Topic: What are the differences between this 2 gamblers? - page 7. (Read 983 times)

Perhaps you call the first gambler an experienced gambler, and the second an addicted one, but for me they are both addicted to gambling despite the win rate and prize money, if all their life interests are concentrated in gambling (24/7 12/5).

Losses are not yet a manifestation of gambling addiction, and large prizes are not the absence of this. Gambling addiction is when a player can't live (spend even a day) without gambling and when the passion for gambling suppresses all other interests and needs of a person.

The concept of a successful gambler has already become very blurred.  It’s just that now is a time when we see a lot of gambling influencers, and no one knows how much they earn. These guys set themselves the task of attracting as many people as possible into gambling on their streams, while these gamblers and influencers most likely plan to live on advertising money. And not at all for winnings from gambling.
And this is nonsense, because it is easier to call such people showmen rather than gamblers.

Both situation can change into gambling addiction especially if they don't have control over themselves. Even if we called him an expert gambling, he can becomes addicted to gambling so no matter if you have skills in gambling and can wins many times, it is better you control yourself and know when you must quit gambling. We never know when we change into gambling addiction so we must be careful when playing gambling.

Winning and losing in gambling can makes someone to becomes addicted to gambling. But the fact people will not call someone who wins many times as addicting to gambling. An expert in gambling know how to treat gambling and although he wins in all of his prediction, that will not makes him as addicted to gambling because he have many things that can prevents him from gambling addiction.

I believe that when we look at the results that a person has achieved we should not conclude that that person is addicted to gambling. in the same way that a person can spend hours playing every day without becoming addicted to gambling. For example, there are people who are professional bettors, they spend every day making bets, but they are not addicted to gambling.

Let’s look at these guys’ cases:

TOP SPORTS BETTORS IN THE WORLD: A GLIMPSE INTO THE BETTING POTENTIAL OF FAMOUS AND SUCCESSFUL GAMBLERS

These are people who won a lot of money in sports betting, and you don't need to be very intelligent to conclude that they spent many hours involved in gambling. and if we investigate how many people mentioned in this article are addicted to gambling, we will see that the number is very low. This is because when people have discipline, when people are aware of the danger, when people know what they are doing, they tend to play with less attachment, with less feelings and do not make gambling their only fun or their only means of take up time.

The mistake some people make is that they only focus on the game and forget about other things in the real world, and when they do that they become addicted to the game, this is the addiction phase. There is no problem for a person to play every day, as long as they always use money that they can afford to lose and as long as they can leave the game at any time, something like being able to say: "I will not play for a few days" and comply, as long as that also does other things in the real world.

There is definitely a difference, there are some gamblers who take up gambling professionally and their winnings will not be the same as the winnings of a normal gambler. Again, there is no guarantee that you will only win in gambling. Here we cannot keep ordinary gamblers and professional gamblers in the same line. Also, the purpose of gambling is to win and those who can do that work will not be wrong, to call them experienced because even if there is luck in gambling, the amount of winning will be somewhat higher in the case of those who are experienced. A gambler who can keep winning considering his knowledge and intelligence cannot be called an addict because his winnings are high because he is right in his goal. Again, the gambler who continues to engage in non-stop gambling having loss must have some faults.

As far as I can see the OP is talking about a sports bettor. In that case I wouldn't see it as a problematic case of gambling, as it's like someone who has a small business and spends many hours on it to earn more money. The problem with problematic addictive behaviours is that people repeat them despite the negative consequences, but in this case it is not the negative consequences that are important, it is the ability to continue to grow professionally as a sports bettor and earn more money.

Although the both threads might be similar but I am trying to know the difference between this 2 gamblers. However if one is is addicted and he's not winning for over a year then all of a sudden he starts winning we won't say that the gambler is still addicted because he's winning but we could only remember those days he normally loses. With what I gave seen, what makes people to know that one is addicted to gamble is his character, the way he gambles.

You cannot define a person who is addicted with his winning and losing experts define addicted to gambling as Compulsive gambling
So if those two gamblers have this characteristic, then we can consider them addicted to gambling regardless of whether they are winning or losing continuously.

It's not the result but the characteristic that defines a compulsive gambler, but it's hard for a gambler who keeps winning to get out of addiction they will defend their result to continue gambling.

If the person gambles every day and wins 90% of his sessions, then we don't call that person an addict because that person is an expert or the luckiest person. For example, there are people who play Poker all the time, one has made a fortune and won millions of dollars but another person hasn't won anything and is in loss but still continue gambling. The first one is an expert and the second one is an addict but he is an addict if playing poker financially affects him, wants to stop but can't stop.

If you play slots and win a jackpot worth millions of dollars, no one will call you an addict if you stop playing and use that reward to start a business but if you don't stop and spend back every winning in slots, then they'll call you an addict. That's how our society works and it's very normal.

Gambling, of course, depends on self-control. However, one thing we may not be able to guarantee is that when a gambler is first able to make money from gambling, his greed increases. As a result, he wants to gamble again and againI think most people get addicted to gambling because of greed.
We can provide many such proofs. I have also seen people who hated gambling from the beginning but after a few days of gambling they became addicted to gambling and tried to make money from it. But those who are professional gamblers gamble with control and responsibility.

Gambling depends on a person's control and if he can control himself then it will not become an addiction. And if the gambler cannot control himself then surely gambling has become a huge addiction. If a gambler wins 90% of the game and plays every day of the week then we say he is a gambling addict. A responsible gambler never gambles all the time, but they gamble intermittently, I would say a gambler must control himself and refrain from gambling constantly.

I understand what you mean. Addicted gamblers has always been sighted as gamblers who does not keep a gambling schedules but gambling at every given opportunities while their savings, incomes, schedules, mental health and even loved ones are being affected at the course of their irresponsible gambling life styles.

But at this your context OP, people may not have such a regular winning and a regular gambler who does not loose but always winning an addicted gambler but being realistic and calling the spade a spade, they are all addicted but since this does not affect such addicted gamblers incomes and savings definitely it is not going to affect his loved ones too, we can actually say he is addicted but not irresponsible to his daily life.

I always maintain my opinion that being addicted to gambling is allocating money and time to the point that it harms your family relationship and your mental health; gambling should be in moderation whether you are winning or losing, even if you have a good winning, you just can't be sure that you can maintain that for a long time.

There will be times when you experience a losing streak, so if you're not moderating your time and money, you will eventually lose everything because you are going to chase your losses. Gamblers who chase their losses usually are gamblers who are used to winning.

Addiction is not with the profit earned but the way it affects an individual's life in particular with daily functioning. If he's uncomfortable doing other things than gambling, then that's problematic still. You cannot be doing gambling all your life alone. Also I won't believe that a gambler would be winning consistently. Even so called "experts" has their down times and this is still the proof that gambling won't give you consistent profit. Indeed there are people making a living out of gambling industry but they have other sources of income as well to cover profit inconsistencies. Let's just think of it this way to not be urged to push our lucks too much. No matter what strategy we use in gambling, if luck won't be in favor to us then same thing goes with betting outcomes. No one really is an expert of something if there are variables such as risk no one has full control of.

This is a clear misconception about gambling. Addiction is not related to result of the gambling regardless whether you win or loss, you are addicted if you can’t control yourself to play gambling that already affects your life.

So a 90% winning chance rate gambler that play 24/7 is more close to be called addicted rather then gambler that casually place bet even if he lose most of his bet as long as he never bet out of his budget because this only show how he can control his gambling activities which is important to avoid addiction.

I think it the same, when someone carries out gambling activity with high intensity or exceeds the limits of gamblers in general then they can clearly be said to be an addict.
Moreover, even though have win ratio of up to 90%, there will definitely be certain times or conditions that will turn everything around, win ratio of 90% will turn into loss and it is not easy to get consecutive wins.
Definition of gambling addiction according to my knowledge is when someone really spends their time playing and betting, it has nothing to do with more wins or losses.

But if someone has never experienced it, maybe they will only say what they think is true, not judge and conclude something based on experience.

No we dont say that.

The person who wins so many games, is a cheater. Because without cheating, it can only be a god who can make so many correct predictions, even though people are having wet dreams about such games every other day.

By gambling you will lose, so everyone is a loser in gambling. The owners of the casino are not gambling and hence they are the only winners.

Unfortunately, this is exactly the case, and it is a very strange phenomenon. After all, we know many successful gamblers who are successful financially thanks to gambling.  But no one knows how much they sacrificed such factors as personal life or health.  
Therefore, often success can only be a way for a gambler influencer to be attractive to other gamblers.

Honestly this happens to be the general opinion out there but it doesn't make it true, you cannot say because someone is loosing, such person is an addict. if you carefully look through the meaning of addiction, then you are going to agree to the fact that you can be referred to as an addict even with your frequent winnings.

Addiction in its totality doesn't really speak of a fact that you are going to loose all that you have got all the time or you are going to see only the bad side of whatever it is your ae addicted to,  some times, people do benefit from their addiction and still are able to put their selves together. it becomes a problem when you are unable to control yourself well enough to not allow the addiction get you into terrible habits which will become a problem to you and everyone whos around you.

Maybe the gambler is a professional one and has an approach that is made for him. What apart from a normal gambler who is addicted I think is The strategic mindset that The professional has and he can decide whether or not he will go through with the bet or not.

I believe the best way to determine if he is a professional gambler or just an addicted gambler is to ask what his motivation in gambling is. If he is to make money because it is his job, you know he is a professional gambler But if you hear someone saying that he wants to get over the loss that he created way before then you know who is the addicted one.