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Quote from: Betwrong on December 13, 2021, 09:41:19 AM

From an ethical standpoint it's not wrong as long as they are not saying something like "You are guaranteed to win big money(or any money) on this slot!". But if they are just showing lucky moments, you have to be a fool to think that there are no others.

You cannot use the word guaranteed to win, once you said that while advertising a casino, you lose your reputation and you're just fooling around, the TOS of all casinos clearly stated that there's no guaranty in gambling and you should only play what you can afford to lose, they can shill coin as long as at the end of the advertisement they will issue a warning on the reality of gambling.

In the vast majority of videos about big wins on slots there are no warnings, and that's what OP is trying to say. Should there be warnings similar to anti-tobacco health warnings in some countries where they are mandatory when tobacco products displayed in films or TV programs? Maybe. But different countries have different laws, and it will take forever before it will be implemented everywhere. The good news is that most people don't need any warnings, they know that big wins are rare, and if it happened to someone on YouTube, it doesn't mean it will necessarily happen to you.

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Quote from: DarkDays on December 15, 2021, 12:40:30 PM

Quote from: mindrust on March 30, 2021, 12:32:52 PM

Why do you care? Are they forcing you to wager your money? Did they put a gun on your head? No. Whoever is falling for that scam and wagers more that he could afford to lose deserves to lose that money.

People will try anything, no matter how ridiculous it may seem. There are always a few people who fall for these scams.

In the end, the only way to truly prevent these from happening is not by censoring, because in the end this is a democratic, open world but by raising awareness so that people can educate themselves, even if they're new comers or simply want to get involved etc

So, as long as nobody is forcing anyone it is a free, open and democratic choice that each of us has. We each can decide to either support this or not...

It wont be done if there would be no people would fall out with these obvious and cheap tricks and this isnt something new but since people do have their own will on making out outright decisions then its their fault if they do let their greed and dumbness controls them.

It wont really be that rampant if there would be no people who would really fall for these deceptive kind of act but as a person who does have common
sense then you would able to find it out.

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Quote from: mindrust on March 30, 2021, 12:32:52 PM

Why do you care? Are they forcing you to wager your money? Did they put a gun on your head? No. Whoever is falling for that scam and wagers more that he could afford to lose deserves to lose that money.

People will try anything, no matter how ridiculous it may seem. There are always a few people who fall for these scams.

In the end, the only way to truly prevent these from happening is not by censoring, because in the end this is a democratic, open world but by raising awareness so that people can educate themselves, even if they're new comers or simply want to get involved etc

So, as long as nobody is forcing anyone it is a free, open and democratic choice that each of us has. We each can decide to either support this or not...

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Quote from: mindrust on December 15, 2021, 03:31:23 AM

Lot's of people find gambling itself immoral but people gamble anyway.

If you think showing fake high stake players is unethical, then most people that gamble are also being tricked because most of them think gambling as a job. The players should lose in the long run because that's the only way for the casino/house to keep doing their business.

The important point is that basically everyone's thinking is different depending on the perspective they experience.

like you said that if you say a lot of people think gambling is something despicable so it's not a good thing to do.
but for others gambling is a blessing because they can make unexpected profits by selling their luck.
actually this depends on each person who judges. something that is good in our eyes is not necessarily good in the eyes of others

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Quote from: mindrust on March 30, 2021, 12:32:52 PM

Why do you care? Are they forcing you to wager your money? Did they put a gun on your head? No. Whoever is falling for that scam and wagers more that he could afford to lose deserves to lose that money.

I bet most of the high rollers you see in the casino scoreboards are fakes. (maybe all of them)

Lol, you mean gambling with Russian roulette?

I'm not in favor of it but if people are going to do that then they'll put all their life's earnings on the table when on 1v1 with another, the winner gets to live and take the money of the other.

In any case, it's immoral and should be prohibited.

Lot's of people find gambling itself immoral but people gamble anyway.

If you think showing fake high stake players is unethical, then most people that gamble are also being tricked because most of them think gambling as a job. The players should lose in the long run because that's the only way for the casino/house to keep doing their business.

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Quote from: kingangel on December 15, 2021, 03:03:33 AM

Casino is a lucrative business and people just like money that could be earned instantly with just a click. Even without the streamer influencers casino will always attract players. You can see the same names coming up over and over in "ALL BETS". But its all marketing still.

The one strategy that's very much disliked is the kid's logo or cute fluffy mascot which could attract kids to gambling.

You have a very good point here. Influencers being bluntly paid actors that advertises casinos and encouraging gambling at its finest is one thing, but using elements that could impact the minors and innocents is another level. But then how can we do something that would restrict companies and influencers from using such, because we all know that for as long as its effective and they are gains on it, they will continue to do so. Maybe we could try calling out those influencers and casinos, collectively, to get their attention and also bring public’s eyes onto them and their actions.

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Casino is a lucrative business and people just like money that could be earned instantly with just a click. Even without the streamer influencers casino will always attract players. You can see the same names coming up over and over in "ALL BETS". But its all marketing still.

The one strategy that's very much disliked is the kid's logo or cute fluffy mascot which could attract kids to gambling.

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Quote from: FatFork on December 10, 2021, 04:47:40 PM

So it's almost a real-time war between big casino brands. Most are trying to capture that new gambler market, and try to be the one who will produce the most money for casinos. I'm not a big fan of fake youtube streamers and I don't follow them, but I'm guessing many new players do. In fact, I think a significant part of the interaction between newbies and casino games is via these youtube streamers. I feel this marketing strategy is making it's way into gaming promotions, and we will continue to see casino brands try to attract newbies in this way.

It is mostly the newbies in gambling that falls for the trap of listening to fake youtube influencers who are just after the money they will get in promoting gambling site, even with the game mindset. I think it is very important for newbies to look at what they want and where they can get good direction to what they want.

Well now that this strategy had already exposed ? yes Only newbies and Greed people comes to listen and believe in such way.
they don't even try to go deeper or check the videos if legit or faked.
but with us all sharing our ideas and experiences ? more crypto players now are aware of fake reviews and fake videos that they are being prevented in playing or dealing in those sites.
but not because there are fake videos meaning the sites are fake or scam because most of the legit site has this kind of advertising .

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on December 14, 2021, 10:20:03 PM

Quote from: fiulpro on December 13, 2021, 12:31:29 PM

Everyone knows that the people are paid actors and at the same time wagering does not give you a 100% profit and therefore even if you do find these advertising copious even then you can't do anything about it since it's your decision that counts. Even if you are winning in streaks, you can choose to stop and encash in some games. I did find that hard to do but you might end up with profits and you can continue playing with the initial investment as well. Sites that are operating online, the online gambling casinos generally has a whole section where you can check their games if they are fair or not which does help some players to trust them as well. As for me I go for trusted casinos and I don't let me get into the whole web where you loose continuously hoping to win. It's all about you !

Here you touch on a very important point, I have noticed by following some YouTubers who do what you say, and the worst thing is that they give investment advice in a project that soon becomes scam, then they compromise their reputation which is very difficult to get for money because they offer you some who are in charge of projects of this style, this is sad because they can make you lose money and at the same time you lose a possible influencer.

In these cases, it is very common to see them on YouTube and on twitch and what they achieve is that they lose all kinds of trust.

Negative side for influencers who engage in a company that also deceives them. They both ruin thier reputation for deceiving people to invest in them, the influencer doesn't deserve to be an influencer for not investigating much of the project or casino they tried promoting, and maybe the influencer only cares for the fees he gets from the sponsors he has.

We have seen lots of immoral marketing in crypto but if these companies find it effective in making money, they will continue to do it. Since they can always recreate sham casinos over and over.

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Quote from: CDC AP on December 13, 2021, 11:50:40 AM

Each gambling sites has their own strategy no matter how bad or good it is as long as they attract more players. Fake advertisements are everywhere because honestly, they wouldn't create ads that will discourage their players. Lots of streamers are also taking advantage of this opportunity and what we just need to do is just to be skeptical and be wise in choosing a good site and game.

Well its quite common now, not all you see is true. Thats why if you gamble dont have high expectation that you'll also win big just like what you see in their advertisement. Use your common sense because its gambling and losing your money is always present and often inevitable. Thus ask yourself many times if you can bear losing your money before playing since you cant turn back time once you lose it.

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Quote from: fiulpro on December 13, 2021, 12:31:29 PM

Everyone knows that the people are paid actors and at the same time wagering does not give you a 100% profit and therefore even if you do find these advertising copious even then you can't do anything about it since it's your decision that counts. Even if you are winning in streaks, you can choose to stop and encash in some games. I did find that hard to do but you might end up with profits and you can continue playing with the initial investment as well. Sites that are operating online, the online gambling casinos generally has a whole section where you can check their games if they are fair or not which does help some players to trust them as well. As for me I go for trusted casinos and I don't let me get into the whole web where you loose continuously hoping to win. It's all about you !

Here you touch on a very important point, I have noticed by following some YouTubers who do what you say, and the worst thing is that they give investment advice in a project that soon becomes scam, then they compromise their reputation which is very difficult to get for money because they offer you some who are in charge of projects of this style, this is sad because they can make you lose money and at the same time you lose a possible influencer.

In these cases, it is very common to see them on YouTube and on twitch and what they achieve is that they lose all kinds of trust.

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Everyone knows that the people are paid actors and at the same time wagering does not give you a 100% profit and therefore even if you do find these advertising copious even then you can't do anything about it since it's your decision that counts. Even if you are winning in streaks, you can choose to stop and encash in some games. I did find that hard to do but you might end up with profits and you can continue playing with the initial investment as well. Sites that are operating online, the online gambling casinos generally has a whole section where you can check their games if they are fair or not which does help some players to trust them as well. As for me I go for trusted casinos and I don't let me get into the whole web where you loose continuously hoping to win. It's all about you !

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turn around you , check all the sites that operates online and you will find that more than half of them are having this kind of strategy in their own ways , they might not looks like immoral but if you dig deeper then you'll find their Immorality .

This is common now mate , just be careful in your playing and in your choosing of site, if you are not comfortable then move on to other site, easy as that.

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Each gambling sites has their own strategy no matter how bad or good it is as long as they attract more players. Fake advertisements are everywhere because honestly, they wouldn't create ads that will discourage their players. Lots of streamers are also taking advantage of this opportunity and what we just need to do is just to be skeptical and be wise in choosing a good site and game.

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I didn't know that there is something like that happening in gambling(I mean streaming gambling).
We don't really know if it is scripted or what but they are also playing just like us and it is a gamble or game of chance so they might just hit it at some point.
Just remember that even if they could win huge profit in gambling not everyone could do it,
Just because it seems easy when they do it doesn't mean that it is really easy to do.

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Quote from: Betwrong on December 13, 2021, 09:41:19 AM

From an ethical standpoint it's not wrong as long as they are not saying something like "You are guaranteed to win big money(or any money) on this slot!". But if they are just showing lucky moments, you have to be a fool to think that there are no others.

You cannot use the word guaranteed to win, once you said that while advertising a casino, you lose your reputation and you're just fooling around, the TOS of all casinos clearly stated that there's no guaranty in gambling and you should only play what you can afford to lose, they can shill coin as long as at the end of the advertisement they will issue a warning on the reality of gambling.

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Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 09, 2021, 02:22:02 PM

Quote from: uneng on December 09, 2021, 01:10:43 PM

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There is no problem with content creators trying to make some money through views or partneships with casinos, but it should be a must to let it very clear to the audience, so everyone knows what is going on and what are the real intentions of the respective video in exhibition. When nobody feels like being lured or tricked, the marketing campaign works much more efficiently on long run.

If it wasnt working on the first place then we wont really be seeing it to be used in todays era or situation which we are seeing the opposite.When it comes to marketing then these would be the primary mediums on where companies would allocate some budget on because we are on a digital era
which its sensible for them to have on this method.
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Whether an advertisement is working or not is hard to say, especially when you advertise in many places simultaneously. Big companies, slot providers in this case, normally spend as much as they can and more on advertisement, not because they want to expand, and make even more money, but because they want to stay afloat. "If you don't grow, you die", this kind of thing. So they pay big money to popular internet people to stream playing on their slots.

Quote from: stomachgrowls on December 09, 2021, 02:22:02 PM

It isnt just that ethical if they would really be making those decieving kind of advertisement because they would know that it will really backfire on them.

As for advertisers or influencers had made out their own personal choice on altering something then thats a personal problem of course.

I've seen a lot of such streams, and I don't think they are altering anything there. What they are doing is showing "the most interesting moments", and of course it's about big wins. No one wants to see someone losing constantly. It's boring.

From an ethical standpoint it's not wrong as long as they are not saying something like "You are guaranteed to win big money(or any money) on this slot!". But if they are just showing lucky moments, you have to be a fool to think that there are no others.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on December 11, 2021, 10:14:31 AM

I agree, a lot of these so-called influencers do this kind of fake marketing and it should be punished by law, in my opinion. It would seem to me that these kind of people have learned a trick or two from the "day-trading" influencers who "teach" people how to do technical analysis and how to make daily profits by selling them a course they have to pay a fee for.

We really need laws so people won't do this crap.

I strongly believe that "day-trading" influencers has a very good relevance about these paid streamers on casino. The two are different matters.
I also initially know that these streamers are paid by the casino to advertise the casino (of course) however they do not force people to play, in the end it's ourselves to decide whether we play or not to play to that casino that is being advertised.

streamers are not only paid by casinos to advertise their platforms but also exchanges and crypto projects.all these influencers make a lots of money by advertising and promoting casinos to people that watch their video. It is only newbies and people who do not how it works, that will fall for such cheap approach. I don't allow things like this move me. Always alert!

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on December 11, 2021, 10:14:31 AM

I agree, a lot of these so-called influencers do this kind of fake marketing and it should be punished by law, in my opinion. It would seem to me that these kind of people have learned a trick or two from the "day-trading" influencers who "teach" people how to do technical analysis and how to make daily profits by selling them a course they have to pay a fee for.

We really need laws so people won't do this crap.

it is not new , since the world of Internet covered the whole advertising community things like this pop up and now dominates the whole system,they are fooling people from fake and not so true advertising just to lure them believing what is a Lie than reality.
but this does not mean that the site they are promoting is totally scam or not legit because we have known the involved site for long and they are truthful to the players and there are no big issues arise against them for thos years.

The issue isn't in them promoting a certain site or certain activities. The issue is that they lie about the methods of making money because it makes their promotion look better. Some even rent lambos or make fake luxury posts on social media sites. The idea is to make their viewers think that their fake methods work and it made them rich. This is never true and is always a lie. Thats the problem.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on December 11, 2021, 10:14:31 AM

I agree, a lot of these so-called influencers do this kind of fake marketing and it should be punished by law, in my opinion. It would seem to me that these kind of people have learned a trick or two from the "day-trading" influencers who "teach" people how to do technical analysis and how to make daily profits by selling them a course they have to pay a fee for.

We really need laws so people won't do this crap.

it is not new , since the world of Internet covered the whole advertising community things like this pop up and now dominates the whole system,they are fooling people from fake and not so true advertising just to lure them believing what is a Lie than reality.
but this does not mean that the site they are promoting is totally scam or not legit because we have known the involved site for long and they are truthful to the players and there are no big issues arise against them for thos years.

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