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legendary
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May 14, 2021, 06:56:44 PM
Take it to a complaint thread in the right section or you are just spamming FUD, doesnt mean much sorry.

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unless the house edge is modified in their favor for marketing purposes.

That'd be fraud, its not that its just allowing for big numbers and higher revenue and sure they can win big on the same chances anyone can or just be seen to be playing alot either way its publicity and works to demonstrate games at the least and  encourages people to join etc.
hero member
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May 14, 2021, 06:36:23 PM
This is how marketing strategies work,  everything can be soooo interesting and also worthy to take when seeing from the advertisement and promotions . They will not care about what they use,  they only want to get more people to use the platforms.

And that is why we are ourselves that must be aware about it,  smart,  and also careful about that kind of promotion.  They will seem so legit. And many people become victims.
All of marketing would be coming in various forms and methods but as long it doesn't really on the way where scamming out people then it should be fine.

Just like what been said that it might be deceptive but no one had been forced out to play and if you do let yourself believe into those then its one's decision not theirs.

If theres someone who should be blamed then its yourself.Be wary on thing around you.
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royalstarscasino.com
May 14, 2021, 06:03:19 PM
This is how marketing strategies work,  everything can be soooo interesting and also worthy to take when seeing from the advertisement and promotions . They will not care about what they use,  they only want to get more people to use the platforms.

And that is why we are ourselves that must be aware about it,  smart,  and also careful about that kind of promotion.  They will seem so legit. And many people become victims.
legendary
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May 14, 2021, 02:58:44 AM
Every decision to play the slots is the responsibility of each person himself. Every time you play, at the same time you have to be ready to accept defeat or victory, there is nothing wrong with that. You just need to prepare well, whether you have a strategy to win or not.
You are out of the context by some margin but what is said is right. If you are 18+ and you are gambling then it is your responsibility that you are not influenced by a content creator.

Now coming back to the topic, I am not sure which streamers are doing this but from what I have seen on stake's official stream that is Eddie, he almost all the time loses on slots and if there was a chance that he streams to attract players then he would not show his losses and can replay his wins instead as some third party games allow wins to be replayed.

If stake is sponsoring any streamer you know that is asked to show his wins and hide their losses then you should post more details about it @OP. If there exist such streamers then they must mention that the funds they are using in the video are sponsored by the casino, that's for sure.

i don't know if we completely lost track of the discussions but afaik this is just whether the casinos using the streamers playing for them and then influence anyone watching them. if this marketing strategy is either moral or not it's just marketing. of course they won't show the loss otherwise they couldn't influence users to join and play. whether we can actually weigh which is right or wrong, they will still be doing it anyway because its not illegal in the eyes of the law.



hero member
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May 14, 2021, 01:50:05 AM
Every decision to play the slots is the responsibility of each person himself. Every time you play, at the same time you have to be ready to accept defeat or victory, there is nothing wrong with that. You just need to prepare well, whether you have a strategy to win or not.
You are out of the context by some margin but what is said is right. If you are 18+ and you are gambling then it is your responsibility that you are not influenced by a content creator.

Now coming back to the topic, I am not sure which streamers are doing this but from what I have seen on stake's official stream that is Eddie, he almost all the time loses on slots and if there was a chance that he streams to attract players then he would not show his losses and can replay his wins instead as some third party games allow wins to be replayed.

If stake is sponsoring any streamer you know that is asked to show his wins and hide their losses then you should post more details about it @OP. If there exist such streamers then they must mention that the funds they are using in the video are sponsored by the casino, that's for sure.
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May 14, 2021, 12:10:34 AM
Some of you guys must have watched high stake slot players in their pajamas rolling thousands of dollars in single spin, buying hundred of thousands worth of bonus spins. If you notice closely yo will found the same pattern all over again and again. They start with loosing most of their bank roll (almost 80-90%), and then going all in at last and guess what, bingo!!! they hit hundreds of thousands of dollars. Very few of them write in their stream discerption about rolling with fake money (or money of which they can only cash out like 1%). Almost all of them scream loudly and show us that they are winning it in real, some are very good at faking it, which attracts lots of new gamblers (with false expectations) and they end up loosing it all which ultimately leads to social disharmony.
The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.


when you created this thread, are you referring about Nitrogen? because month after here is your post against the said gambling site

As we know nitrogensports and nitrobetting are same,

I registered to nitrobetting.eu and won a freeroll which allowed me to enter in 1.5mbtc tournament. Please keep in mind that though I won my seat via free roll but the end tournament which I won was not free roll and many people buy for 0.1mbtc.
Fortunately I won the tournament and got 1.01mbtc as first prize. All thing are going smooth and I ordered a cash out.
Now the real story starts, first they told me that my payout will be processed in few minutes. (check image below)


When after waiting for hours to get my poker winnings, I again ping them on live chat then they started the story; They told me that there is a problem with your account and our account specialist will mail you.


Now suddenly all my winnings were gone and and they finally replied me this;

Our apologies about the confusion with your account.
Management has reviewed your account and determined how we will proceed.
Given the fact that your full account balance are winnings from a
freeroll, those funds are conditional.
You need to become an active client, with a valid deposit and provide us
with action in order to be able to cash out.
We have released your balance(1.01mBTC) as a bonus offer which you can
activate right now.
Once you have a deposit and start playing, your rake will count towards
turning the Freeroll winnings into cash.
We understand that you think your winnings were not a freeroll, but they
are promotional funds. You won a ticket on a freeroll and that ticket
granted you entry to another tournament where you won cash. So the full
balance is considered promotional funds.
Since you are not an active client and show no history of deposit, you
need to deposit into the account and be active in order for us to honor
promotional cash funds.
You can see the bonus offer right now on your account and activate it.
The 1.01 requires 5 times in rake in order to be released as cash (5.05
mBTC).
Let us know if you have any questions.
Lizbeth
Customer Support Manager


(check image below)




Now this is totally unacceptable for me. First of all its not a free roll that I won and second ally they just decided to convert my poker tournament winnings as a bonus, what a joke. So basically for getting my poker tournament winnings I have to pay 5 time the rake.
BTC

In case they have left any shame below is my bitcoin wallet for cash out

363tcwLPddaLCQc6rEGt7kEuP2MBH13L6j

Just pay that man his money.
i was only confused of your behavior over gambling sites.
copper member
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May 13, 2021, 11:12:58 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but these streamers and youtubers' statistics will still be in loss on long run even if they are using fake money
True, but a $1,000 loss in a session can be just $10 in actual money. It depends on the deal.
If he gets paid $500 in one streaming session, he will still get $500 - $10 = $490 profit.

In other words, the loss is so small that is negligible for his streaming operation.
hero member
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May 13, 2021, 07:22:14 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but these streamers and youtubers' statistics will still be in loss on long run even if they are using fake money, unless the house edge is modified in their favor for marketing purposes. In that case it would be a very serious situation. However if they are just being paid to advertise the casino brand, playing by the normal rules, it's normal they aren't going to risk their own money, right? Otherwise it doesn't make sense.
I just think in such situations the streamer/youtuber must state on his video description that it's a paid advertisement video, so the public will be aware the casino is sponsoring the video, consequently it will be a partial video in favor of the house.

If people are still disturbed by this marketing strategy I suggest them to stop listening to youtubers and stick only with the house edge and impartial feedbacks from independent reviews sites when choosing a casino to play.
hero member
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May 13, 2021, 06:12:58 PM
This has been the practice by many gambling sites but that doesn't mean that the gambling site is a scam, they employ many strategies and tactics so they can attract new players to their site, you cannot stop them it's up to you if you want to play and you should understand the risk of gambling, do not be a newbie who believes on everything you see online, you cannot be a crusader but you can educate people.

Everyone cant be pleased and there are really people who sees these things to be that a serious matter thats why they saying its an immoral thing but rather a typical marketing stragegy.

If you are person who does know about these scheme or set-up then better avoid that calling it immoral or treating it as a scam because its just part of strategies for them to get players.
Its isnt just right to be called immoral.

There are various ways other than this but these is a bit more in focused due to accessibility and potential users who could watch online.
legendary
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May 13, 2021, 04:03:11 PM
Another thing that happens, are people who are somehow known and are happy with certain bets. Bookmakers take advantage of the fact that this happens to a known person, to advertise.

This happened recently with a Portuguese comedian. Allegedly, he made a combination of bets, and was happy with all of them. Both he and the bookmaker announced this feat.
https://www.ojogo.pt/insolito/noticias/fernando-rocha-apostou-em-cheio-e-lucrou-mais-de-13-mil-euros--13713590.html

Now, do you think, he also didn’t earn extra money from the bookmaker, to announce his victory? Certainly won, but that part of the story is not revealed.
This is actually a simple strategy, if any famous person has a great victory, they advertise it. Giving a bonus for this announcement.
sr. member
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May 13, 2021, 10:03:20 AM
This has been the practice by many gambling sites but that doesn't mean that the gambling site is a scam, they employ many strategies and tactics so they can attract new players to their site, you cannot stop them it's up to you if you want to play and you should understand the risk of gambling, do not be a newbie who believes on everything you see online, you cannot be a crusader but you can educate people.
legendary
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May 13, 2021, 01:29:33 AM
I don't see a danger here, tbh. Who in the right mind seeing a video of someone doing an extraordinary thing thinks "Oh, great, I can do the same!"? We all know that winning with very high payouts/multipliers on slots is a very rare thing. If some people have false expectations after seeing those vids, idk, they should go see a doctor, probably.
I think that such YouTube commercials and fake streams are not harmless.  The operation of such advertising methods is more complicated.  Even if a person clearly understands that these are fake videos, the thought still gets into the subconscious, "what if it really works out"?  And this is also an incentive for playing vabank.  So I see the harm from such advertising.  Especially when scam projects do it.
And rightly so, that at least in BTT, OP created a topic to expose such scammers.
hero member
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May 12, 2021, 06:55:23 PM
This is just another form of promotion and as marketing strategy it has been already pointed out several time and some country/youtuber more impacted.
It's should be declared clearly that there is a "connection" or a "promo" between the two sides like any other advertisement on social network.

Most of users are very expert about casinos and are pretty aware about these fake wins/promo.
The real problem, could arise when promotion will involve a scam casino or any other shady gambling site.


I don't think that the problem is with promoting any shady sites per se.

Most people who promote gambling sites on Youtube generally do so as an affiliate of some pretty well known sites (Duelbits, Roobet etc. where legitimacy is not really an issue).

What is really important is that they are concealing the fact that they are not playing with their own money, and they are able to pick and choose at what pieces of footage they want to keep (obviously the ones where they win) and which ones to discard.

That's the real danger here.
I don't see a danger here, tbh. Who in the right mind seeing a video of someone doing an extraordinary thing thinks "Oh, great, I can do the same!"? We all know that winning with very high payouts/multipliers on slots is a very rare thing. If some people have false expectations after seeing those vids, idk, they should go see a doctor, probably.
legendary
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May 12, 2021, 03:42:44 PM
Every decision to play the slots is the responsibility of each person himself. Every time you play, at the same time you have to be ready to accept defeat or victory, there is nothing wrong with that. You just need to prepare well, whether you have a strategy to win or not.

The requirement for minimum age exists because so that people have some sense of maturity and understating about value of money and its consequences if they lose it all. So every one need to ensure that they only gamble what they have and how much they can lose if they end up losing it.  So onus lies on individuals in the end.


Regarding this issue, it is sometimes delicate, in some places but traditional casinos restrict the passage to minors, however they are things that are often negotiated and let them pass, since they are under the guidance of older adults. Whenever there are sites that allow the passage of minors, it is because they have raffles, such as bingo halls, raffles, sometimes sports bets, but above all the ones that are lost the most is when horse races are held, which is very easy to lose the money there.

When a person sits at a slot machine, either in person or online, the person knows that they must first have fun, that they forget that they are out of necessity to win, otherwise the disappointment will be unique. In that case of minors, I do not know how immoral it is that they can play or access games of chance, it is in the latent possibilities, especially in online sites.
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May 12, 2021, 02:39:12 PM
Sooner you will understand Mate why this kind of strategy in marketing is in demand now. and why People still attracted to play in those sites even if they already knew about that style.
You only need to be mature and knowledgeable and not just crying like a child in things that you are not really affected.
I think that OP will have a hard time grasping the truth or OP could be in denial about it since I assume that OP has seen ads on televisions really different in real life.
Expectation vs Reality?

This is mostly true and its up to someone if they could take it or not.When it comes to marketing then these things arent really that new.

It isnt immoral because its clear that most funds been used are sponsored by the house or company.Its part of the strategy or marketing for them to get players.

If you do find it to be immoral then you can choose nor decide for yourself.
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May 11, 2021, 07:13:39 AM
Sooner you will understand Mate why this kind of strategy in marketing is in demand now. and why People still attracted to play in those sites even if they already knew about that style.
You only need to be mature and knowledgeable and not just crying like a child in things that you are not really affected.
I think that OP will have a hard time grasping the truth or OP could be in denial about it since I assume that OP has seen ads on televisions really different in real life.
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May 11, 2021, 07:08:52 AM
I don't think that the problem is with promoting any shady sites per se.

Most people who promote gambling sites on Youtube generally do so as an affiliate of some pretty well known sites (Duelbits, Roobet etc. where legitimacy is not really an issue).

What is really important is that they are concealing the fact that they are not playing with their own money, and they are able to pick and choose at what pieces of footage they want to keep (obviously the ones where they win) and which ones to discard.

That's the real danger here.

It's been an ongoing thing. Despite getting called out, those operators are either ignoring or not bother to address the concerns. So far no repercussions as long as players continue to flock to the site.

One of the advertisers here is known to offer the "Howie deal".
hero member
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May 11, 2021, 07:05:40 AM
This is just another form of promotion and as marketing strategy it has been already pointed out several time and some country/youtuber more impacted.
It's should be declared clearly that there is a "connection" or a "promo" between the two sides like any other advertisement on social network.

Most of users are very expert about casinos and are pretty aware about these fake wins/promo.
The real problem, could arise when promotion will involve a scam casino or any other shady gambling site.


I don't think that the problem is with promoting any shady sites per se.

Most people who promote gambling sites on Youtube generally do so as an affiliate of some pretty well known sites (Duelbits, Roobet etc. where legitimacy is not really an issue).

What is really important is that they are concealing the fact that they are not playing with their own money, and they are able to pick and choose at what pieces of footage they want to keep (obviously the ones where they win) and which ones to discard.

That's the real danger here.
sr. member
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May 11, 2021, 05:38:34 AM
Sooner you will understand Mate why this kind of strategy in marketing is in demand now. and why People still attracted to play in those sites even if they already knew about that style.
You only need to be mature and knowledgeable and not just crying like a child in things that you are not really affected.
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May 11, 2021, 05:01:21 AM

Casino is a lucrative business and people just like money that could be earned instantly with just a click. Even without the streamer influencers casino will always attract players.  You can see the same names coming up over and over in "ALL BETS". But its all marketing still.
Majority of them are and that's for sure, Because gambling tend for those who had a Big Brain and not for stupid losers  Grin

if you are Noob and loser then never get involved in gambling or else you will be a loser forever in your life.

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The one strategy that's very much disliked is the kid's logo or cute fluffy mascot which could attract kids to gambling.

And that is Illegal when you use to lure kids , and also will attract negative impact even in the regular gamblers that has children .
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