Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated: Guess who is Sicker? - page 18.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 27, 2018, 04:36:06 PM

Quote from: Astargath on November 27, 2018, 04:23:53 PM

''As it is, there don't seem to be any safety test reports.'' Do you want to confirm this statement?? Because I'm about to show you some reports that show how the test worked, the results and who conducted it, but only if you say you will accept defeat and admit you lost when I show them to you, deal?

LOL! You found a few test reports, eh? Took you long enough.

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I found thousands but are you going to admit you lost when I present them or ignore them as usual? Are you confirming your statement or not? ''As it is, there don't seem to be any safety test reports.''

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Quote from: Astargath on November 27, 2018, 04:23:53 PM

''As it is, there don't seem to be any safety test reports.'' Do you want to confirm this statement?? Because I'm about to show you some reports that show how the test worked, the results and who conducted it, but only if you say you will accept defeat and admit you lost when I show them to you, deal?

LOL! You found a few test reports, eh? Took you long enough.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 27, 2018, 03:45:05 PM

Quote from: Astargath on November 27, 2018, 04:35:59 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 26, 2018, 04:36:38 PM

Quote from: Astargath on November 26, 2018, 12:53:06 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 26, 2018, 12:10:55 PM

You can't trust the guy who passes you when you are walking down the sidewalk. Even in New York City where thousands pass each other on the sidewalks, daily. You can't trust any of them. Go live on a mountain top. How about the second highest one... Everest. I know, I know. You are probably there already.

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Well, I trust people, you are the one who doesn't. You also seem to think that the ''government'' or ''cops'' are not people, they are people just like you and me, there is little difference. My point was that if you can't trust the government, then you can't trust anyone, so why are you trusting the guys that are packing your food right now?

The latest major point in this thread was the proof that government is not trustworthy. For the last 32 years, they haven't filed even one safety report regarding vaccines that they were supposed to file. Just scroll back through the last few pages to find the websites regarding this.

What? Are you in government? Is this why you say that we should trust government? Especially when we see that they are not trustworthy? You ARE joking, aren't you?

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''they haven't filed even one safety report regarding vaccines that they were supposed to file.'' Oh god, again, I linked 10 different safety reports they have been filling for decades..

''the National Vaccine Advisory Committee (NVAC), established in 1987, has had regular meetings and published regular reports about vaccine safety''
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/research/iomreports/index.html
Then there is the ACC, ACIP, the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), etc etc, all of them with plenty of safety reports. You are a liar, dishonest person with Alzheimer's probably since you don't seem to remember much of anything. There you have plenty of vaccine safety reports.

Publishing reports about vaccine safety isn't the same as publishing vaccine safety reports.

Reports about vaccine safety can suggest anything, whether it's true or not.

Vaccine safety reports publish the actual testing done, how the test worked, the results of the test, who you can talk to who actually conducted the test listed in the report, who you can take to court to get them to admit that the test was this way or that under oath, possibly the names of test subjects, and all kinds of other details about the test.

As it is, there don't seem to be any safety test reports. There might be a bunch of reports about safety, but there aren't any test reports where the stuff in the reports about safety was applied to tests, and the test results reported on in detail.

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''As it is, there don't seem to be any safety test reports.'' Do you want to confirm this statement?? Because I'm about to show you some reports that show how the test worked, the results and who conducted it, but only if you say you will accept defeat and admit you lost when I show them to you, deal?

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Quote from: Astargath on November 27, 2018, 04:35:59 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 26, 2018, 04:36:38 PM

Quote from: Astargath on November 26, 2018, 12:53:06 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 26, 2018, 12:10:55 PM

You can't trust the guy who passes you when you are walking down the sidewalk. Even in New York City where thousands pass each other on the sidewalks, daily. You can't trust any of them. Go live on a mountain top. How about the second highest one... Everest. I know, I know. You are probably there already.

Cool

Well, I trust people, you are the one who doesn't. You also seem to think that the ''government'' or ''cops'' are not people, they are people just like you and me, there is little difference. My point was that if you can't trust the government, then you can't trust anyone, so why are you trusting the guys that are packing your food right now?

The latest major point in this thread was the proof that government is not trustworthy. For the last 32 years, they haven't filed even one safety report regarding vaccines that they were supposed to file. Just scroll back through the last few pages to find the websites regarding this.

What? Are you in government? Is this why you say that we should trust government? Especially when we see that they are not trustworthy? You ARE joking, aren't you?

Cool

''they haven't filed even one safety report regarding vaccines that they were supposed to file.'' Oh god, again, I linked 10 different safety reports they have been filling for decades..

''the National Vaccine Advisory Committee (NVAC), established in 1987, has had regular meetings and published regular reports about vaccine safety''
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/research/iomreports/index.html
Then there is the ACC, ACIP, the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), etc etc, all of them with plenty of safety reports. You are a liar, dishonest person with Alzheimer's probably since you don't seem to remember much of anything. There you have plenty of vaccine safety reports.

Publishing reports about vaccine safety isn't the same as publishing vaccine safety reports.

Reports about vaccine safety can suggest anything, whether it's true or not.

Vaccine safety reports publish the actual testing done, how the test worked, the results of the test, who you can talk to who actually conducted the test listed in the report, who you can take to court to get them to admit that the test was this way or that under oath, possibly the names of test subjects, and all kinds of other details about the test.

As it is, there don't seem to be any safety test reports. There might be a bunch of reports about safety, but there aren't any test reports where the stuff in the reports about safety was applied to tests, and the test results reported on in detail.

Cool

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Quote from: tvbcof on November 27, 2018, 08:19:46 AM

Quote from: Astargath on November 27, 2018, 04:35:59 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 26, 2018, 04:36:38 PM

The latest major point in this thread was the proof that government is not trustworthy. For the last 32 years, they haven't filed even one safety report regarding vaccines that they were supposed to file. Just scroll back through the last few pages to find the websites regarding this.
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''they haven't filed even one safety report regarding vaccines that they were supposed to file.'' Oh god, again, I linked 10 different safety reports they have been filling for decades..

''the National Vaccine Advisory Committee (NVAC), established in 1987, has had regular meetings and published regular reports about vaccine safety''
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/research/iomreports/index.html
Then there is the ACC, ACIP, the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), etc etc, all of them with plenty of safety reports. You are a liar, dishonest person with Alzheimer's probably since you don't seem to remember much of anything. There you have plenty of vaccine safety reports.

Sorry chief. Having a gaggle of highly compromised instututions pump out reports which often say not very much, and half of that time they actually say the opposite of the 'safe and effective' mantra anyway if one bothers to read them, is NOT the same thing as the legal mandate to supply reports to congress.

Providing fake reports to congress in response to an unambiguous mandate would be a crime. And likely a very significant crime. It seems highly likely that nobody had the balls to take that chance and figured it was safer to just pull the 'dog ate my homework' trick. And it worked for years.

As for VAERS, a lot of doctors who I've heard speak on the subject say it's a joke. I seem to recall the best estimate about reported complications/issues being around 7%. Even that 7% is enough to turn real doctors and scientists who are not to lazy (or compromised) to actually look at the data as white as a sheet.

Hey if that's the way you want to use to ignore thousands of safety reports and thousands of other reports about vaccines, that's fine but it's certainly not a very scientific argument to say ''hurr durr'' they are probably just fake or bad. Then again, if that's how you cope with evidence, it's fine.

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Quote from: Astargath on November 27, 2018, 04:35:59 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 26, 2018, 04:36:38 PM

The latest major point in this thread was the proof that government is not trustworthy. For the last 32 years, they haven't filed even one safety report regarding vaccines that they were supposed to file. Just scroll back through the last few pages to find the websites regarding this.
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''they haven't filed even one safety report regarding vaccines that they were supposed to file.'' Oh god, again, I linked 10 different safety reports they have been filling for decades..

''the National Vaccine Advisory Committee (NVAC), established in 1987, has had regular meetings and published regular reports about vaccine safety''
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/research/iomreports/index.html
Then there is the ACC, ACIP, the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), etc etc, all of them with plenty of safety reports. You are a liar, dishonest person with Alzheimer's probably since you don't seem to remember much of anything. There you have plenty of vaccine safety reports.

Sorry chief. Having a gaggle of highly compromised instututions pump out reports which often say not very much, and half of that time they actually say the opposite of the 'safe and effective' mantra anyway if one bothers to read them, is NOT the same thing as the legal mandate to supply reports to congress.

Providing fake reports to congress in response to an unambiguous mandate would be a crime. And likely a very significant crime. It seems highly likely that nobody had the balls to take that chance and figured it was safer to just pull the 'dog ate my homework' trick. And it worked for years.

As for VAERS, a lot of doctors who I've heard speak on the subject say it's a joke. I seem to recall the best estimate about reported complications/issues being around 7%. Even that 7% is enough to turn real doctors and scientists who are not to lazy (or compromised) to actually look at the data as white as a sheet.

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Quote from: BADecker on November 26, 2018, 04:36:38 PM

Quote from: Astargath on November 26, 2018, 12:53:06 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 26, 2018, 12:10:55 PM

You can't trust the guy who passes you when you are walking down the sidewalk. Even in New York City where thousands pass each other on the sidewalks, daily. You can't trust any of them. Go live on a mountain top. How about the second highest one... Everest. I know, I know. You are probably there already.

Cool

Well, I trust people, you are the one who doesn't. You also seem to think that the ''government'' or ''cops'' are not people, they are people just like you and me, there is little difference. My point was that if you can't trust the government, then you can't trust anyone, so why are you trusting the guys that are packing your food right now?

The latest major point in this thread was the proof that government is not trustworthy. For the last 32 years, they haven't filed even one safety report regarding vaccines that they were supposed to file. Just scroll back through the last few pages to find the websites regarding this.

What? Are you in government? Is this why you say that we should trust government? Especially when we see that they are not trustworthy? You ARE joking, aren't you?

Cool

''they haven't filed even one safety report regarding vaccines that they were supposed to file.'' Oh god, again, I linked 10 different safety reports they have been filling for decades..

''the National Vaccine Advisory Committee (NVAC), established in 1987, has had regular meetings and published regular reports about vaccine safety''
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/research/iomreports/index.html
Then there is the ACC, ACIP, the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS), etc etc, all of them with plenty of safety reports. You are a liar, dishonest person with Alzheimer's probably since you don't seem to remember much of anything. There you have plenty of vaccine safety reports.

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Quote from: Astargath on November 26, 2018, 12:53:06 PM

Quote from: BADecker on November 26, 2018, 12:10:55 PM

You can't trust the guy who passes you when you are walking down the sidewalk. Even in New York City where thousands pass each other on the sidewalks, daily. You can't trust any of them. Go live on a mountain top. How about the second highest one... Everest. I know, I know. You are probably there already.

Cool

Well, I trust people, you are the one who doesn't. You also seem to think that the ''government'' or ''cops'' are not people, they are people just like you and me, there is little difference. My point was that if you can't trust the government, then you can't trust anyone, so why are you trusting the guys that are packing your food right now?

The latest major point in this thread was the proof that government is not trustworthy. For the last 32 years, they haven't filed even one safety report regarding vaccines that they were supposed to file. Just scroll back through the last few pages to find the websites regarding this.

What? Are you in government? Is this why you say that we should trust government? Especially when we see that they are not trustworthy? You ARE joking, aren't you?

Cool

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I think vaccination is a deal of every person, and government should introduce some vaccination programs to common diseases )

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Quote from: BADecker on November 26, 2018, 12:10:55 PM

Quote from: Astargath on November 26, 2018, 11:29:29 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 26, 2018, 07:25:26 AM

Quote from: Astargath on November 26, 2018, 04:45:01 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 25, 2018, 03:24:25 PM

If you trust government for the correct decision, you are really trusting some people to make some decision for you. And who knows why they decide the way they do. It's probably for money, but it most certainly isn't because they know better than other people.

People should make their own decisions about being vaccinated.

Cool

Then I hope you don't buy anything from anywhere, no groceries, no clothes, no tv's. You are trusting other people, maybe fruits are poisoned, maybe your TV hears and watches you. I hope you make your own clothes, electronics and harvest your own food. Can't trust anyone...

I am so happy for you. You finally have made your own decision! You have decided to let other people make your decisions for you. I am curious. Who makes your decisions for you regarding what to post in this forum? Please inform me (us... other forum members) of this. Thank you.

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EDIT: Another question. Who decided for you that you would let others make your decisions for you?

But are you buying your food or making it? Why are you trusting them, have you done your research regarding food? See.. You guys never apply the same criteria to everything, only what you care about, in this case vaccines.

You can't trust the guy who passes you when you are walking down the sidewalk. Even in New York City where thousands pass each other on the sidewalks, daily. You can't trust any of them. Go live on a mountain top. How about the second highest one... Everest. I know, I know. You are probably there already.

Cool

Well, I trust people, you are the one who doesn't. You also seem to think that the ''government'' or ''cops'' are not people, they are people just like you and me, there is little difference. My point was that if you can't trust the government, then you can't trust anyone, so why are you trusting the guys that are packing your food right now?

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Quote from: Astargath on November 26, 2018, 11:29:29 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 26, 2018, 07:25:26 AM

Quote from: Astargath on November 26, 2018, 04:45:01 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 25, 2018, 03:24:25 PM

If you trust government for the correct decision, you are really trusting some people to make some decision for you. And who knows why they decide the way they do. It's probably for money, but it most certainly isn't because they know better than other people.

People should make their own decisions about being vaccinated.

Cool

Then I hope you don't buy anything from anywhere, no groceries, no clothes, no tv's. You are trusting other people, maybe fruits are poisoned, maybe your TV hears and watches you. I hope you make your own clothes, electronics and harvest your own food. Can't trust anyone...

I am so happy for you. You finally have made your own decision! You have decided to let other people make your decisions for you. I am curious. Who makes your decisions for you regarding what to post in this forum? Please inform me (us... other forum members) of this. Thank you.

Cool

EDIT: Another question. Who decided for you that you would let others make your decisions for you?

But are you buying your food or making it? Why are you trusting them, have you done your research regarding food? See.. You guys never apply the same criteria to everything, only what you care about, in this case vaccines.

You can't trust the guy who passes you when you are walking down the sidewalk. Even in New York City where thousands pass each other on the sidewalks, daily. You can't trust any of them. Go live on a mountain top. How about the second highest one... Everest. I know, I know. You are probably there already.

Cool

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Quote from: BADecker on November 26, 2018, 07:25:26 AM

Quote from: Astargath on November 26, 2018, 04:45:01 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 25, 2018, 03:24:25 PM

If you trust government for the correct decision, you are really trusting some people to make some decision for you. And who knows why they decide the way they do. It's probably for money, but it most certainly isn't because they know better than other people.

People should make their own decisions about being vaccinated.

Cool

Then I hope you don't buy anything from anywhere, no groceries, no clothes, no tv's. You are trusting other people, maybe fruits are poisoned, maybe your TV hears and watches you. I hope you make your own clothes, electronics and harvest your own food. Can't trust anyone...

I am so happy for you. You finally have made your own decision! You have decided to let other people make your decisions for you. I am curious. Who makes your decisions for you regarding what to post in this forum? Please inform me (us... other forum members) of this. Thank you.

Cool

EDIT: Another question. Who decided for you that you would let others make your decisions for you?

But are you buying your food or making it? Why are you trusting them, have you done your research regarding food? See.. You guys never apply the same criteria to everything, only what you care about, in this case vaccines.

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Quote from: Astargath on November 26, 2018, 04:45:01 AM

Quote from: BADecker on November 25, 2018, 03:24:25 PM

If you trust government for the correct decision, you are really trusting some people to make some decision for you. And who knows why they decide the way they do. It's probably for money, but it most certainly isn't because they know better than other people.

People should make their own decisions about being vaccinated.

Cool

Then I hope you don't buy anything from anywhere, no groceries, no clothes, no tv's. You are trusting other people, maybe fruits are poisoned, maybe your TV hears and watches you. I hope you make your own clothes, electronics and harvest your own food. Can't trust anyone...

I am so happy for you. You finally have made your own decision! You have decided to let other people make your decisions for you. I am curious. Who makes your decisions for you regarding what to post in this forum? Please inform me (us... other forum members) of this. Thank you.

Cool

EDIT: Another question. Who decided for you that you would let others make your decisions for you?

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Quote from: Astargath on November 26, 2018, 04:45:01 AM

Then I hope you don't buy anything from anywhere, no groceries, no clothes, no tv's. You are trusting other people, maybe fruits are poisoned, maybe your TV hears and watches you. I hope you make your own clothes, electronics and harvest your own food. Can't trust anyone...

Ya, everyone knows it's a 'crazy conspiracy theory' ^(tm) that TV's can listen to and watch their 'owners'. Doh!

OK, like so many other things, it used to be a 'crazy conspiracy theory'^(tm).

Astargath is such a 'smart-person'^(tm)! Much to 'smart'^(tm) to fall for these 'crazy conspiracy theories'^(tm), and especially the ones with question in any way the corp/gov vaccination regimes.

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“Participating in a UN advocated planning process would very likely bring out many of the conspiracy- fixated groups and individuals in our society… This segment of our society who fear ‘one-world government’ and a UN invasion of the United States through which our individual freedom would be stripped away would actively work to defeat any elected official who joined ‘the conspiracy’ by undertaking LA21. So we call our process something else, such as comprehensive planning, growth management or smart growth.”
J. Gary Lawrence, advisor to President Clinton’s Council on Sustainable Development.

Everyone likes to be 'smart' so this was a remarkably successful bit of marketing propaganda. Now we have 'smart phones', 'smart homes', 'smart meters', and I think they are toying with the idea of making the new so-called 'vaccines' be called 'smart vaccines' as well. Of course there is a 'risk' that the genetic material injected into the victim could integrate itself with the victim's own DNA and be passed on to 'future generations'. Could be a bug or a feature depending on who's perspective the 'risk' is viewed from. When it happens we can be sure it is 'smart'...cuz it's a 'smart vaccine' after all.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK284626/

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Quote from: BADecker on November 25, 2018, 03:24:25 PM

If you trust government for the correct decision, you are really trusting some people to make some decision for you. And who knows why they decide the way they do. It's probably for money, but it most certainly isn't because they know better than other people.

People should make their own decisions about being vaccinated.

Cool

Then I hope you don't buy anything from anywhere, no groceries, no clothes, no tv's. You are trusting other people, maybe fruits are poisoned, maybe your TV hears and watches you. I hope you make your own clothes, electronics and harvest your own food. Can't trust anyone...

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If you trust government for the correct decision, you are really trusting some people to make some decision for you. And who knows why they decide the way they do. It's probably for money, but it most certainly isn't because they know better than other people.

People should make their own decisions about being vaccinated.

Cool

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Quote from: Astargath on November 24, 2018, 02:25:28 PM

This thread is not about ''you couldn't argue against this proof that the government is breaking the law'' It's about vaccines, I thought you were actually smart, my bad. I don't need to argue against it, we already established that yes, they did not have those reports. Those reports are however not the only safety reports for vaccines, the government has provided thousands of other safety reports throughout the years.

Well it is rather convenient you get to exclude evidence that is counter to your position because it does not fit within the specific narrow band of discussion you unilaterally deem as valid now isn't it? Especially now after pages of you denying it even happened, now that you want to use it as a personal attack claiming I have no argument, it is not up for debate is it? As in every response, you include the usual ad hominem so your comments don't seem totally ineffectual.

Once again you unilaterally deem this fact irrelevant after denying it even happened. It has been established after I poked holes in your usual fallacious argument and forced you to admit it, and this is you trying to now feel like you got a "win". I never claimed those were the only safety reports, so again I don't need to defend your arguments.

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The point is, even if vaccines were well made, without any mercury or aluminum or mice-brain diseases, they might be worth it. But since they are causing all kinds of autoimmune diseases, it's not worth the precautions. Vaccinated are sicker by far, even though the sickness isn't always easy to find, and even though it appears many years later, and often in offspring.

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Based on the last episode of the good doctor, being Unvaccinated leaves you exposed to future serious sicknesses like polio and other deadly diseases. I guess staying Unvaccinated is sicker

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Quote from: TECSHARE on November 24, 2018, 01:28:51 PM

Quote from: Astargath on November 24, 2018, 01:15:32 PM

Quote from: TECSHARE on November 24, 2018, 01:01:12 PM

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Quote from: Astargath on November 24, 2018, 09:40:35 AM

Rofl, I don't think you understood what he said. It's like me saying the average height in USA is 5'9 and frogs are animals and then yelling HARD FACTS!!111 But what was the point of any of those ''hard facts'' what's the conclusion?

You do whatever mental gymnastics you need to to feel better about yourself. You stated "you nutjobs will just say the same old, ''it's fake'' ''it's a hoax'' ''those statistics are made up by the government'', and I never said any of those things. You don't get to make up arguments then demand I support them. Its more like me making documented statements of fact, you not having any good reply so you have to attribute bad arguments of others to me. Any conclusions I made I had previously already clearly stated.

You never made any statement, this thread is about vaccines and if they work or if the government is poisoning us, you never made your position clear, you are clearly afraid to do so, sorry to say but you are almost worse than badecker at this point, at least he is not a pussy.

I made plenty of statements, specifically regarding the fact that the government is not meeting its legal obligations in safety reporting as shown by the FOIA suit discussed earlier. Who the fuck made you the grand arbiter of what positions I must take? You are just pissed you can't write off every argument I make as a conspiracy theory like you do with him.

That's not an argument. The government doesn't meet its legal obligations regarding many things many times, it doesn't mean vaccines are harmful on purpose which is what is being argued here. I still don't know what your position is at all, you just came here and said some stupid things about scientific theories and then went on saying the same thing over and over again, thinking that you are way smarter than the others LUL :^)

Stick to your other discussions, this isn't for you...

Well again, I am glad we have you here to tell us what merits discussion. I don't know what we would do without you. I know you are still annoyed that I proved you are repeatedly using logical fallacies and character attacks because you couldn't argue against this proof that the government is breaking the law. You will get over it. Your pathetic attempt at gaining conformity via ostracization is again demonstrative of how you would rather use logical fallacies and personal attacks than have a legitimate debate.

This thread is not about ''you couldn't argue against this proof that the government is breaking the law'' It's about vaccines, I thought you were actually smart, my bad. I don't need to argue against it, we already established that yes, they did not have those reports. Those reports are however not the only safety reports for vaccines, the government has provided thousands of other safety reports throughout the years.

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