Topic: What are the differences between this 2 gamblers? - page 9. (Read 985 times)

That gambler still addicted to gambling because he gambling everyday and even if he wins 90% of his games. Probably he is an expert but he is back to gambling and place his bet almost everyday.
That can makes him addicted to gambling easily especially if he lose his money because at that time, his minds will thinks why he lose and where is the mistake. He will not consider to accept his lose and thinks that it is normal if he lose as he wins most of the time.
We say that when a gambler lose his money from playing gambling everyday as addicted gamblers because he can not manage his time and money. That will different if he wins but actually, that situation will be the same and he can becomes addicted to gambling easily.

Yep, when someone gambles everyday and always wins, they will be called as a Pro/Expert and this will make that person gamble more often and make gambling as their main income.
However, when that person starts losing often and it will eventually happen - then he/she will be considered addicted to gambling rather than a pro/expert gambler.
So actually there is no difference, because in the end it will be the same.

Humans are biased in nature so I don't expect people to judge or see this on an equal basis.
even in other aspects of life when you are winning your considered a very fortunate person, showered with lots of titles, disregarding the other parts of the journey which is also applicable to gambling eople only see the result as determinarnts to addiction. when you when more your probably one step close to addiction but when you loss your one step away from addiction.

Mind you, people only look at results and not the ways it was gotten or the roads that led to the results so you will only be seen as an addict by people when you don't win anymore

Yes, he is still a gambling addicted, doesn't matter how impressive his winning streak is. If the person is gambling all day long, without any rest or without doing another activities we consider part of a healthy and functional routine he needs to seek for help, because it's not normal someone gambles that much, especially when being an expert gambler who is making huge profit from it.

This gambler should be enjoying the money he is making from gambling. At least, that is what we normally expect from him. It's understandable gambling is a very important part of his life, since it has been being fun and profitable, but nobody can live doing only a single entertainment activity all the time.

I don't really see any differences between the two examples you gave, from an addiction point of view. Both gamblers are addicted: winners and losers. What matters in this calculation is the time they spend gambling, and not the loss or winnings they have from gambling.

If you are doing something bad, but the result of that action brings in good news and wealth, no one will ever notice the rough road you pass to get that wealth. It's how society has shaped their way of thinking; it's normal, and the person who made that comment is not the first to think that way, nor will he be the last.


It's obvious that the quote the Op shared was gotten from the thread in which you shared the link, which I believe he thinks is worth discussing in a separate thread in order to get others opinions on what they think about gambling addition in that direction.

I will still call an expert gambler who records over 90% win an addicted gambler if he shows signs of irresponsibility in gambling. Irresponsibility in gambling does not only mean or apply to a gambler who loses, it also applies to the gambler who wins on regular basis.
If anyone is selective or reluctant in tagging any gambler an addicted gambler because of their win rate or success in gambling that person is just being biased.

It's natural to say that " A friend of Rich man is not a Rich man himself" but it's also said that "a friend of a criminal is also a criminal" why they don't say that he is not as it was said for the Rich man. Now the reason I brought up this quote is that to use it to answer your question because whatever things you doing and you became successful people would never know how hard you had tried to study to show yourself approved. Even though they said in gambling people don't become professional in gambling rather they have more better chance to win since they seems too used to the games especially in slot, roulette and dice.

I think this thread is as same as one of the thread I responded some minutes ago, but we don't need to over exaggerate these any more, because I know very well that we have discussed such kind of matter severally, so base on my understanding of this topic, it seems so many of us have not understand what we mean by addicted gambler, neither you're a frequently winner in gambling or not, provided that you can gamble more than triple times a day you're addicted gambler, that means gambling is controlling you and not you controlling gambling.

See you cannot be addicted to gambling and still have the time to carry out proper analysis on games and make correct predictions - if you come across a chronic gambling addict, you won’t need anyone to tell you that this person is addicted to gambling before you’ll know, they just go to their account and make nonsense bets without even bothering to carry out their proper analysis so it’s extremely hard to come across one that would have a win rate of up to 80% - 90%.

If someone can sit down and take their time to look at different sports before they log into their account and place a bet then that person is not addicted to gambling, those type can decide not to bet when they feel the sport or the matches won’t favour them but an addict won’t be able to make that decision.

Gambling addiction has something to do with the control of the person on their gambling urges.  So we cannot say wether the gambler is addicted or not because of their gambling session result but of their control over their gambling activities. 

In my opinion, it is wrong to say that a person is not a gambling addict because he is winning his gambling session nor because the gambler is losing but keeps on gambling.   We must know the state of the person and don't look at their gambling result.

These example articles_[1][2][3] discuss about the signs and symptoms of gambling addiction and we should be observant whether these signs and symptoms are present in the person. It is no where stated that winning or losing is the way to detect gambling addiction but the behavior of the gambler to engage in gambling activities.

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[1] https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gambling-disorder/what-is-gambling-disorder
[2] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/compulsive-gambling/symptoms-causes/syc-20355178
[3] https://www.addictions.com/gambling/10-signs-of-gambling-addiction/

Winning and losing can lead to gambling because it is not the results of gambling that makes you a gambling addict but the way you are gambling. If you can not control when you decide to gamble then you are addicted to gambling and something has to be done fast before it starts to get ugly. Every gambling addiction will start losing as their addiction becomes more intense because the more you gamble without control, you will begin to make mistakes that will cause you to start losing. A gambler that is always winning and also addicted can stake more than he will be capable of affording because he will think that he can not lose because of his winnings record. Why we notice gamblers that are losing more to be addicts is because of how they borrow money and still lose it but would not stop gambling.

Winning or losing will lead to addiction and there is nothing like expert gambler because there will be a aftermath or a consequence for being addicted. A time will come that your winning will destroy you be addiction is like a plague and it does not come with anything positive.

It is possible that you are winning but you gamble responsible without allowing yourself to be carried away with your wins. I see those who have self control over their gambling activities and gamble responsible as gambling experts and it is not by the amount that you win in a mental state.

The quote you shared is what the person feels, and everyone is subjected to their own opinion, which I can't argue with because it's their own definition of addiction. Some of them can even refer to it as a good addiction, as they have what they call bad addicts and good addicts, which I totally disagree with. 
 
As far as I know, if anyone is doing something in excess that makes you give too much attention and deprives you of many things like your self-control, then I can say that it's addiction, and there is nothing good about addiction. In my opinion, every form of addiction is bad.

The comparison between a skilled gambler and a compulsive one can be quite intriguing. Imagine an individual who engages in gambling on a daily basis and manages to win 90% of his bets, most would perceive him as an expert gambler. The mastery he exhibits, coupled with his notable success in the realm of gambling, leads us to regard him as one possessing a sense of command and insight into the games at play.

Yet in case the individual does not win and continues to gamble daily, we usually refer to him as a compulsive gambler. In general, gambling addiction is recognized by its persistence: regardless of continuous losses, it might result in serious financial and emotional problems.

Our view of gambling, depicted by the outcomes. Winners are seen as more skilled, more expert gamblers while losers are mostly labelled as addicts. However, the reality is that problem gambling does not always depend on the outcomes but on the behavior that is out of control and negatively affects one’s life.

Gambling addiction is more than the frequency of wins or losses; it is about how gambling affects a person's life. If a gambler keeps playing even after significant losses, they might need assistance irrespective of their winning frequency. The issue at hand is not the win rate but the continuation of play after large losses which may require intervention to address other underlying factors that contribute to their gambling behavior.

I can only see one user persona you are referring to here. And you seem to be searching for the same answer the previous OP was looking for. Perhaps you can go through that thread and read the replies there.

Meanwhile, there is no difference between them in terms of addiction. Winning and losing can make a person addicted to gambling. With winning then tend to chase more wins and when losing they tend to chase wins as well.

Sadly, that is correct. If you are winning, you won't look desperate and wear homeless clothes which means you sure have found your career in gambling.

But if you are losing money, you are hungry and most probably because you still gamble even without money, you are desperate and likely end up homeless because you still wouldn't stop gambling despite the situation. I guess that's something the gambler needs to realize himself. Winning is good and losing is bad.

This kind of thread was created some hours ago. You can read what people posted on the thread instead.

When you're winning it's fun but when you're losing it's addictive right?

What causes addiction is misplaced of priorities with gamblers.

We are not being addicted in gambling because of winning or not, we all know that in gambling, we most likely tend to lose than winning, moreover not all gamblers were gambling for making money, but some will be gambling and they you will obviously see that some certain things were not right about the same gambler and when you look more closer into the reason behind that, all you could figure out is gambling addiction being the major cause.

Hello gambler.
Am just wondering if one is gambling everyday (24/7) and he's winning in all his predictions (let's say 90% of his games are won) we do not call the person an addicted gambler, but we only say that he's an expert gambler. But if a gambler is not winning and he's gambling everyday we do call the person an addicted gambler.

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This quote made me create this thread.