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Quote from: kryptqnick on March 31, 2021, 10:37:44 AM

Op, I've heard of this issue of sponsorship which is not declared properly and fake reactions from the streamers before, and while it might be an immoral strategy, it's just that. It can stop when it stops working, I mean when people are not attracted to a casino this way anymore because they perceive it as a misleading practice and avoid the casino. And, to be honest, I don't know how abundant this practice currently is and how many people actually fall for this. If enough people are not interested in this and are not happy with this marketing strategy, it will go away.

Simply people arent really just dumb or arrogant for them not to sense or know something when they do test out on their first trial.If there's something deceptive kind of way

specially dealing with non-fairness of the site then that would really be ending up a bad thing for such casino. Advertisers or influencers would normally be accepting these kind of offers

and this isnt an immoral marketing strategy but rather a normal one it is just there are some who cant just accept that they had lost after following some streamers.

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Op, I've heard of this issue of sponsorship which is not declared properly and fake reactions from the streamers before, and while it might be an immoral strategy, it's just that. It can stop when it stops working, I mean when people are not attracted to a casino this way anymore because they perceive it as a misleading practice and avoid the casino. And, to be honest, I don't know how abundant this practice currently is and how many people actually fall for this. If enough people are not interested in this and are not happy with this marketing strategy, it will go away.

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I don't think those fake videos are any different than the fake advertisements you see on TV or the internet when casinos and bet shops are being advertised. The image they are trying to convey is one of success, wealth, and class. Businessmen in suits drinking martinis and champagne as they are surrounded with beautiful women who cheer with them in their victories. When I enter a betting shop in my region, all I see are dark rooms filled with cigarette smoke, middle aged men cursing and swearing because they were so close to a win.

All commercials and advertisements are fake, and the casino industry is no different from the rest.

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^I think there will be class actions if we see more and more real users (not the losing casinos) complaining about this, and the platform will be forced to comply. At least they will restrict the video to 18+ and force streamers to state disclaimers about the reality of this "fake money." Their new woke policies regarding racism and hate speech already in-effect. Why not adding more absurd rules to the T&C? Twitch and Youtube are in bed together anyway.

But where is the class action?

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Quote from: mu_enrico on March 31, 2021, 08:45:02 AM

How to market gambling besides the winning scene? They can't because that's what they are selling, the hope of getting rich.
Nothing honest in marketing, and even burgers are different. What you see isn't what you get.

If the viewers at least 18 years old, they should know this real-world situation and somewhat skeptical about the advertisement. Their naivety is their own fault. However, I agree if this streaming industry is not healthy. Therefore, streaming platforms will take action sooner or later to clean up the mess.

highly unlikely , I remember the grand purge on Twitch of 2018 when many if not all of the old casino streamers were banned
and what did Twitch gain from it?
the streamers and their audience went to youtube
streaming platforms are not the pursuers of the morals , they are making money while pushing the global agendas at the same time
banning gambling from the streaming platforms completely is nearly impossible , there will always be people who want to gamble their money away or to watch others do it

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How to market gambling besides the winning scene? They can't because that's what they are selling, the hope of getting rich.
Nothing honest in marketing, and even burgers are different. What you see isn't what you get.

If the viewers at least 18 years old, they should know this real-world situation and somewhat skeptical about the advertisement. Their naivety is their own fault. However, I agree if this streaming industry is not healthy. Therefore, streaming platforms will take action sooner or later to clean up the mess.

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Quote from: veleten on March 31, 2021, 06:41:13 AM

I will tell you a secret , 90% of the streamers are on a contract and are playing with the fake money
trust me I know what am I talking about
name any top streamer or a group of streamers , all of them are getting balance to stream , a very generous revenue share and whatever they "lose" or "win"
is NOT their own money , they do not risk a penny
I thought it was obvious , come on - a "top streamer" winning 300.000 euros every other week ( funny , is not it) and buying bonuses for 10-50k a pop
lives in the same rented apartment and is showing the same level of emotions
some are better at it , some are faking it even faker than their play money is

them , unlike true addicts and gamblers are making money through the affiliate and decent money too

That would be true. Paid promoters did not actually deposited their own money to gamble instead they will gamble what the platform gave to them and the streamer will get rewarded as what they do are what will attract more gamblers to try their site out and eventually lose most of them.

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Quote from: delfastTions on March 31, 2021, 07:18:39 AM

Quote from: Karartma1 on March 30, 2021, 01:44:22 PM

If people can't recognize that this filthy means are being used as a hook to fool noobs into losing their money I don't think there can be to be done.
Remember the saying a fool and his money are soon parted. I believe it can be considered like a market force that allows dumb people to lose their money in favor of those who are smarter. It may sounds harsh but that's the reality.

I can agree with this.
And the truth is if a person is stupid enough not to understand that he is being deceived by streamers or other advertisers, then let him pay for his stupidity. Maybe he'll be smarter Grin

In general, when you see any advertisements on TV or on the Internet, you automatically begin to doubt that everything is so good with this, washing with a powder "or" toothpaste. In general, a normal adult simply from life experience understands when he is being deceived

But sometimes he cannot assess how such information corresponds to reality, how true it is?

Marketing is marketing... and they are using everything they can to draw attention! It's the purpose of marketing in the end! When it comes to this matter I always like to quote famous sentence:

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"I don't care what the newspapers say about me as long as they spell my name right."

In the end, let's not forget that streamers (gambling streamers) tip their followers all the time! It's not like that you follow them for nothing and you enjoy their big winnings! Something else is when you decide to deposit a lot to play slots... and you lose all that!

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Quote from: Karartma1 on March 30, 2021, 01:44:22 PM

If people can't recognize that this filthy means are being used as a hook to fool noobs into losing their money I don't think there can be to be done.
Remember the saying a fool and his money are soon parted. I believe it can be considered like a market force that allows dumb people to lose their money in favor of those who are smarter. It may sounds harsh but that's the reality.

I can agree with this.
And the truth is if a person is stupid enough not to understand that he is being deceived by streamers or other advertisers, then let him pay for his stupidity. Maybe he'll be smarter Grin

In general, when you see any advertisements on TV or on the Internet, you automatically begin to doubt that everything is so good with this, washing with a powder "or" toothpaste. In general, a normal adult simply from life experience understands when he is being deceived

But sometimes he cannot assess how such information corresponds to reality, how true it is?

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Quote from: thsceptic on March 30, 2021, 12:21:54 PM

Some of you guys must have watched high stake slot players in their pajamas rolling thousands of dollars in single spin, buying hundred of thousands worth of bonus spins. If you notice closely yo will found the same pattern all over again and again. They start with loosing most of their bank roll (almost 80-90%), and then going all in at last and guess what, bingo!!! they hit hundreds of thousands of dollars. Very few of them write in their stream discerption about rolling with fake money (or money of which they can only cash out like 1%). Almost all of them scream loudly and show us that they are winning it in real, some are very good at faking it, which attracts lots of new gamblers (with false expectations) and they end up loosing it all which ultimately leads to social disharmony.
The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

I will tell you a secret , 90% of the streamers are on a contract and are playing with the fake money
trust me I know what am I talking about
name any top streamer or a group of streamers , all of them are getting balance to stream , a very generous revenue share and whatever they "lose" or "win"
is NOT their own money , they do not risk a penny
I thought it was obvious , come on - a "top streamer" winning 300.000 euros every other week ( funny , is not it) and buying bonuses for 10-50k a pop
lives in the same rented apartment and is showing the same level of emotions
some are better at it , some are faking it even faker than their play money is

them , unlike true addicts and gamblers are making money through the affiliate and decent money too

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No matter what the casino or their hire person, it is our responsibility to be careful if we want to play gambling because that is our money. We do not want to lose much money. We need to remember that playing gambling is risky, and we can lose money anytime and only with be careful we can avoid the big loss in gambling. We can warn the newcomers, but we do not know how much money they will use in gambling, and I do not think that they will go to other people about that.

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This kind of strategy has been used not just in gambling but to other platforms too. Using such strategy is to promote their own gambling sites or whatever it is as long as their plan is to gather more people to try it. It is up to the person if he/she will gamble or not unless he/she is forced to gamble also no one is forced to gamble your money.

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First, it a marketing procedure it shouldn't be count or see as something immoral.
Second, all these claims about the streamers should be counted as controversial because they are only backed with words and no evidence. Besides, it may be the doing of another gambling site that considers the site subject a problem to their business due to the huge traffic the site is experiencing.
Gosh, I can't believe people take this so seriously.

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This kind of marketing strategy not only happens on gambling sites but for other services as well such as products, goods, offered skills, etc.

It's not new and I know viewers already know what they are doing. Gambling needs deposit so viewers won't just risk their money easily just because they saw popular streamers doing that way.

If somebody got tricked, then the marketing is working but we shouldn't blame them for doing that kind of promotion.

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Quote from: Twinkledoe on March 30, 2021, 05:17:52 PM

Quote from: tabas on March 30, 2021, 05:13:55 PM

I have watched some streamers that are really wild in their streams but they've been doing that for a long time and they're known for having that type of personality.
The entertainment value is the reason why people are watching them because it's fun and it's just a plus if the viewers will actually go gamble as what they've watched from those entertainers.

As others have said, it is really up to the viewer if he will be attracted to this kind of marketing strategy. That's their job to get many players as they can by this stunt. And by the way, this should be in the gambling discussion board. If the OP can move to this section - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=228.0

Yes, just like the tv commercials that we used to watch and we're just passing it whenever we're watching our favorite shows. And just as these streamers or call them entertainers, we enjoy watching them and that marketing strategy is also their side deals to earn more but it's still our decision if we're going those promos.

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They are not forcing you to gamble anyway so there’s no immoral on that and that’s a legal way to market their casinos services so I don’t see any problem here at all aside from the different perspective of the gambler. If those marketing strategy is not good for you, then better to leave and go gamble anywhere.

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Quote from: tabas on March 30, 2021, 05:13:55 PM

I have watched some streamers that are really wild in their streams but they've been doing that for a long time and they're known for having that type of personality.
The entertainment value is the reason why people are watching them because it's fun and it's just a plus if the viewers will actually go gamble as what they've watched from those entertainers.

As others have said, it is really up to the viewer if he will be attracted to this kind of marketing strategy. That's their job to get many players as they can by this stunt. And by the way, this should be in the gambling discussion board. If the OP can move to this section - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=228.0

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I have watched some streamers that are really wild in their streams but they've been doing that for a long time and they're known for having that type of personality.
The entertainment value is the reason why people are watching them because it's fun and it's just a plus if the viewers will actually go gamble as what they've watched from those entertainers.

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I understand your point but as a viewer, you should realize that it's a part of marketing.

It's become immoral to you because you don't like the idea but in the end, it's up to us if we will buy those that we watched or not.

Do you really think other people will just follow those streamers that easily?

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Quote from: thsceptic on March 30, 2021, 12:21:54 PM

The argument they provide is as follow, ''we are entertainers/performers''. This need to be stopped. I am creating this thread to discuss such issues and to warn other new comers about the potential loss. If you have found such streamers please post here so that it can be helpful for new players to make realistic decisions.

This is some upright and bold argument. Yet, have you even wondered why gambling alone is already a risk of losing your money and not just a "potential" loss? Every gambler and even new comers are warned that gambling itself is risky, regardless of how people would promote certain gambling websites and how they "fake" their actions and reviews for a platform. Also, the only immoral marketing strategy in here is faking the number of bets, in which can easily be found by a lot of gamblers in here once they've bumped right onto one.

I know some of my friends that gamble huge money and it is really common that the longer you spend betting and the more you bet the higher the chance to win huge and might return your initial capital back. It is common to all, yet how can it be wrong to streaming players?

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