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Quote from: Maheshkumar_Hrangkhawl on July 11, 2017, 12:18:01 PM

How I hate topics like that, uneducated idiots looking for something they can protest against. And finding especially MOST important achievements of the 20th century they can be against now. Great!

What a fucking joke.

^^^ Another brainwashed joker. Cool

No I simply study medicine

Why did even the chinese in the 11th century infected their children with chickenpox? Why did Adam Reiman introduced the variolation in Europe (with the possiblity to die - why did the ppl did it back then?), why did Edward Jenner found out that you could get an immunization against chickenpox by applying cowpox fluid and basically invented the vacination.

Or were they all payed by evil pharma companies back then?

You don't have any clue how a vaccine works but spreading bullshit on the internet. And I am not to lazy to answer as I've to keep my post count

The best part of your posted article was this:
"must expose all kids to brain and health damaging chemicals that are far more dangerous than the chickenpox itself?"

Thats why I called you are joker bcs you are one, the chickepox vaccine is an "live attenuated vaccine" so you basically introduce the virus in LIVING form but weakend to the body thats it.
NO chemicals and the ppl writing this articles are also jokers.

You sound kinda religious. You want to close your eyes and ears to things that other people have found out. And when someone shows them to you, you would rather call him a joker.

There is nothing wrong in studying medicine. In fact, it is a noble thing to do. But if you ignore other studies that show the problems with things you learned while studying medicine, what are you, really? Aren't you in a religious capacity in doing this? Unless you are a Big Pharma troll, that is.

Probably there was a time when all vaccines were reasonably safe. This was in the days when conscientious doctors created their vaccines on the spot, under the best controlled conditions that they had, individually... like 150 years ago. But anybody can see that when Big Pharma mass manufactures something as sensitive as vaccines, that there is bound to be some mistake making.

So, what are you really after? The truth by trying to shut investigations down? By badmouthing investigators? By badmouthing someone who presents the alternative news?

This is a forum. So, what you say is recognized as at least reasonably acceptable to post. But what are you really trying to accomplish by posting it?

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150years ago the vaccination "when a doctor did it himself" was way more dangerous as you couldn't really figure out how virulent the virus still is. Nowadays in a huge production facility you can.

Vaccines of the past didn't have a bunch of additional chemicals in them that cause all kinds of poisoning of the body.

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Which chemical ? Tell me the name for example in the vaccine against chickenpox ?

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Quote from: BADecker on July 11, 2017, 11:41:11 AM

Chemotherapy found to SPREAD cancer throughout the body, warn scientists

I've also heard about this many times in the past. Cancer treatment is the worst application of modern medicine. The treatment is effective only in a few cases, and the patient suffers from intense pain due to repetitive sessions of radiotherapy and chemo. We need to find an effective treatment regimen for cancer, from stage 2a onwards.

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Quote from: BADecker on July 11, 2017, 11:41:11 AM

Chemotherapy found to SPREAD cancer throughout the body, warn scientists

I've also heard about this many times in the past. Cancer treatment is the worst application of modern medicine. The treatment is effective only in a few cases, and the patient suffers from intense pain due to repetitive sessions of radiotherapy and chemo. We need to find an effective treatment regimen for cancer, from stage 2a onwards.

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Chemotherapy found to SPREAD cancer throughout the body, warn scientists

Quote from: http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-07-10-chemotherapy-found-to-spread-cancer-throughout-the-body-warn-scientists.html

Though conventional medicine claims to be winning the war against cancer, along with the holistic health community, we at Natural News have consistently been trying to expose one of the biggest frauds known in human history: CHEMOTHERAPY.

Brainwashed by doctors, oncologists, and the mainstream media, most cancer patients think their only hope for survival is chemotherapy. In America, treating cancer is BIG business. Since the cancer industry makes billions of dollars each year, a cure is not what they are after.

Did you know that the number one side effect of chemotherapy is cancer? Conventional cancer treatments not only fail miserably, they are also designed to make cancer patients sicker. Though chemotherapy may shrink the initial tumor(s), what is happening in the background is far more important. It is the one dark and criminal truth nobody seems to knows about.

A new study published in the journal Science Translational Medicine earlier this month proved what we have been saying for decades; conventional cancer treatments cause more cancer. A team of scientists at New York's Albert Einstein College of Medicine has found compelling evidence that chemotherapy is only a short-term solution.

Eventually, the drugs will make you sick again, pushing patients towards a second round of expensive treatments. Clever money generating trick: Instead of helping patients to get rid of the disease, they temporarily put it on hold so they can take the dollars twice.

Chemotherapy kills more patients than cancer itself

In 2017, an estimated 1,688,780 new cancer cases are expected to be diagnosed and about 600,920 people will die from the disease in the United States, according to the annual report by the American Cancer Society.

The New York scientists explained that while shrinking the tumors, chemotherapy simultaneously opens new doorways for tumors to spread into the blood system, triggering more aggressive tumors which often result in death.

The researchers believe toxic chemo drugs switch on repair mechanisms in the body that allow tumors to grow back faster. Furthermore, Dr. George Karagiannis, lead author of the study, and his team found that two common chemo drugs increased the number of "doorways" on blood vessels which allowed cancer cells to spread to other parts of the body. The team also discovered that chemotherapy increased the number of cancer cells circulating the body and lungs of mice.

Though this study only investigated the effects of chemotherapy on breast cancer, the researchers are currently experimenting with other types of cancer to see if similar effects occur, reported The Telegraph.

Dr. Karagiannis noted that women receiving preoperative chemotherapy to treat breast cancer should be monitored to check if the cancer isn't circulating or creating more possibilities to spread. He recommends taking a small amount of tumor tissue after a few doses of preoperative chemotherapy. If the markers are increased, the therapy should be terminated immediately.

Read more and click the links at http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-07-10-chemotherapy-found-to-spread-cancer-throughout-the-body-warn-scientists.html.

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Quote from: Croin on July 11, 2017, 07:09:22 AM

Quote from: BADecker on July 11, 2017, 06:45:55 AM

Quote from: neon_colors01 on July 11, 2017, 10:00:41 AM

How I hate topics like that, uneducated idiots looking for something they can protest against. And finding especially MOST important achievements of the 20th century they can be against now. Great!

What a fucking joke.

^^^ Another brainwashed joker. Cool

No I simply study medicine

Why did even the chinese in the 11th century infected their children with chickenpox? Why did Adam Reiman introduced the variolation in Europe (with the possiblity to die - why did the ppl did it back then?), why did Edward Jenner found out that you could get an immunization against chickenpox by applying cowpox fluid and basically invented the vacination.

Or were they all payed by evil pharma companies back then?

You don't have any clue how a vaccine works but spreading bullshit on the internet. And I am not to lazy to answer as I've to keep my post count

The best part of your posted article was this:
"must expose all kids to brain and health damaging chemicals that are far more dangerous than the chickenpox itself?"

Thats why I called you are joker bcs you are one, the chickepox vaccine is an "live attenuated vaccine" so you basically introduce the virus in LIVING form but weakend to the body thats it.
NO chemicals and the ppl writing this articles are also jokers.

You sound kinda religious. You want to close your eyes and ears to things that other people have found out. And when someone shows them to you, you would rather call him a joker.

There is nothing wrong in studying medicine. In fact, it is a noble thing to do. But if you ignore other studies that show the problems with things you learned while studying medicine, what are you, really? Aren't you in a religious capacity in doing this? Unless you are a Big Pharma troll, that is.

Probably there was a time when all vaccines were reasonably safe. This was in the days when conscientious doctors created their vaccines on the spot, under the best controlled conditions that they had, individually... like 150 years ago. But anybody can see that when Big Pharma mass manufactures something as sensitive as vaccines, that there is bound to be some mistake making.

So, what are you really after? The truth by trying to shut investigations down? By badmouthing investigators? By badmouthing someone who presents the alternative news?

This is a forum. So, what you say is recognized as at least reasonably acceptable to post. But what are you really trying to accomplish by posting it?

Cool

Actually just to keep my post count I usally don't lose my time on forums.
But with banners and co you need to keep posting so you get the ICO bounties.

150years ago the vaccination "when a doctor did it himself" was way more dangerous as you couldn't really figure out how virulent the virus still is. Nowadays in a huge production facility you can.

Vaccines of the past didn't have a bunch of additional chemicals in them that cause all kinds of poisoning of the body.

Cool

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I have not been vaccinated and i rarely got sick.
I dont know the difference between the two.
But my mom said that vaccinated people are sicker.

Anyway, it doesnt matter as long as we're living a healthy life.

Good for you. I remember when I was young I was always absent in our class because I am always sick. My mother used to bring me at health clinics for me to be vaccinated. I do not know but I am still sick.

Anyways, maybe there is reason behind you not being sick and yet without vaccination. Maybe your immune system is really strong and you are living in a clean and healthy and happy environment.

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If only our lizard brain could wrap around the concept that vaccines save lives. Here check it out from the man - John Oliver. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VG_s2PCH_c He crushes this exact topic.

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I have not been vaccinated and i rarely got sick.
I dont know the difference between the two.
But my mom said that vaccinated people are sicker.

Anyway, it doesnt matter as long as we're living a healthy life.

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i never get sick cant even remember the last time must have been 10 years or so...

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Quote from: BADecker on July 11, 2017, 06:45:55 AM

How I hate topics like that, uneducated idiots looking for something they can protest against. And finding especially MOST important achievements of the 20th century they can be against now. Great!

What a fucking joke.

^^^ Another brainwashed joker. Cool

No I simply study medicine

Why did even the chinese in the 11th century infected their children with chickenpox? Why did Adam Reiman introduced the variolation in Europe (with the possiblity to die - why did the ppl did it back then?), why did Edward Jenner found out that you could get an immunization against chickenpox by applying cowpox fluid and basically invented the vacination.

Or were they all payed by evil pharma companies back then?

You don't have any clue how a vaccine works but spreading bullshit on the internet. And I am not to lazy to answer as I've to keep my post count

The best part of your posted article was this:
"must expose all kids to brain and health damaging chemicals that are far more dangerous than the chickenpox itself?"

Thats why I called you are joker bcs you are one, the chickepox vaccine is an "live attenuated vaccine" so you basically introduce the virus in LIVING form but weakend to the body thats it.
NO chemicals and the ppl writing this articles are also jokers.

You sound kinda religious. You want to close your eyes and ears to things that other people have found out. And when someone shows them to you, you would rather call him a joker.

There is nothing wrong in studying medicine. In fact, it is a noble thing to do. But if you ignore other studies that show the problems with things you learned while studying medicine, what are you, really? Aren't you in a religious capacity in doing this? Unless you are a Big Pharma troll, that is.

Probably there was a time when all vaccines were reasonably safe. This was in the days when conscientious doctors created their vaccines on the spot, under the best controlled conditions that they had, individually... like 150 years ago. But anybody can see that when Big Pharma mass manufactures something as sensitive as vaccines, that there is bound to be some mistake making.

So, what are you really after? The truth by trying to shut investigations down? By badmouthing investigators? By badmouthing someone who presents the alternative news?

This is a forum. So, what you say is recognized as at least reasonably acceptable to post. But what are you really trying to accomplish by posting it?

Cool

Actually just to keep my post count I usally don't lose my time on forums.
But with banners and co you need to keep posting so you get the ICO bounties.

150years ago the vaccination "when a doctor did it himself" was way more dangerous as you couldn't really figure out how virulent the virus still is. Nowadays in a huge production facility you can.

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How I hate topics like that, uneducated idiots looking for something they can protest against. And finding especially MOST important achievements of the 20th century they can be against now. Great!

What a fucking joke.

^^^ Another brainwashed joker. Cool

No I simply study medicine

Why did even the chinese in the 11th century infected their children with chickenpox? Why did Adam Reiman introduced the variolation in Europe (with the possiblity to die - why did the ppl did it back then?), why did Edward Jenner found out that you could get an immunization against chickenpox by applying cowpox fluid and basically invented the vacination.

Or were they all payed by evil pharma companies back then?

You don't have any clue how a vaccine works but spreading bullshit on the internet. And I am not to lazy to answer as I've to keep my post count

The best part of your posted article was this:
"must expose all kids to brain and health damaging chemicals that are far more dangerous than the chickenpox itself?"

Thats why I called you are joker bcs you are one, the chickepox vaccine is an "live attenuated vaccine" so you basically introduce the virus in LIVING form but weakend to the body thats it.
NO chemicals and the ppl writing this articles are also jokers.

You sound kinda religious. You want to close your eyes and ears to things that other people have found out. And when someone shows them to you, you would rather call him a joker.

There is nothing wrong in studying medicine. In fact, it is a noble thing to do. But if you ignore other studies that show the problems with things you learned while studying medicine, what are you, really? Aren't you in a religious capacity in doing this? Unless you are a Big Pharma troll, that is.

Probably there was a time when all vaccines were reasonably safe. This was in the days when conscientious doctors created their vaccines on the spot, under the best controlled conditions that they had, individually... like 150 years ago. But anybody can see that when Big Pharma mass manufactures something as sensitive as vaccines, that there is bound to be some mistake making.

So, what are you really after? The truth by trying to shut investigations down? By badmouthing investigators? By badmouthing someone who presents the alternative news?

This is a forum. So, what you say is recognized as at least reasonably acceptable to post. But what are you really trying to accomplish by posting it?

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I do not think that all vaccines are useful and mandatory. From fatal diseases you can do, and for example, the influenza virus mutates annually and to do against it the vaccine in most cases is meaningless.

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Quote from: http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-07-10-vaccine-pushing-mainstream-media-now-pretending-that-chicken-pox-is-a-deadly-medical-emergency.html

How I hate topics like that, uneducated idiots looking for something they can protest against. And finding especially MOST important achievements of the 20th century they can be against now. Great!

What a fucking joke.

^^^ Another brainwashed joker. Cool

No I simply study medicine

Why did even the chinese in the 11th century infected their children with chickenpox? Why did Adam Reiman introduced the variolation in Europe (with the possiblity to die - why did the ppl did it back then?), why did Edward Jenner found out that you could get an immunization against chickenpox by applying cowpox fluid and basically invented the vacination.

Or were they all payed by evil pharma companies back then?

You don't have any clue how a vaccine works but spreading bullshit on the internet. And I am not to lazy to answer as I've to keep my post count

The best part of your posted article was this:
"must expose all kids to brain and health damaging chemicals that are far more dangerous than the chickenpox itself?"

Thats why I called you are joker bcs you are one, the chickepox vaccine is an "live attenuated vaccine" so you basically introduce the virus in LIVING form but weakend to the body thats it.
NO chemicals and the ppl writing this articles are also jokers.

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Vaccine-pushing mainstream media now pretending that chicken pox is a deadly medical emergency (it used to be considered no big deal)

In the past chickenpox was no big deal. Kids were put in oatmeal baths to avoid scratching and scarring. Although it can make a child feel miserable for a few days, symptoms are often mild and far from life-threatening.

Some people, backed by vaccine-pushing doctors and misinformed parents, still believe immunizing against an illness that has mild symptoms is a must to protect their child. Think about it, most of us had chickenpox as a kid without any long-term issues. For the majority of healthy kids, chickenpox is a rather unpleasant itchy illness and a nuisance for the parents who have to take time off work to look after their sick child.

So why is there such a big push to vaccinate children today? Though chickenpox is highly contagious and may cause serious complications on rare occasions, does that mean we must expose all kids to brain and health damaging chemicals that are far more dangerous than the chickenpox itself?

As a parent, we all want the best for our little one. What better way to push vaccines onto children than to scare their parents with horrific stories, highlighting the few rare cases where things didn’t turn out well.

Chickenpox is a common childhood disease caused by the varicella zoster virus, which is a member of the herpes virus family and associated with herpes zoster that may cause shingles later in life. (Related: Also read Chickenpox vaccine now causing shingles epidemic in children and adults.)

Read more at http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-07-10-vaccine-pushing-mainstream-media-now-pretending-that-chicken-pox-is-a-deadly-medical-emergency.html.

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How doctors got rich pushing Big Pharma’s addictive opioids

Quote from: http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-07-09-how-doctors-got-rich-pushing-big-pharmas-addictive-opioids.html

Fentanyl is the most powerful opioid that has ever been mass-marketed. Quick to kick in and powerful enough to conquer pain that other opioids couldn’t touch, it was designed with the intention of helping cancer patients die comfortably. Why, then, is this “heroin on steroids” given out to patients in New Jersey for routine operations like tonsil removal?

According to NJ.com, the answer is simple: money. Common sense says that oncologists should be the ones prescribing such a powerful and dangerous drug, but an investigation by New Jersey Advance Media revealed that in the Garden State, eight different medical specialties filed more claims with Medicare for fentanyl than cancer doctors. This includes family practitioners, who filed more than five times the number of fentanyl claims from 2013 to 2015 than oncologists did. Even nurse practitioners and physicians’ assistants were heavy prescribers.

It’s probably no coincidence that during the same time period, doctors in the state were paid more than $1.67 million by Big Pharma companies marketing different forms of the drug. Deaths from fentanyl in the state rose from 42 in 2013 to an incredible 417 in 2015, and it’s pretty clear who is to blame.

Read more at http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-07-09-how-doctors-got-rich-pushing-big-pharmas-addictive-opioids.html.

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If prescription medicine is such a modern scientific feat, why do Americans who are on medications remain the sickest people?

Quote from: http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-07-10-if-prescription-medicine-is-such-a-modern-scientific-feat-why-do-americans-who-are-on-medications-remain-the-sickest-people.html

As Americans, most of us are proud of our country, our freedoms, our rights, our armed forces and the privileges we are afforded on a day-to-day basis. We are also prone to accept every scientific accomplishment and new discovery as proof that we are on the cutting edge of advancement, without ever questioning anything. This leads too many of us to assume that every major modern medical invention should be heralded as something that can benefit mankind, when just the opposite is often true.

Are we not patriots if we simply question Western medicine? Are we not loyal Americans if we question chemicals as the mainstream way to treat illness, disease and disorder? Have we lost faith in “everything American” if we study the true history of the American Medical Association (AMA) and realize it’s a for-profit business created over a century ago with the main goal of using chemical medicine to cover up symptoms of sicknesses while helping the pharmaceutical and vaccine industries rake in billions of dollars every year?

Read more at http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-07-10-if-prescription-medicine-is-such-a-modern-scientific-feat-why-do-americans-who-are-on-medications-remain-the-sickest-people.html.

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How I hate topics like that, uneducated idiots looking for something they can protest against. And finding especially MOST important achievements of the 20th century they can be against now. Great!

What a fucking joke.

^^^ Another brainwashed joker. Cool

This is just going to descend into a stereotypical Internet 'debate', where neither party do anything except for assert extremely dumb things. He's "brainwashed", and you're an "uneducated idiot". Might as well just not bother arguing at all.

Personally, my thoughts are that if vaccines were some sort of corporate scheme to get your money, they wouldn't be recommended by all of the fully publicly-owned European health services (many of them).

Cherry-picking studies on either side is pointless. One group pretends that their studies are unbiased and the others are fake, while the other group does the same. That's why it's essential to have meta-analyses on vaccine safety, instead of relying on pseudoscience from anyone.

I also think that in countries with publicly-owned healthcare, qualified medical experts should have the decision of whether a child is vaccinated rather than the parent, because they have far more information on the topic than any random parent does and the child should not be put at risk.

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