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Quote from: leea-1334 on May 16, 2021, 02:23:16 AM

I cannot read the thing,,, too blurry for my eyes. But if I am not mistaken Tone Vays himself is a big shiller/influencer. You can pay him to say whatever you want him to say. Now he is rich and he is a bit more picky but he deleted also a lot of videos and stuff in the ICO days that he said were good and turned out to be scam.

You mean that the posted image of me is blurry? If you click on it, the direct link to postimg.cc should open, there you can see the image clean and readable in any case.

But basically you're right: It's about the fact that a DeFi project would have paid a lot of money (500k) for Tone to promote this project among his followers so that they would buy and drive the price up. Tone then posted the request publicly under the title "How DeFi works".

Quote from: livingfree on May 16, 2021, 05:03:08 PM

That's what they'll do if they can review back those projects that they've helped and advertised that paid them much. And today, there's always the disclaimer from these popular influencers.

Do they really do that? I honestly only know it now from Coinbureau, who weeks before he reviews a coin, already announces that but does not give an exact date to avoid short-term pumps by his reviews.

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Quote from: leea-1334 on May 16, 2021, 02:23:16 AM

I cannot read the thing,,, too blurry for my eyes. But if I am not mistaken Tone Vays himself is a big shiller/influencer. You can pay him to say whatever you want him to say. Now he is rich and he is a bit more picky but he deleted also a lot of videos and stuff in the ICO days that he said were good and turned out to be scam.

That's what they'll do if they can review back those projects that they've helped and advertised that paid them much. And today, there's always the disclaimer from these popular influencers.

Why will he review the projects he helped when he already knew that from the start.

and also why He cares when he already Earned much from them?

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But if some don't choose to have the disclaimer then probably that's part of the contract that they shouldn't disclose anything related to the deal and to the advertisement that they're going to do with such video when they use the platform and experience to gamble on their own.

The only answer is? best to choose each site to play and that will save you from being victim by scammers.

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Quote from: thsceptic on March 30, 2021, 12:21:54 PM

This is where you can test a player if he is a new one or an old gambler, old gamblers do not fall into this kind of publicity stunt, they know the truth, they know that this is a promotional stunt to entice gamblers to play all their money, you cannot stop these gambling sites to hire these Youtubers to create videos like this, it's a win-win situation for both of them, but the gamblers end up losing here.

Seems like you're over criticizing that kind of promotions backed up by those casinos.. Yes there are videos that probably are made for "stunts" to just make the viewers believe that this casino is paying even large bets in which, at the end, there will be no cash outs that happened. On the otherhand, there are really players who just make videos just to be their content, sometimes their videos are sponsored tho.

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Quote from: thsceptic on March 30, 2021, 12:21:54 PM

Some of you guys must have watched high stake slot players in their pajamas rolling thousands of dollars in single spin, buying hundred of thousands worth of bonus spins. If you notice closely yo will found the same pattern all over again and again. They start with loosing most of their bank roll (almost 80-90%), and then going all in at last and guess what, bingo!!! they hit hundreds of thousands of dollars. Very few of them write in their stream discerption about rolling with fake money (or money of which they can only cash out like 1%). Almost all of them scream loudly and show us that they are winning it in real, some are very good at faking it, which attracts lots of new gamblers (with false expectations) and they end up loosing it all which ultimately leads to social disharmony.
The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

This is where you can test a player if he is a new one or an old gambler, old gamblers do not fall into this kind of publicity stunt, they know the truth, they know that this is a promotional stunt to entice gamblers to play all their money, you cannot stop these gambling sites to hire these Youtubers to create videos like this, it's a win-win situation for both of them, but the gamblers end up losing here.

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Quote from: leea-1334 on May 16, 2021, 02:23:16 AM

I cannot read the thing,,, too blurry for my eyes. But if I am not mistaken Tone Vays himself is a big shiller/influencer. You can pay him to say whatever you want him to say. Now he is rich and he is a bit more picky but he deleted also a lot of videos and stuff in the ICO days that he said were good and turned out to be scam.

That's what they'll do if they can review back those projects that they've helped and advertised that paid them much. And today, there's always the disclaimer from these popular influencers.

But if some don't choose to have the disclaimer then probably that's part of the contract that they shouldn't disclose anything related to the deal and to the advertisement that they're going to do with such video when they use the platform and experience to gamble on their own.

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Quote from: pilosopotasyo on May 16, 2021, 04:47:27 AM

Quote from: thsceptic on March 30, 2021, 12:21:54 PM

The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

Old members should remind new players of this manipulation, many gambling sites popular and new gambling sites are using this strategy it's effective for new players but for old players they know it's not possible and only a gimmick to entice new players to bet more and try their luck in hitting the jackpot, they want all the money that you have, to gamble and try your luck and motivate you that you will end up what you are seeing on Youtube.

Unfortunately it works, that is why casinos are doing it so much because it is something that just works marvels. I mean I would definitely not do something like this, no matter how much someone else earns it is never something I would do. I have also seen Hollywood movies where the hero wins tens of millions of dollars, but that is not how casinos work and that is just casinos paying Hollywood to make that kind of movies so that other people could make that kind of profit.

Long story short it is not really something that would be interesting to me because I know the data and the numbers, why would I be fooled by someone else "telling" me or "showing" me when I can just go ahead and see that there is a house edge so it is mathematically impossible for me to keep earning money? I know that and that is why I am not fooled by that, house edge should be thought very carefully.

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Quote from: thsceptic on March 30, 2021, 12:21:54 PM

The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

Old members should remind new players of this manipulation, many gambling sites popular and new gambling sites are using this strategy it's effective for new players but for old players they know it's not possible and only a gimmick to entice new players to bet more and try their luck in hitting the jackpot, they want all the money that you have, to gamble and try your luck and motivate you that you will end up what you are seeing on Youtube.

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Quote from: Lakai01 on May 15, 2021, 07:27:17 AM

Tone Vays posted the following query to him about this not too long ago. Here you can see how much streamers get paid just for saying what the respective client likes:

I cannot read the thing,,, too blurry for my eyes. But if I am not mistaken Tone Vays himself is a big shiller/influencer. You can pay him to say whatever you want him to say. Now he is rich and he is a bit more picky but he deleted also a lot of videos and stuff in the ICO days that he said were good and turned out to be scam.

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on May 14, 2021, 06:03:19 PM

This is how marketing strategies work, everything can be soooo interesting and also worthy to take when seeing from the advertisement and promotions . They will not care about what they use, they only want to get more people to use the platforms.

And that is why we are ourselves that must be aware about it, smart, and also careful about that kind of promotion. They will seem so legit. And many people become victims.

All of marketing would be coming in various forms and methods but as long it doesn't really on the way where scamming out people then it should be fine.

actually no one will give consent to scam advertising so basically this wont be allowable here.

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Just like what been said that it might be deceptive but no one had been forced out to play and if you do let yourself believe into those then its one's decision not theirs.

Exactly what's the point , You must risk at your own because even the ads is deceptive yet you are the one who will decide what to act.

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If theres someone who should be blamed then its yourself.Be wary on thing around you.

And if best , stay away from gambling that will save you from everything because there are \other areas were you can enjoy and have fun and not only in gambling.

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Quote from: mediaBuzz on May 15, 2021, 05:12:33 PM

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Do companies/websites/service providers go through forum's manual checks before being eligible to launch a signature campaign and let people with thousands of merit scores start promoting them by wearing their signature? Not. So, just because someone with a social influence "thinks" good about something, you cannot be sure that thing is good.

In fact, that's actually what happens. Especially for new and unknown projects, the forum community takes a closer look and scrutinizes the project. In case of the smallest irregularities, threads are immediately opened in "Scam Accusations" and the project has achieved exactly the opposite of what it actually wanted: good publicity through forum advertisements.

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Quote from: Pamadar on May 15, 2021, 10:09:06 AM

Though we can't deny that it attracts gamblers interest, there are people who wanted to have the same fate.

Not realizing that it's just part of marketing unavoidable to see that there are people who will lose a lot due to blindly follows those

influencers that they are trusting, part of the plan and it's really important to have your own responsibilities before taking your move

into this kind of activities, not all you see from social medias are true most of them are just to allure people, paid streamers who works with the site owners..

I am sure every people want to have the same fate, but unfortunately, our fate is different, which will happen too with our luck. We can not expect to have the same thing as the others so we do not have to use the money to just playing gambling.

When people can not think much about the market that they already saw, they will not have responsibilities to themselves instead of losing their money because they only follow what the ads offer. It is better to search for more information about the ads so we can avoid losing money.

It is our responsibility to filter everything we read from social media because the free information on the internet can make much fake information that can make us get in trouble if we can not be wise.

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Quote from: Lakai01 on May 15, 2021, 07:27:17 AM

Quote from: semobo on May 15, 2021, 12:04:49 AM

If someone thinks that they are doing spins with their own money then they are dump people but most people knows that the site itself sponsor the streamers to attract new players but its nit fake money all if them are real and probably fair.

Streamers are currently very much in demand and attract a lot of audience - and therefore have a very high advertising value. For example, look at well-known crypto streamers, they are hyping new coins almost every day. Why do you think that will be? Because they are so convinced of the coins or because they get a lot for promoting them?

Someone who is known among other people and that has influence always gets offers by product providers that aim to make people buy his product through the influencer. And most of the time promoter says he/she does not carry any responsibility and it's just business. It sometimes makes you angry when having a bad experience with a service that someone you knew and considered to be legit promotes in any way. For example, signature campaigns. Do companies/websites/service providers go through forum's manual checks before being eligible to launch a signature campaign and let people with thousands of merit scores start promoting them by wearing their signature? Not. So, just because someone with a social influence "thinks" good about something, you cannot be sure that thing is good.

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Quote from: Dread Pirate Roberts on May 15, 2021, 11:23:22 AM

Whatever marketing they use Gambling is Gambling nothing certainty in there but its not just about gambling or just about a game they think it in a different way such as opportunity. marketing its marketing as long not against law or ethic it's totally fine. most of the gambling marketing they paid people to play their games and I rare seeing someone gets paid to manipulate the game itself.

It is just there are people who cant really appreciate when they do saw someone which are bit misleading out people but honestly its just obvious that those streamers would really be using
sponsored money rather than on using their own money when playing on a certain site that had been advertised.

When you are already aware then better quiet rather than whining and complaining that it isnt ethical.Its normal that whatever companies running up a business would really be doing

several ways of marketing it might a little bit had some problems but i dont see for it to be a major issue.It is just others people impressions when it comes to this.

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Whatever marketing they use Gambling is Gambling nothing certainty in there but its not just about gambling or just about a game they think it in a different way such as opportunity. marketing its marketing as long not against law or ethic it's totally fine. most of the gambling marketing they paid people to play their games and I rare seeing someone gets paid to manipulate the game itself.

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Quote from: michellee on May 15, 2021, 09:56:57 AM

Quote from: Rengga Jati on May 14, 2021, 06:03:19 PM

This is how marketing strategies work, everything can be soooo interesting and also worthy to take when seeing from the advertisement and promotions . They will not care about what they use, they only want to get more people to use the platforms.

And that is why we are ourselves that must be aware about it, smart, and also careful about that kind of promotion. They will seem so legit. And many people become victims.

Yes, that is right. If we talk about marketing strategies, many ways that they will do and will make nice promotions to attract more people to come and play. It is our responsibility not to get tempted by their strategies and we should think wisely to visit their platform. We can not blame them because they only want to grow their business by attracting more people and if people come to their platform, people need to be aware of the risk because that is our money and we need to take care of the money.

Though we can't deny that it attracts gamblers interest, there are people who wanted to have the same fate.

Not realizing that it's just part of marketing unavoidable to see that there are people who will lose a lot due to blindly follows those

influencers that they are trusting, part of the plan and it's really important to have your own responsibilities before taking your move

into this kind of activities, not all you see from social medias are true most of them are just to allure people, paid streamers who works with the site owners..

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Quote from: Rengga Jati on May 14, 2021, 06:03:19 PM

This is how marketing strategies work, everything can be soooo interesting and also worthy to take when seeing from the advertisement and promotions . They will not care about what they use, they only want to get more people to use the platforms.

And that is why we are ourselves that must be aware about it, smart, and also careful about that kind of promotion. They will seem so legit. And many people become victims.

Yes, that is right. If we talk about marketing strategies, many ways that they will do and will make nice promotions to attract more people to come and play. It is our responsibility not to get tempted by their strategies and we should think wisely to visit their platform. We can not blame them because they only want to grow their business by attracting more people and if people come to their platform, people need to be aware of the risk because that is our money and we need to take care of the money.

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Quote from: Lakai01 on May 15, 2021, 07:27:17 AM

Quote from: semobo on May 15, 2021, 12:04:49 AM

If someone thinks that they are doing spins with their own money then they are dump people but most people knows that the site itself sponsor the streamers to attract new players but its nit fake money all if them are real and probably fair.

I would refrain from calling someone "dumb" just because they fall for marketing tricks, you wouldn't believe how often people fall for such tricks and false promises (even on a daily basis)

Streamers are currently very much in demand and attract a lot of audience - and therefore have a very high advertising value. For example, look at well-known crypto streamers, they are hyping new coins almost every day. Why do you think that will be? Because they are so convinced of the coins or because they get a lot for promoting them?

Tone Vays posted the following query to him about this not too long ago. Here you can see how much streamers get paid just for saying what the respective client likes:

People falling for other's tricks are dump in my opinion or they ignorant about their skills!

There are two type of people we can see everywhere, who want to give the best for the people and make some money from doing it, and some other people who want to do anything to make money so they don't even hesitate to put thousands of people at stake from their consequences, in reality the second type will be here for short time period so we can find who we should follow and who we shouldn't or its better don't follow anyone at all since we all have our own brain so we need to make our own analysis.

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Quote from: semobo on May 15, 2021, 12:04:49 AM

If someone thinks that they are doing spins with their own money then they are dump people but most people knows that the site itself sponsor the streamers to attract new players but its nit fake money all if them are real and probably fair.

I would refrain from calling someone "dumb" just because they fall for marketing tricks, you wouldn't believe how often people fall for such tricks and false promises (even on a daily basis)

Streamers are currently very much in demand and attract a lot of audience - and therefore have a very high advertising value. For example, look at well-known crypto streamers, they are hyping new coins almost every day. Why do you think that will be? Because they are so convinced of the coins or because they get a lot for promoting them?

Tone Vays posted the following query to him about this not too long ago. Here you can see how much streamers get paid just for saying what the respective client likes:

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Quote from: thsceptic on March 30, 2021, 12:21:54 PM

Some of you guys must have watched high stake slot players in their pajamas rolling thousands of dollars in single spin, buying hundred of thousands worth of bonus spins. If you notice closely yo will found the same pattern all over again and again. They start with loosing most of their bank roll (almost 80-90%), and then going all in at last and guess what, bingo!!! they hit hundreds of thousands of dollars. Very few of them write in their stream discerption about rolling with fake money (or money of which they can only cash out like 1%). Almost all of them scream loudly and show us that they are winning it in real, some are very good at faking it, which attracts lots of new gamblers (with false expectations) and they end up loosing it all which ultimately leads to social disharmony.
The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

Are you talking about the popular streamers? Who is doing such kind of promotion?

If someone thinks that they are doing spins with their own money then they are dump people but most people knows that the site itself sponsor the streamers to attract new players but its nit fake money all if them are real and probably fair.

So the decision is on the hand of us whether we want to spin or not, no one is asking us to spin with thousands of dollars?

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at first i also felt the same mate when i learn about those site that has this kind of strategy on how to advertise their businesses online but recently ? i come to understand that In gambling it is their (Every gamblers) discretion on how to deal with them.

So lets just be cautious and not let to be a victim of them, instead choose legit site where you can play and enjoy safely.

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