant. Throughout the thread there are posts with links to all kinds of strong evidence that vaccines are dangerous. On top of that, vaccines probably do a lot less good than people think that they do... if you consider only the good they might do. It's in the links in the posts. Some of the llinks are CDC links, where the medical tells the dangers of vaccines.

As far as drinking milk or alcohol, smoking, eating meat, etc., you are mistaken. If you have reasons why some of these things are bad for you, don't do them. They are good for some people.

There are loads of people who are heavy smokers and live even beyond 100 years. You can't go back and redo their lives without tobacco just to see if they would have lived longer.

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legendary
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BADecker, you say that unvaccinated kids are not as sick as vacicnated kids.
Hence people shouldn't use vaccines.

I have a question  for you :

Do you drink alcohol, do you smoke ? do you eat meat ? do you drink milk ?

Because all the above actions also lead to people being sicker than the ones restraining doing them.

Do you agree that alcohol, smoking, meat eating, milk drinking are bad and kill people ?

Looking forward to read your answer

We are talking generally about children who don't have the power to make their own decisions and implement said decisions.  This is why in all societies universally children are protected to some degree or another.

We are also talking about a situation where it is a combination of corrupt and 'captured' government agencies and the multinational pharmaceutical corporations who make a ton of money off of vaccines and their effects who forcing children into doing something which is often against the will of the children's own parents.

I doubt that many 'anti-vaxxers' would give two shits if an adult wants to inject themselves with meth or _asks_ corp/gov to inject them with whatever so long as we don't have to pay for it.  Yes, it would be a general cost to society which as often as not we 'anti-vaxxers' will pay for, but it's not really worth the fight.

When you are talking about corp/gov destroying the health of a whole generation citizens starting on the first day life, that is a whole different ball of wax.  It means effectively the end of the United States as it has been known in history, and _I_ suspect that that is exactly the goal of the very few at the top of the pyramid who are running the show.

Now of course I am in a minority of people who suspect something so dark.  But I was in a minority of people who thought Bitcoin was worth a chance in 2011.  This also by observing the goings-on at the top of the pyramid.

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BADecker, you say that unvaccinated kids are not as sick as vacicnated kids.
Hence people shouldn't use vaccines.

I have a question  for you :

Do you drink alcohol, do you smoke ? do you eat meat ? do you drink milk ?

Because all the above actions also lead to people being sicker than the ones restraining doing them.

Do you agree that alcohol, smoking, meat eating, milk drinking are bad and kill people ?

Looking forward to read your answer
legendary
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In another episode of 'taking one for the team':

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wxPdUePDuM

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The 'bumper music' from this vid:

I cannot say that vaccines don't 'work' (toward the goal of bringing us to full idiocracy), but I'm not going to give them all of the credit:



This could easily be a photoshoped hoax.  I would expect to see a lot of hoaxes floating around.  If someone gave me the tasked of dealing with the anti-vaxxer problem I would have my team produce a lot of easily debunked frauds and wait for them to be circulated around.  I find a lot of 'conspiracy theories' entirely plausible because they are exactly what I would do in certain conditions/situations.

edit: clarification

legendary
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If that is what you want in your vaccines, have at it. After all, the one-worlders want to reduce the population. Let it be you.


Vaccines found to contain pig virus DNA and monkey kidney cells… the "dirty" little secret the vaccine industry doesn’t want you to know.



A list of vaccine excipients released by the CDC provides insight into some of the most toxic ingredients that big pharmaceutical companies use in manufacturing vaccines. With the FDA and CDC insisting on the safety of these vaccines, larger drug firms continue to use these ingredients to cash in on their products while simultaneously disregarding public safety.

Vaccines heavily-laden with infected animal cells

The CDC’s list includes an array of excipients that use various vero cells taken from animal hosts. These cells have undergone great scrutiny as various clinical studies raised concerns about possible infection. An excipient found in polio vaccine, for example, contains cells from African green monkeys. Vero cells taken from this species of ape are known to be infected with Simian Virus 40, a DNA tumor virus associated with the onset of different types of cancer. Further analysis also revealed that the virus has a slow-moving an archetypal strain that drug manufacturers and regulators failed to monitor. The use of this infected vaccine excipient resulted in a significant increase in cancer rates since the 1960s.

A rotavirus vaccine also came under fire for using this excipient. A 2010 study published in the Journal of Virology found that the rotavirus vaccine contains a live simian virus, with researchers noting a 96 percent matching certainty. Another study confirmed the presence of an endogenous baboon virus in the same vaccine. The results appear in the journal Advances in Virology. Infected cells taken from diseased monkeys have also been feared to have tainted a smallpox vaccine. Warning indications for said vaccine include a host of adverse health conditions such as cardiac disease, blindness and encephalitis.


There are links to the CDC website in the article.


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legendary
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Now, even the courts are coming out into the open with their rulings on the dangers of vaccines.


Court Ruling Confirms Merck’s GARDASIL HPV Vaccine Kills People – Did Anyone Even Notice?



The infamous human papilloma virus (HPV) vaccine by Gardasil is in use around the world for both girls and boys, even though an American court has ruled beyond the shadow of a doubt that the vaccine can kill people.

The Tarsell family lost their 21-year-old daughter when she died shortly after getting this vaccine, and because of their determination to hold the vaccine maker accountable, they have proven that this vaccine is dangerous and needs to be removed from the schedule of vaccines.

No family should ever have to go through such an ordeal, but for the sake of justice for Christina Tarsell, the Tarsell family won an incredibly important judgement. Her story is told in brief, here:


Check this out - http://naturalsociety.com/anthony-gucciardi-speaks-gardasil-dangers-merck-corruption/ - and DuckDuckGo search for things like "Gardasil dangers."

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EDIT: Further from the article:
Vaccine makers pay an excise tax to this system for every vaccine they sell. This money (cost of doing business) is used to pay out damages to select families who can medically prove they were damaged by a vaccine. This system protects vaccine makers from being sued in a true court of law, ensuring that vaccines will continue to be manufactured for the “good of all.” [Source]
legendary
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Yeah, yeah. I know, I know. You're gonna remain healthy if it kills you.

Vaccine shot killed famed cancer doctor in mere minutes from "total organ failure" …


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Now that's what they call 'taking one for the team'!

It's also called a 'medical mistake' when you kill an important person like a politician or a doctor.  Or their relative.  There is no excuse for such an error now that we have databases which can track and correlate the medical records and financial assets of people on an individual level.  Those people are supposed to get 'special' injections which are befitting their class.  Proper AI will solve some of these minor issues.


The question is, once AI becomes a little self-aware, will it share the info with us?

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0070909/
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074559/

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legendary
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Yeah, yeah. I know, I know. You're gonna remain healthy if it kills you.

Vaccine shot killed famed cancer doctor in mere minutes from "total organ failure" …


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Now that's what they call 'taking one for the team'!

It's also called a 'medical mistake' when you kill an important person like a politician or a doctor.  Or their relative.  There is no excuse for such an error now that we have databases which can track and correlate the medical records and financial assets of people on an individual level.  Those people are supposed to get 'special' injections which are befitting their class.  Proper AI will solve some of these minor issues.

legendary
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Yes, but first tell me how many people who are not vaccinated arrive at the age where these conditions can be noticed?
How many anti-vaxers died for not being vaccinated, when they could prevent illness with a vaccine?

Of course, the lower the number of people, the lower the odds. It's normal since 80% of americans who are vaccinated have higher
chances of developing these conditions, while the others 20% have lower chances because they are less. Can you see it now?

This is a propaganda image used to switch your opinion. Me no likey likey


Yeah, yeah. I know, I know. You're gonna remain healthy if it kills you.


Vaccine shot killed famed cancer doctor in mere minutes from "total organ failure" …



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State-run media desperately tries to cover it up.

Dr. Martin Gore, a widely celebrated cancer doctor credited with “saving thousands of lives” died from “total organ failure” just minutes after receiving a vaccine shot yesterday. Dr. Gore was a professor of cancer medicine at the Institute of Cancer Research based in London. He “died suddenly yesterday after a routine inoculation for yellow fever,” reports The Times (UK).

“His death highlights the increased risks associated with the vaccine for the growing number of older travellers visiting exotic destinations,” the paper explains.

It also underscores the horrific price of believing in Big Pharma, chemotherapy and vaccines. Throughout his career, Dr. Gore oversaw the harming of tens of thousands of children who were subjected to toxic chemotherapy and radiation treatments. Ultimately, he was killed by his own false belief in the safety of vaccines, another weaponized form of toxic medicine. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

So far, the U.S. media has completely blacked out the story in yet another effort to silence any truth about the deadly dangers of vaccines. There isn’t a single establishment news outlet in the United States that has accurately reported on this vaccine-induced sudden death of a cancer doctor...


Don't worry. If you are a Christian, you will go to Heaven anyway. Just another casualty on the war to reduce the populations of the world.


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Yes, but first tell me how many people who are not vaccinated arrive at the age where these conditions can be noticed?
How many anti-vaxers died for not being vaccinated, when they could prevent illness with a vaccine?

Of course, the lower the number of people, the lower the odds. It's normal since 80% of americans who are vaccinated have higher
chances of developing these conditions, while the others 20% have lower chances because they are less. Can you see it now?

This is a propaganda image used to switch your opinion. Me no likey likey

legendary
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How important is the most important? When it comes to proof that vaccines are causing autism, they ALL are important.


The Most Important Ten Minute Video on Vaccines and Autism EVER!



Will Trump Act?

By Kent Heckenlively, JD

Just below is a ten minute video by Sharyl Atkisson I want you to watch. It talks about an Affidavit recently produced by a government expert, Dr Andrew Zimmerman, who was dismissed from an important Autism case at the last minute, to cover up the fact that he had told the DOJ attorneys in private that “In fact, vaccines do cause Autism.”

I have written about this before here on the BolenReport – last September I pointed out:

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 U.S. Attorneys Withheld Evidence in Autism Omnibus Proceeding…

YOU Can Take Action… By Kent Heckenlively, JD For those who are unaware of the history of this issue… …in the late to mid 2000s more than 5,000 Autism cases went through a bizarre procedure called the Autism Omnibus Proceeding (AOP) as part of the so-called “Vaccine Court” in which several test cases were reviewed … Continue reading

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In that article I said:
For those who are unaware of the history of this issue…

…in the late to mid 2000s more than 5,000 Autism cases went through a bizarre procedure called the Autism Omnibus Proceeding (AOP) as part of the so-called “Vaccine Court” in which several test cases were reviewed for the proposition that vaccines can cause autism.

I know I should probably write more about this video…

…but the truth is after sixteen years of articles, two books, more than a hundred radio interviews, I’m tired of saying the same old thing:  “Vaccines cause autism and we are being lied to on a massive scale.”


FULL MEASURE: January 6, 2019 - The Vaccination Debate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XUM2gvfbW8




BONUS VIDEO


The Irrefutable Argument Against Vaccine Safety - with Author Del Bigtree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJh3TiCFJH4



Do you still doubt that vaccines are dangerous?


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"CDC’s Own Expert Vaccine Court Witness Confirmed Vaccines Can Cause Autism, So They Fired Him Immediately"

http://fullmeasure.news/news/cover-story/the-vaccination-debate

Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

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There have been a number of surveys before, comparing health status among children who have been vaccinated and not injected. For example, in 1992, the Association for Immunization Awareness (IAS) conducted a survey to better understand the health situation of children in New Zealand. The researchers received 495 questionnaires, including 226 vaccinated children and 269 unvaccinated children. Results showed that children who were not vaccinated had fewer chronic diseases than children who were vaccinated. Research results of TS. Mike Godfrey in 1999 is quite similar to IAS.
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Anyone who does not support the right to refuse vaccinations does not understand the power they are giving away. They are like the anti second amendment crowd who thinks disarming the population is the "smart" thing to do. Future drones announcing their willingness to be conditioned and controlled by the strong hand of "elect" human conditioners.

It is like this for any freedom, except the freedom to take away the freedom of others, except when they take your freedom away using their freedom, first.

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You may drive out nature with a pitchfork,
Yet she will ever hurry back over your foolish contempt.

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epistles, 1:10:24 - horace - 65-8 b.c.e.

This is certainly true.

C.S. Lewis described the process in detail and taken to its logical conclusion in his Abolition of Man.

Here is a video on his thesis that is very much worth watching. It describes the natural arc and end of man's "triumph" over nature.

The Abolition of Man
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=idgYLTnSzxI&list=PL9boiLqIabFh94-pJbd8RH2f2YXQwmOGD

I don't buy the idea that our 'best scientists' are not bright enough or observant enough to not see what is going on.  More and more I find the most compelling hypothesis to be that there is a specific plan, or at least a general plan, driving this insanity.

I used to be skeptical of "specific plan" hypothesis favoring Hanlon's razor as the most probable explanation for such things.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity"

That said as the years go by I increasingly feel that the difference between untruth, stupidity, and malice is mostly cosmetic. It all seems to eventually end in the same place. I am sure you remember this story that was never debunked but just faded away remarkably uncovered and with a very unconvincing denial.

WHO and UNICEF Secretly Sterilizing Women in Poor Nations?
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.9911254

Most of the people who administered those "fertility vaccines" to the unsuspecting were probably employees who thought they were giving a routine vaccination. Most of the scientist who developed it probably thought they were working on a form of voluntary birth control. Those who funded and deployed it probably honestly thought they were doing so in a spirit of altruism. As the old saying goes the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

Anyone who does not support the right to refuse vaccinations does not understand the power they are giving away. They are like the anti second amendment crowd who thinks disarming the population is the "smart" thing to do. Future drones announcing their willingness to be conditioned and controlled by the strong hand of "elect" human conditioners.
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The question has to do with the dangers of vaccines. Watch the following video, which applies to measles and other diseases:

Vaccination Destroys Natural Herd Immunity and Weakens The Population

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vlqyj_uyzBc



These are very complex issues so I will do my best to unpack them to the best of my ability.
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It is a fundamental observation from ecology that 'one can never do just one thing.'

This has been recognized by wise people for quite a long time:

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You may drive out nature with a pitchfork,
Yet she will ever hurry back over your foolish contempt.

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epistles, 1:10:24 - horace - 65-8 b.c.e.

In the present day, for pubic consumption, chanting 'herd immunity' is good enough to win over 95% of the peeps, and that's good enough to get forced vaccinations for all at gunpoint.  Safe to nowadays where technology (esp, databases, and computerized financial and medical records) can identify the 'deserving' on an individual level.

I don't buy the idea that our 'best scientists' are not bright enough or observant enough to not see what is going on.  More and more I find the most compelling hypothesis to be that there is a specific plan, or at least a general plan, driving this insanity.

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All vaccines are not created equal.  Different countries have different 'needs' and get different vaccines.  For instance, it is a recognized matter of national security of the U.S. for there to be fewer Filipinos because they have minerals that we want.  The hCG laced 'tetanus' vaccines which covertly sterilized some of the females of that population came from a specialty lab in Canada.

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Security_Study_Memorandum_200

These people are obviously psychopaths and I cannot understand why anyone would trust them.  Oh well.  Ultimately fewer people like Astergarth would be generally helpful for the species, but I still wouldn't do his kids like that.  But that's just me.

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Looks to me like the gun has been turned around and pointed squarely at the U.S., and I cannot say we don't deserve it.

Autistic people are much less likely to breed successfully and contribute to the (perceived) overpopulation problem.  And they may be easier to harvest 'young blood' from which is all the rage among the wealthy these days.

Occasionally you'll get a high-functioning Ausbergers.  These people, who often lack any normal form of empathy, can make great bureaucrats.  Also they can contribute in a variety of ways to the various necessary genocides like the one in Yemen.  Or they can get involved in further vaccine 'research' and perpetuate the cycle.

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