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Topic: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion - page 32572. (Read 26609082 times)

legendary
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he who has the gold makes the rules
Falkvinge wants bitcoin to become what he thinks bitcoin was made for.

The most importan claim he makes is that more than 90 percent of the bitcoin-prize is made of speculation. Even if he's wrong and it are 80 or 70 or 60 percent - this is more unnatural and insustaineble than fiat has been in its worst days.


I also think bitcoin is overvalued, but the guy seems a bit delusional. Probably sold at $65. Lol.

take your homework. If Falkvinge sold at 65 he made big wins. He's not a greedy guy but an ideologist. And what we are seeing at this time is a rising price while bitcoin stagnates resp. while those who are trying to make bitcoin work like its designed to work face some regulatory and technical problems which won't be surpassed soon.

Look at the amount of articles in the Press section of this website.  There are REAL articles from known media websites and mags, this was NOT the case 6 months ago.  6 months ago Forbes was calling bitcoin a joke.

Now we are getting headlines like this:
The Federal Government's Reaction To Bitcoin Is An Acknowledgement Of The Dollar's Vulnerability -15000+ pageview
www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2013/08/25/the-federal-governments-reaction-to-bitcoin-is-an-acknowledgement-of-the-dollars-vulnerability/

Follow The Bitcoins: How We Got Busted Buying Drugs On Silk Road's Black Market -50000 pageviews
www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/09/05/follow-the-bitcoins-how-we-got-busted-buying-drugs-on-silk-roads-black-market/

Guess what every college student that wants to score some stuff will know exactly how to use SR by spring 2014... I already see it at the uni I am in... last year few used it... now I may have heard rumours Wink of a handful of guys who take orders for others and themselves...

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Falkvinge wants bitcoin to become what he thinks bitcoin was made for.

The most importan claim he makes is that more than 90 percent of the bitcoin-prize is made of speculation. Even if he's wrong and it are 80 or 70 or 60 percent - this is more unnatural and insustaineble than fiat has been in its worst days.


I also think bitcoin is overvalued, but the guy seems a bit delusional. Probably sold at $65. Lol.

take your homework. If Falkvinge sold at 65 he made big wins. He's not a greedy guy but an ideologist. And what we are seeing at this time is a rising price while bitcoin stagnates resp. while those who are trying to make bitcoin work like its designed to work face some regulatory and technical problems which won't be surpassed soon.
full member
Activity: 364
Merit: 100
Falkvinge wants bitcoin to become what he thinks bitcoin was made for.

The most importan claim he makes is that more than 90 percent of the bitcoin-prize is made of speculation. Even if he's wrong and it are 80 or 70 or 60 percent - this is more unnatural and insustaineble than fiat has been in its worst days.


Actually, it is in line with FOREX volume compared to M1.

to translate: you say "real money" has the same relations? Thanks, that's a good point.
legendary
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Falkvinge wants bitcoin to become what he thinks bitcoin was made for.

The most importan claim he makes is that more than 90 percent of the bitcoin-prize is made of speculation. Even if he's wrong and it are 80 or 70 or 60 percent - this is more unnatural and insustaineble than fiat has been in its worst days.


I also think bitcoin is overvalued, but the guy seems a bit delusional. Probably sold at $65. Lol.
legendary
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Antifragile
Falkvinge wants bitcoin to become what he thinks bitcoin was made for.

The most importan claim he makes is that more than 90 percent of the bitcoin-prize is made of speculation. Even if he's wrong and it are 80 or 70 or 60 percent - this is more unnatural and insustaineble than fiat has been in its worst days.


But BTC can be used as a store of value. To look at BTC as just a currency, is cutting it way short.
It is a:
currency
asset
protocol
payment system
store of value
etc.

I don't think we can evaluate that with traditional means. (Not saying it isn't over or under valued though.)
legendary
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he who has the gold makes the rules
full member
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Falkvinge wants bitcoin to become what he thinks bitcoin was made for.

The most importan claim he makes is that more than 90 percent of the bitcoin-prize is made of speculation. Even if he's wrong and it are 80 or 70 or 60 percent - this is more unnatural and insustaineble than fiat has been in its worst days.
hero member
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Jesus was a (Goddamn) hippy socialist
Hello Guys

it's being a while since I posted anything

look what I found yesterday
the price of gold since 1953 looks very familiar...
http://tinyurl.com/pz7yo94

if someone else has posted , I apologize

legendary
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Antifragile
Interesting how a bubble/crash can be revealed later as a temporary period of exuberance and fear within a larger uptrend.
Crude Oil monthly chart reminds me of something else...



Wow, I really thought that was the BTC chart. Amazing. And what happened to crude at the end? (Is that up to date?)
legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP

Jokes aside, the true believers now are a different flock than they were 2 years ago...
legendary
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Marketing manager - GO MP
I have not heard of Gox having problems processing non-USD withdrawals, then why is Gox (much) higher in
those currencies as well?


They also failed to process any of my EUR and CHF withdrawals.

Shh, you're supposed to pretend, like this guy:

    Gox has not processed ANY SWIFT Transfers (i.e. GBP, USD, AUD, etc) in months with the exception of a few larger "manually processed" wires at 5% fee.     

I have got GBP and EUR transfers processed Tongue

So much fud everywhere..

Who are you?
legendary
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100 satoshis -> ISO code
Interesting how a bubble/crash can be revealed later as a temporary period of exuberance and fear within a larger uptrend.
Crude Oil monthly chart reminds me of something else...

legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
His estimation of 4$/bitcoin is based on the assumption, that there are 11mil bitcoins in circulation.
I think that we can assume that less than 10% bitcoins are used in day-to-day use. [40$ per bitcoin]

When I ran numbers on what I thought the cost per bitcoin should be to buy it came to $40 per bitcoin in June.  But the problem I have found is that real world is not anything like the bitcoin world.  Look at the security pages and why bitcoin stocks are trading 10x of what they should be.


What did you use to figure out what the value of a Dollar "should" be?
legendary
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Re: the overvaluation contention, it means Falvinge doesn't understand investing very well. The whole point of investing is, in a sense, to figure out how much potential hard-to-ascertain value things have and boost the price accordingly. The rising price alerts others to what they weren't savvy enough to figure out themselves, then they herd in, of course always to excess, but leave the price in the end higher than it was. Investors do the hard work so others don't have to, smoothing out the volatility as well.

In other words, the price of Bitcoin is where it is in large part because people judge it to have a strong chance of being much more useful in the future. It seems like an amateur error by Falvinge to imagine that the BTC price should exactly match Bitcoin's present utility, rather than its present + potential future utility. By that logic, all venture capitalists are idiots.

Re: the price fixing accusation, it means Falvinge doesn't understand that only a government can fix prices for any significant length of time. If people are misled by painting the tape, they will lose money and wise up. "Fool me twice, shame on me." It's only a short-term effect.
legendary
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Gresham's Lawyer
A new US-based exchange (CoinMKT.com) opened last night with Dwolla as a deposit option.  It will be interesting to see if this has any affect going forward.

US-based, professional looking site, multiple currencies, founders show their face publicly (https://coinmkt.com/#/about_us) and are not dodging AML&KYC compliance.

Interesting. Definitely keep an eye on this exchange.

Model turned MSB?

http://www.travisskweres.com/#/modeling

That is strange. He is a model?Huh

The startup life has definitely put a few lbs on my mid section, but crypto is of course my only focus these days

I think they were saying "Congratulations on the launch", but something was lost in the translation. Smiley
(Translations from Trader to English is like Orcish to Elven, the inflections are tricky.)
legendary
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   Gox has not processed ANY SWIFT Transfers (i.e. GBP, USD, AUD, etc) in months with the exception of a few larger "manually processed" wires at 5% fee.    

I have got GBP and EUR transfers processed Tongue

So much fud everywhere..
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