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Quote from: cabron on July 23, 2024, 03:43:09 PM

Sadly, that is correct. If you are winning, you won't look desperate and wear homeless clothes which means you sure have found your career in gambling.

But if you are losing money, you are hungry and most probably because you still gamble even without money, you are desperate and likely end up homeless because you still wouldn't stop gambling despite the situation. I guess that's something the gambler needs to realize himself. Winning is good and losing is bad.

You have a valid point, but I think winning and losing can both get you addicted, nevertheless it all depends on the individual, the thing is a lot of people are likely to get addicted to gambling from winning everytime, cause if you are flipping and you are constantly winning do youthink it would be easy to tame that greedy nature, my point is winning is another way to get hooked in the lifestyle and once you trapped in that cycle you are bound to start losing soon

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Quote from: Su-asa on July 23, 2024, 03:34:49 PM

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

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If a gambler is always winning we won't say that the gambler is addicted to gamble but we will say that the gambler is an expert in predicting games.
However this days we do not call those that are winning addicted gamblers but we call those that are losing addicted gamblers.

This quote made me create this thread.

An addiction is something you dos constantly without restraint or control, a gambler that's always hooked regardless of the fact that he wins or loses is addicted, winning has its impact on the brain and one of it is greed, a rapper once said too much money is not enough money, a lot of gamblers have this mindset, they more they win , the more they want to keep on pushing their luck.. losing too has its impacts and one of it is the uncontrollable desire to chase your losses... gambling should be for fun only

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Quote from: SamReomo on July 25, 2024, 04:34:36 PM

The gamblers who win 99% of the times and are doing it 24/7 are still considered as addicts and that's the straight forward answer to this thread. When such gamblers face internet shutdowns and or power issues then they somehow react crazily by doing many odd things. They can't live without gambling even for one day and that's what is considered as an addict.

It seems to me that any addicted gambler can not win too much. he can win streaks due to luck in a few bets but after that his decline begins. Professional gamblers are able to control their bets which is not possible for addicted gamblers. But if a gambler can't control their gambling or can't take a break from gambling then they will definitely be labeled as an addicted gambler. But the truth we find is that a person who wins a lot of bets is considered an experienced gambler and not an addict if he behaves like an addicted gambler.

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Quote from: summonerrk on July 26, 2024, 10:18:50 AM

It is quite a sporting theme that gambling should be played with a friend and that it should be your common theme.

On the one hand, you can easily control each other’s fortune, but on the other hand, there is a negative factor: for example, if you win a large amount, then most likely your friend will begin to devote more time to gambling, because he will want to be lucky as well.
But in any case, it seems to me that gambling alone is bad.

That's the bad things that people will do when they see their friends winning the games. They will curious and still playing gambling because they wants to feel the winning. They don't realizes that winning in the gambling games needs luck so if they are not lucky, they will difficult to win and will only lose their money. That is a jealousy that people experience and not thinks that will be their friend's luck that helps their friend wins.

Playing gambling is not bad if they can treating gambling well but they must see that many risks behind of gambling so they needs to know how to manage the risks. Playing gambling is a choice so they don't have to follow their friends to playing gambling instead just watch their friends playing gambling. That will prevents them to lose money from gambling while they can use their time to relax with softdrinks and foods in that place while watching their friends playing gambling.

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I don't think the addiction is about winning or losing, is about the time a user dedicates to gamble, for me both players are addicted to gambling because they spend a lot of time on gambling, and none of them will quit playing.

But the fact that one is a winner in the long term makes them a different kind of gambler, he is a pro gambler while the other one is a loser who doesn't know how to gamble or when to quit. One of them is something bad for society while the other one is a good example of a pro gambler.

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To start with, winning often is impossible. In a different concept, a skilled winner can't be said to be addicted. This applies to activities other than gambling. Board games are exempted; skill is needed. A poker player who wins big money off a couple of hands can win more games. It depends on the skills of those at the same table as him. When playing games that require skills, winning helps us to advance our knowledge. Games like slot and sports gambling don't apply to a gambler's skill.

So, a player can't win 90% of the time playing slot or similar luck-based games. If a well-skilled player continues to win over his opponents in a board game, he is not addicted. Experience is the difference between a board and a slot player, which makes one appear as not addicted over the other. Slot players through luck expect to win a game, while a skilled board player can win over an inexperienced gambler. In the context of competing with junior colleagues, a skilled player won't be tagged addicted, for winning all his competitors.

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I think addiction is misunderstood by so many people, gambling addiction happens when the particular activity has a negative impact on your life whether it is the loss of money or the way your lifestyle as so many people become aggressive and intolerant.

The only difference between these two gamblers you mentioned is the income, one succeeds to win everytime while the other one fails. Both of the gamblers might have the same compulsive behaviour, addiction is about the inability to stop despite the negative consequences on your life, winning doesn't mean the gambler isn't addicted because addiction is about the behaviour and the impact on life.

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Quote from: Agbamoni on July 23, 2024, 03:46:59 PM

I can only see one user persona you are referring to here. And you seem to be searching for the same answer the previous OP was looking for. Perhaps you can go through that thread and read the replies there.

Meanwhile, there is no difference between them in terms of addiction. Winning and losing can make a person addicted to gambling. With winning then tend to chase more wins and when losing they tend to chase wins as well.

Yes, addiction does not matter whether you are winning or losing in most of your games. As long as you can't live life without gambling at some point, then no doubt you are really a gambling addict. But kudos to some addicted gamblers who still manage their finances well and still make good winnings over losses, that proves that not all addiction are bad but once you start crossing your limits in gambling, that will never be good at all.

Yes, this is a thought that I have always believed in which logically the results of the game cannot be used as a benchmark for whether you are addicted or not, it is more about whether you are always lucky or vice versa.
Because addiction means when someone cannot spend any time not to touch gambling, and what it means is when you gamble every day even if you always win, it means you are addicted.
I will repeat that addiction is when you cannot spare any time not to gamble, and I will say something else here which also means that a gambler who is quite active but does not experience any problems or setbacks in his life caused by gambling can also be said that they are also quite addicted, but the difference is that they can manage their money and control themselves well so that they do not experience serious impacts due to their gambling habits. This means that I can confirm your idea that it is true that not all addictions are bad.

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Quote from: ethereumhunter on July 26, 2024, 03:37:47 AM

Quote from: summonerrk on July 25, 2024, 09:01:32 AM

Right.
In general, the topic of independence in gambling is very relevant. If someone does not know how to control themselves, then they are doomed in gambling. How many stories have we heard about betting when one friend was jealous of another friend’s winnings, and because of this he began to play and play. Moreover, if he had knowledge in sports, he thought that this is how he would apply it. And that was a mistake.
We must don’t envy others, we can’t think that we smarter than everyone else, we can’t succumb to advertising provocations. This is exactly what casino promoters are waiting for, because they know our psychology very well.

Sometimes I think that people actually know that if they can't control themselves, they will doomed in gambling. But that is not makes them see the reality and just still playing gambling without thinks about the risks behind that. They heard many bad stories around them but that is not makes them to be wise and trying to use gambling for have fun but for other reason, they use gambling to make money.

They don't have to jealous with their friend's winnings because that will related to their luck. If our friend wins because of their luck, we should congratulate to him but we don't have to try to chase the wins because that will be difficult for us. We really needs to be wise treating gambling so we don't have to gets a bad experiences such as losing too big money in gambling. We must remember that we can become addicted to gambling easily no matter what is the outcomes so we really needs to be careful when playing gambling.

It is quite a sporting theme that gambling should be played with a friend and that it should be your common theme.

On the one hand, you can easily control each other’s fortune, but on the other hand, there is a negative factor: for example, if you win a large amount, then most likely your friend will begin to devote more time to gambling, because he will want to be lucky as well.
But in any case, it seems to me that gambling alone is bad.

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Quote from: Sandra_hakeem on July 26, 2024, 04:12:06 AM

Quote from: Su-asa on July 23, 2024, 03:34:49 PM

Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

90% of the games you wager as a gambler within the time interval you mentioned, multiplied by as long as you'd wanna continue your habits won't guarantee a win like you said. Thus, it would have been a good choice to blur out that part.

On the other hand, and also, in accordance with the first point i made above, addiction isn't supposed to be attributed to any form of misfortune whatsoever .... You could be an addict and still bag your winnings - yunno that doesn't guarantee? Loses!
Edit: looks like you're a type that embraces too much of the good times - especially when it happens in a row that you forgot in a hurry that we have the bad days coming?

It's really hard to accept for someone to get 90% winnings from gambling, it's an impossible thing, unless it's just a few gambling kelai, it's possible, but if you have done a lot of gambling it will be very difficult to reach 90% winnings.

Addiction cannot be attributed to misfortune or pleasure alone in gambling or in any other activity other than gambling, I think people who claim that are people who do not understand addiction itself, because it is literally not like that.
Winning and losing are not included in the elements of addiction, the phrase “successively is what says that someone has an addiction” or can be simplified again, someone who does it seriously and often does it, cannot get away from it then can be claimed as an addict, in gambling I think it's the same as that, if someone can't control himself and his time in the casino then it can be said that the person is in addiction.

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Quote from: Su-asa on July 23, 2024, 03:34:49 PM

Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

90% of the games you wager as a gambler within the time interval you mentioned, multiplied by as long as you'd wanna continue your habits won't guarantee a win like you said. Thus, it would have been a good choice to blur out that part.

On the other hand, and also, in accordance with the first point i made above, addiction isn't supposed to be attributed to any form of misfortune whatsoever .... You could be an addict and still bag your winnings - yunno that doesn't guarantee? Loses!
Edit: looks like you're a type that embraces too much of the good times - especially when it happens in a row that you forgot in a hurry that we have the bad days coming?

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Quote from: summonerrk on July 25, 2024, 09:01:32 AM

Right.
In general, the topic of independence in gambling is very relevant. If someone does not know how to control themselves, then they are doomed in gambling. How many stories have we heard about betting when one friend was jealous of another friend’s winnings, and because of this he began to play and play. Moreover, if he had knowledge in sports, he thought that this is how he would apply it. And that was a mistake.
We must don’t envy others, we can’t think that we smarter than everyone else, we can’t succumb to advertising provocations. This is exactly what casino promoters are waiting for, because they know our psychology very well.

Sometimes I think that people actually know that if they can't control themselves, they will doomed in gambling. But that is not makes them see the reality and just still playing gambling without thinks about the risks behind that. They heard many bad stories around them but that is not makes them to be wise and trying to use gambling for have fun but for other reason, they use gambling to make money.

They don't have to jealous with their friend's winnings because that will related to their luck. If our friend wins because of their luck, we should congratulate to him but we don't have to try to chase the wins because that will be difficult for us. We really needs to be wise treating gambling so we don't have to gets a bad experiences such as losing too big money in gambling. We must remember that we can become addicted to gambling easily no matter what is the outcomes so we really needs to be careful when playing gambling.

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Quote from: Su-asa on July 23, 2024, 03:34:49 PM

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

It's because if you're frequently playing and winning at the same time then you are fortunate and able to build a career in your gambling activity. In life, if we're successful in what we're doing, obviously we will continue it, right?

But, if you're continuously playing even with no luck, and there's no good for doing so, yet you can't refrain yourself, that's called addiction. Because you're just increasing your losses but despite that you can't stop.

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Quote from: Su-asa on July 23, 2024, 03:34:49 PM

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

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If a gambler is always winning we won't say that the gambler is addicted to gamble but we will say that the gambler is an expert in predicting games.
However this days we do not call those that are winning addicted gamblers but we call those that are losing addicted gamblers.

This quote made me create this thread.

What you just narrated is one of the biases about gambling which continues to stereotype it. You will never hear of the good names called gambling when people are winning but you see the huge bad names imprinted on it when they are losing. This is more reason why I opened this thread a few days ago (https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.64350172).

Whether we like it or not, addiction can be positive or negative, and the term implies our success or failure regardless of whether we are addicted to it or not. As risky as gambling is, people are still winning over all and they are addicted to it at the same time. Can we always say what they are doing is bad when it's blessing them?

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Quote from: Agbamoni on July 23, 2024, 03:46:59 PM

I can only see one user persona you are referring to here. And you seem to be searching for the same answer the previous OP was looking for. Perhaps you can go through that thread and read the replies there.

Meanwhile, there is no difference between them in terms of addiction. Winning and losing can make a person addicted to gambling. With winning then tend to chase more wins and when losing they tend to chase wins as well.

Yes, addiction does not matter whether you are winning or losing in most of your games. As long as you can't live life without gambling at some point, then no doubt you are really a gambling addict. But kudos to some addicted gamblers who still manage their finances well and still make good winnings over losses, that proves that not all addiction are bad but once you start crossing your limits in gambling, that will never be good at all.

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The gamblers who win 99% of the times and are doing it 24/7 are still considered as addicts and that's the straight forward answer to this thread. When such gamblers face internet shutdowns and or power issues then they somehow react crazily by doing many odd things. They can't live without gambling even for one day and that's what is considered as an addict.

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We can be playing games at the same time but be addicted on different levels, those that were perceived for addiction in gambling are the ones that could not control or discipline on the way they are gambling, and the money we are unable to achieve any of these, we should expect to begin to see the manifestation of gambling addiction in what we do, which should also be our own responsibility for it side effect seen.

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Quote from: Su-asa on July 23, 2024, 03:34:49 PM

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If a gambler is always winning we won't say that the gambler is addicted to gamble but we will say that the gambler is an expert in predicting games.
However this days we do not call those that are winning addicted gamblers but we call those that are losing addicted gamblers.

You can't get a straight opinion about this because people will alwsys prove a point when it's their own. What I mean is that a person who is making money from gambler and can't do without gambling would deny that he is not addicted to gambling but let's not forget that addiction is addiction especially when you check it almost every day and play it ones or twice a day, this is nothing but addiction as long as you just can't do without gambling.

However, since people who tend to loss money to casino have this general characteristics of looking unkept, borrow too much funds and doesn't win much and yet never quit are the people seen as gambling addicted and that's because they don't give up despite the negative effects it has on them but whether you make money from gambling or you don't buy you can't do without it, consider such person as an addicts.

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Quote from: Aanuoluwatofunmi on July 23, 2024, 03:40:49 PM

What causes addiction is misplaced of priorities with gamblers.

We are not being addicted in gambling because of winning or not, we all know that in gambling, we most likely tend to lose than winning, moreover not all gamblers were gambling for making money, but some will be gambling and they you will obviously see that some certain things were not right about the same gambler and when you look more closer into the reason behind that, all you could figure out is gambling addiction being the major cause.

Well, I will not completely categorize gambling addiction as misplacement of priority rather its more of the behavior of the gambler and the frequency of his engagement in gambling. Some people have more ability to control their behavior towards gambling than others, just like people fall in love differently. While some people try as much as possible to control their emotions and not allow their feelings override their emotions, others can not leading them to reacting differently to heartbreaks. The same situation happens to gamblers.

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Quote from: Su-asa on July 23, 2024, 03:34:49 PM

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

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If a gambler is always winning we won't say that the gambler is addicted to gamble but we will say that the gambler is an expert in predicting games.
However this days we do not call those that are winning addicted gamblers but we call those that are losing addicted gamblers.

This quote made me create this thread.

From my perspective, both are addicted gamblers the only thing that separates them is luck, one is more lucky than the other that is why he has more wins than the other. In gambling, you cannot be lucky all the time, so the period where one gets really lucky and have a win of 90% of his total gambling for the day, we tend to describe that as his day, tomorrow might be the other guys turn to be lucky too. The only thing that might separate the both of them is if the other guy is gambling irresponsibly whereas the other gambling is addicted but still manages to make some good decisions. Though the one with the irresponsible attitude towards gambling could be on the winning side. That is why gambling is a bit complicated and the only way to explain the whole comparison is luck.

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