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Quote from: Su-asa on July 23, 2024, 03:34:49 PM

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

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If a gambler is always winning we won't say that the gambler is addicted to gamble but we will say that the gambler is an expert in predicting games.
However this days we do not call those that are winning addicted gamblers but we call those that are losing addicted gamblers.

This quote made me create this thread.

That is only the perception of people. But that is not how it usually happens because a person who will win almost 90% of all his predictions is not an expert but a lucky gambler, and that doesn't determine that he can't get addicted to gambling, but the act will even increase his chance of being addicted to gambling because seeing himself win almost every game he stakes will arouse his interest and make him feel like he is the best ever, which might make him greedy, and from there he will be addicted to gambling, and if his lucky time has finished then he will definitely lose.

Then those that find it hard to win in their game, why do you think people tag them as the gambling addicts? Because they have that interest in going after their loss, and that will make them get addicted without them knowing, so I think that is why people tag them as the gambling addict.

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Quote from: Su-asa on July 23, 2024, 03:34:49 PM

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

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If a gambler is always winning we won't say that the gambler is addicted to gamble but we will say that the gambler is an expert in predicting games.
However this days we do not call those that are winning addicted gamblers but we call those that are losing addicted gamblers.

This quote made me create this thread.

This looks like selective attack and criticism on people that are addicted to gambling because they loss too much money. You can be making all the money that you have always wanted from gambling and still be addicted to gambling because it's something you do everyday and something you can't do without and the same goes with a person that loss money but it's just that the person losing might be more affected because of the pain of not making anything.

My opinion is that whatever you do on this life, don't make sure you are too obsessed with that thing because it's every bad. It's more like you can't do or live without it you will not enjoy life, now imagine that thing is now affecting you just like you are losing money and you are trying so hard to make back the money and you are not making any progress but because of the addiction, you can't just do without it, this is a very bad thing I don't want to wish even my enemy.

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Addiction means someone who has a very high interest in an activity where he cannot spend even a moment not gambling, meaning that gambling and spending 24 hours a week can very clearly be said to be someone who is addicted regardless of whether they always win or vice versa, or the point is that winning or losing cannot be used as a benchmark to conclude whether a gambler is addicted or not, so that is another different thing.

On the other hand, to be honest, I'm really not sure that there is someone who has a 90% level of accuracy in gambling in the sense that he can always win or that his wins are much bigger than his losses. I hope you can explain who this person really is, because logically it is clear that this is an unreasonable result that occurs in the long term that ordinary gamblers succeed in doing. This is gambling which is a business owned by the casino, and I think we all know that the purpose of the business is to profit the casino, which means I will only believe it if the person is the owner of one of the casinos.

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Quote from: Su-asa on July 23, 2024, 03:34:49 PM

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

the only difference between them is the first gambler is winning and the other gambler is losing. both of them may or may not have a gambling addiction, the frequency of how much you gamble isn't the only basis to tell someone is addicted or not. anyway, the reason why people view the gambler who constantly win as an expert and the who constantly losing as addicted gambler is probably because of lack of education on the subject.

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Quote from: Hatchy on July 24, 2024, 12:47:59 PM

Won't say it's totally correct though, but that's the idea of it. Addicted gamblers who makes good wins from their gambling activities might not be seen to the public as addicted. But when a loser who tries to gamble his life to a win will be seen to the public as an addict. He may not be able to control himself as he has nothing. His addiction will only ruin his life because he will do so many things to make sure he gambles. His family will discard him, the society will also do same. But then when you make so much profit from gambling and is addicted you might just be able to fix soke of your personal issue.

Winning most times makes you appear like you are making good progress and you are not been carefree that's why you are winning so you are not addicted rather you are a responsible gambler who knows how better to gamble, and for the one who loses often, it feels like he's addicted and isn't responsible gambling because how else do you explain to the vast public that someone is loosing and is yet to give up on something he's not making profit of, he's just continuing despite he bad and poor results he's getting off it, it will be said that it's only addiction that can fuel such habit but then the honest truth is that this concept.ay not be completely true.

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Since the reason behind it is that an expert wins the game every day while those who don't are considered addicted then my opinion is still the same, when people make money then it won't be considered an addiction.

So in gambling when playing every day, let alone no other activities, he is very addicted to gambling even though he is an expert, but it will be justified because winning the game people will not consider this as a bad thing because they make money while those who do not will be considered bad.

So let us not consider something different, once again in gambling will not fully win even if it is an expert in the game they will feel defeated and may try to catch up with their defeat.

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Quote from: Hatchy on July 24, 2024, 12:47:59 PM

Quote from: cabron on July 23, 2024, 03:43:09 PM

Sadly, that is correct. If you are winning, you won't look desperate and wear homeless clothes which means you sure have found your career in gambling.

But if you are losing money, you are hungry and most probably because you still gamble even without money, you are desperate and likely end up homeless because you still wouldn't stop gambling despite the situation. I guess that's something the gambler needs to realize himself. Winning is good and losing is bad.

Won't say it's totally correct though, but that's the idea of it. Addicted gamblers who makes good wins from their gambling activities might not be seen to the public as addicted. But when a loser who tries to gamble his life to a win will be seen to the public as an addict. He may not be able to control himself as he has nothing. His addiction will only ruin his life because he will do so many things to make sure he gambles. His family will discard him, the society will also do same. But then when you make so much profit from gambling and is addicted you might just be able to fix soke of your personal issue.

The reason why we don't see those gamblers that are always playing gamble 24/7 and winning is because they are always successful in their bets. However, it's obvious that even if we see them as addicted gambler, some of us might still meet them for predictions because we know that they are good in predictions. Although, it's only in sport games that we see good predictors, mostly on basketball, long tennis and soccer.

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Quote from: cabron on July 23, 2024, 03:43:09 PM

Sadly, that is correct. If you are winning, you won't look desperate and wear homeless clothes which means you sure have found your career in gambling.

But if you are losing money, you are hungry and most probably because you still gamble even without money, you are desperate and likely end up homeless because you still wouldn't stop gambling despite the situation. I guess that's something the gambler needs to realize himself. Winning is good and losing is bad.

Won't say it's totally correct though, but that's the idea of it. Addicted gamblers who makes good wins from their gambling activities might not be seen to the public as addicted. But when a loser who tries to gamble his life to a win will be seen to the public as an addict. He may not be able to control himself as he has nothing. His addiction will only ruin his life because he will do so many things to make sure he gambles. His family will discard him, the society will also do same. But then when you make so much profit from gambling and is addicted you might just be able to fix soke of your personal issue.

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Someone who engages in gambling quite often is an addicted gambler, forgets about the regular winning he does experience. He will still be grouped as one of those addicted gamblers who can do away with gambling in a day.

OP, before we begin to differentiate and analyze the addiction to gambling, can we start by giving a small insight into what addiction is?

Let's start by, when someone finds themselves glued to something often, what word will you use to classify such a person? Addicted, right? That's how gambling is, whether you are winning consistently or not. So far you spend almost all of your time in a gambling house, you are being addressed as one who is caught by the addiction to gambling. No twisting of the word

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Quote from: BABY SHOES on July 24, 2024, 11:57:29 AM

Whether they win every day or not if they gamble every day then it's the same as addiction, you can't play gambling almost winning all of it let alone almost every day even if it's an expert I would still say because of gambling addiction because he has won winning money there.

But it's better to win even in addiction, unlike those who are already addicted but always lose often then the addiction is heavy they will continue to force even though they lose.

I agree with you on this, winning or losing is not an indicator to conclude which side an addiction is on, but we can see that how often he does it.

My understanding of addiction is when someone often does something and even thinks about doing it continuously, whether it's fun or not, whether they win or lose, and it's impossible for someone to win continuously in gambling, it's impossible in my opinion.

But indeed the intensity will be seen when you don't have money but continue to want to play gambling, even stealing or borrowing from others to pay for gambling and there can be very clear that the person is addicted, rather than people who always have money to gamble.

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What are the differences between this 2 gamblers? First of all is there any people that literally gambling like 24 hour a day. I mean this totally insane unless that person is a bot. I dont think even expert people would like to spend that amount of money.

Second of all if you really an expert and have winning rate of 90% i would consider that person is da real bot haha and if this true you can make living from.gambling

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Whether they win every day or not if they gamble every day then it's the same as addiction, you can't play gambling almost winning all of it let alone almost every day even if it's an expert I would still say because of gambling addiction because he has won winning money there.

But it's better to win even in addiction, unlike those who are already addicted but always lose often then the addiction is heavy they will continue to force even though they lose.

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Quote from: Su-asa on July 23, 2024, 03:34:49 PM

Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

we will never know the true situation of each gambler. Gamblers who lose and continue gambling every day cannot also be said to be addicted gamblers. you don't know the financial situation and how much is at stake.
The intensity of gamblers in betting may be a factor in gamblers becoming addicted. The benchmark may be changed when they lose most of their money on gambling and gamblers find it difficult to resist not betting even for just one day. This situation clearly makes the gambler an addict.

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Quote from: Su-asa on July 23, 2024, 03:34:49 PM

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If a gambler is always winning we won't say that the gambler is addicted to gamble but we will say that the gambler is an expert in predicting games.
However this days we do not call those that are winning addicted gamblers but we call those that are losing addicted gamblers.

This quote made me create this thread.

I can only repeat myself once again, we are all addicts. And we all have good & bad days, nobody wins in 90% of bets, that winning rate is possible, but maybe just a few people in the world have that kind of awesome gambling stats.

But you have a point, you described a "normal person's judgment". When someone is gambling and winning, or it's rich and gambling, people will not say a word, they will treat him like a lord, but when some poor guy is on a loser's side people will call him names and speak about his irresponsibility. The same thing is with drugs, look at so many famous people using drugs and that's ok, and people follow them and like them... but when you see a poor junky on the street that doesn't have a cent in his ripped jeans people don't even look at them.

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Quote from: Su-asa on July 23, 2024, 03:34:49 PM

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

I don't think winning or losing is going to separate gambling addicts by making one seem like a lesser good or bad deed, if the problem of gambling addiction is identified then a problem exists , period!

Btw gambling every day doesn't always mean one is addicted...if a user gambles for an hour everyday and calls it a day then I see self control and discipline, then we also have professional gamblers though I don't see this to be a healthy lifestyle of gambling everyday..don't know what others think...but primarily if selfcontrol in gambling is lost, win or lose then it becomes unhealthy!!

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I don't agree with this. A person is not a gambling addict simply because they gamble every day. A lot of people gamble every day but they're not addicts. In fact, there was a time when I gambled every day of the week but I was not addicted because I had control of what I was doing.
The difference is an addict would do anything to gamble and won't be fine unless he satisfies his cravings, but cravings cannot be satisfied, they will always be there.

Take this forum for example. I'm on this forum every day, but that doesn't make me addicted to the forum. If I stop coming to this forum I will be fine. Will I miss it? YES, I will, but will I be fine without it? Yes.
For gambling, they can't be fine if they don't gamble. They'll feel like they're missing out on a lot so they'll find a way to gamble.

So it's not in the wins and losses, but how well the person is handling it. Addicts do win gambles. It's not just losing after losing. They also win, the same way none addicts win, meaning it's a different percentage but they win.

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Quote from: Su-asa on July 23, 2024, 03:34:49 PM

This quote made me create this thread.

This quote has become a law of nature, sayings like that don't only happen in the world of gambling, in other things too.
For example:
He is not an expert racer, because he can be beaten, on the contrary he is an expert in racing, all tournaments can be won.

Great expert in gambling, these words come out when the person can win a lot of games and vice versa, it is said, that is human nature.

For me, winning and losing doesn't matter, it's just fate because he's unlucky in the gambling arena. Losing streaks are not addictions, it's more about good and bad luck.

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The difference is someone who is addicted to gambling and can't win because they are careless and can't control themselves, whereas it is different from expert gamblers, even though they are addicted, they often win their gambling and can still control themselves not to be careless in betting, usually they have their own strategy or analysis. first the game they will bet on.

However, addiction is still not good for those who are careless and they will not become experts even if they gamble often, so it is better to improve their skills first to deepen the gambling game, after that they can play it with more self-control.

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Quote from: Dickiy on July 24, 2024, 09:37:42 AM

and I'm not sure that there is a gambler who always wins every day if that person plays gambling, I have never found or seen someone like that, maybe there are some people in this part of the world who have luck in their gambling, but I hesitate to say that he is an expert in gambling. (gambling master), before looking at the luck that is shown, it is better to look back at his activities during the gambling session that was played or in terms of how much money the person has spent or gambled, so that the person can achieve good luck every day

It’s possible to achieve on sports betting since an expert on sports analysis can increase their winning percentage when placing bet. This is impossible to achieve on luck based games such as casino games that is pure luck.

The majority of gamblers surely almost impossible to achieve this since only few people is very good on sports analysis that incorporates it in betting.

Also, there’s an arbitrage method that gives some user +Expected Value, but this is risky since casino often caught them if done on same bookie provider.

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it's not like that, I don't agree with what you said, that those who win at gambling during (24/7) are considered experts but those who lose at gambling are considered addicts,
the definition of addiction is not like that, losing or winning in gambling if a gambler spends his activities or in the sense of gambling every day, it means that the person is addicted to his gambling activities,

and I'm not sure that there is a gambler who always wins every day if that person plays gambling, I have never found or seen someone like that, maybe there are some people in this part of the world who have luck in their gambling, but I hesitate to say that he is an expert in gambling. (gambling master), before looking at the luck that is shown, it is better to look back at his activities during the gambling session that was played or in terms of how much money the person has spent or gambled, so that the person can achieve good luck every day

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