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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

I read that most churches in Africa are business so It was no surprised when I read here that the pastor closed them his church for wining 100 million shillings. Most pastors are deceiving there members, they preach one thing and does the other. They preach against gambling yet they're one of the biggest gamblers just as this story is exposing.

This won't be the pastors first bet which means he has been betting all this while they preach against it. I'm not against gambling and I don't think it's evil but then it shouldn't be abuse as when you abuse it it becomes evil. The bible says it itself that too much of everything isn't good so is gambling.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

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I am very quite disappointed because it will tarnish the public's trust in any religious leaders regarding this matter, because on an ethical basis a religious leader is a role model for his followers, and I am quite sure that no religion allows gambling even to make a living by relying on luck. In my opinion, this is quite immoral, even though basically a religious leader is also human like an ordinary human being who likes to make mistakes, but I can't justify it because he talks almost every day sharing love and kindness with the people he meets and even worse he stops being a religious leader is for the sake of making more money by gambling, I think working in other fields besides trying your luck on the gambling board can be tolerated.

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Quote from: Chikito on March 27, 2023, 09:05:09 PM

Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

Money makes a person's beliefs change every time in second, we can't argue this fact and his deceit. Maybe he builds the church just open collect donator funds and use it as capital for gambling because we don't know the depths of the pastor's heart. If I were people who live in that local residents, I will call the money auditors agency to audit all the Pastor's Money, because he might violate the rules like misappropriation of public funds.

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We really don't know the motives of the pastor, if the church and his beliefs are real or just for donation sake because he wants to gamble it, but looking at it from our perspective, he closes the church after winning it, so the dark side of it really is the purpose. People will really change their minds when it comes to huge money, and for sure he is already living out of his life right now and very happy.

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Quote from: Chikito on March 27, 2023, 09:05:09 PM

Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

Money makes a person's beliefs change every time in second, we can't argue this fact and his deceit. Maybe he builds the church just open collect donator funds and use it as capital for gambling because we don't know the depths of the pastor's heart. If I were people who live in that local residents, I will call the money auditors agency to audit all the Pastor's Money, because he might violate the rules like misappropriation of public funds.

I don't think it's safe to general this idea that money can change the mindsets of everyone.
If they have been traces of deceit in a person's heart that's when money will take effect, and what money does is to elevate all the deceitful act and then shows what the true color of the person is.
And in the case of the pastor in Op, it's quite obvious that he never had good intentions for his congregation so all his goal was to embezzle all the money that comes into the church and use for his personal use.

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I grew up in Muslim community in secular but Muslim country, Türkiye. Here gambling is seen strictly immoral or haram (in Islamic culture). By the way regular physical casinos are illegal here BUT sports betting is totally legal. And funny, many young people, even ones that define themselves Muslim love to do sports betting. Its very very popular. I think all kinds of people even religious leaders can see fun in gambling but I think its probably unethical for them to gamble/bet. I am not religious person so personally I don't find it disturbing to see imam gambling.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

Money makes a person's beliefs change every time in second, we can't argue this fact and his deceit. Maybe he builds the church just open collect donator funds and use it as capital for gambling because we don't know the depths of the pastor's heart. If I were people who live in that local residents, I will call the money auditors agency to audit all the Pastor's Money, because he might violate the rules like misappropriation of public funds.

Pastors are also human beings who can be tempted by worldly life.
When there is greed or the desire to get money, a person will try it and use all means to be able to have money to get what he wants.
So it was very difficult to hold back their passion when he saw an opportunity to do something bad, even though he was a priest.
And now, people don't know where the pastor went with his winnings while the pastor was enjoying his winnings.

This was a pastor only for money as we saw from his story,he did not care much about his believers and he just followed his greed and desire for money.People don't know where he went but most probably he will be back as once a gambler always a gambler and as soon as he will lose the money no matter how much that money is,people will see him back with new ways of deceiving people,most likely telling them a story how God called him aside to make him a better person or something along these lines.He is now on the path of destruction and it will take just a short amount of time until we see what God has really done with him.

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Quote from: Chikito on March 27, 2023, 09:05:09 PM

Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

Money makes a person's beliefs change every time in second, we can't argue this fact and his deceit. Maybe he builds the church just open collect donator funds and use it as capital for gambling because we don't know the depths of the pastor's heart. If I were people who live in that local residents, I will call the money auditors agency to audit all the Pastor's Money, because he might violate the rules like misappropriation of public funds.

Pastors are also human beings who can be tempted by worldly life.
When there is greed or the desire to get money, a person will try it and use all means to be able to have money to get what he wants.
So it was very difficult to hold back their passion when he saw an opportunity to do something bad, even though he was a priest.
And now, people don't know where the pastor went with his winnings while the pastor was enjoying his winnings.

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Quote from: harizen on March 27, 2023, 06:52:46 PM

Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

These people who claimed or live proof that gambling can make a living don't have any obligations to tell us if it's really true or not that they rely on their gambling skills to support their living. I mean, just mind our own business regardless of everything.

We don't even need to know if these people really can keep up with their gambling career to the point that they can consider it now as a primary source of income.

Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

Some religious leaders don't need to gamble literally just to gain more funds.

Establishing a religious group is quite profitable in most countries due to its influence.

I certainly agree with that, but still there're people who will change their belief once money is presented on the table just like the OPs example of a pastor winning millions of money. I agree that being on that profession can be profitable but there will always be people who are greedy that still wants more. It is immoral that he shuts down the temple discriminately but maybe he is planning to start a new career using his own money from gambling.

I'm no longer shock what people will do for the sake of money, there're even worse that would commit atrocious crimes just to get their hands on money. This isn't also my first time hearing and seeing religious figures who are obsessed with money.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

What are you serious mate that you have gambling strategies? And those works? I mean then why there are poor people in the world? All should use those strategies and would become rich overnight. I mean these strategies are just useless. Not a single strategy works the second time. Gambling is basically pure luck and 1% Maths. If you want to survive completely on the basis of gambling, then I am afraid that it will he hard for you. Gambling can only be done to earn extra income. Yes there are some rich brats who used gambling as a source of recreation and do high bets, don’t fall for them, and gamble in limits.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

Money makes a person's beliefs change every time in second, we can't argue this fact and his deceit. Maybe he builds the church just open collect donator funds and use it as capital for gambling because we don't know the depths of the pastor's heart. If I were people who live in that local residents, I will call the money auditors agency to audit all the Pastor's Money, because he might violate the rules like misappropriation of public funds.

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In fact, regardless of whether it's a religious leader or an ordinary citizen, people who have a lot of time or not as long as it's clear that gambling is possible can still happen. it's just that the difference in this case is when religious leaders who should know it is forbidden and they are saints actually they don't do that. But when talking about emotions and greed, of course they are also just ordinary humans who definitely have a desire for these things, so even though this is not very ethical, it is still possible for this to happen and that is probably one of the many who do this.

The point is that religious leaders are human too. Like others they also need money and want to do whatever they want but financial constraints do not allow them to realize those dreams. Because they are in a respected position in the society, they may not expose their gambling activities to the front. But they also have greed and emotion that we cannot ignore. No one has anything to say if someone is gambling secretly.

Similarly, any celebrity should be very careful on what they do as their image can quickly spread in social media. This means that people somehow idolize these celebrities to the point that they become role models for other people as well. Same with pastors, lots of religious people look up to them and view them as image on where the people should follow.

If you hear a pastor that gambles on a frequent basis, it somehow destroys the image on how he shaped himself. It also destroys the very purpose on why he devoted his entire life for this kind of service since people would more or less avoid following him.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

These people who claimed or live proof that gambling can make a living don't have any obligations to tell us if it's really true or not that they rely on their gambling skills to support their living. I mean, just mind our own business regardless of everything.

We don't even need to know if these people really can keep up with their gambling career to the point that they can consider it now as a primary source of income.

Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

Some religious leaders don't need to gamble literally just to gain more funds.

Establishing a religious group is quite profitable in most countries due to its influence.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

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This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

You are primarily discussing Christianity and the Church in this topic as this religion is divided into various parts some of which see and consiider gambling as a sin while others simply dislike it. Although I am not religious and do not support any specific part it is unfair to attribute the actions of a few individuals to an entire religion. What these pastors did was not related to gambling, but rather their preference for money over their beliefs if they actually did in first place so they were not true representatives of their religion since they did not follow its rules in the first place. Similarly, this pastor who has been accused of rape does not represent his religion, as he violated its principles.

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The Bible, Gambling and Fundraisers
As you know, some churches use bingo and lotteries as a means of raising money for charitable purposes. Yet, many conservative Christians frown upon gambling of any kind, be it lotteries, slot machines, horse/dog racing, the Irish sweepstakes, roulette wheels, poker, bridge, or flipping a coin. Why? Matthew 7:16 says, "by their fruits you shall know them."

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While in Islam I am well aware that gambling is strictly forbidden and it is considered a major sin to engage in it ,The Quran clearly states that gambling is an act of the devil that can lead to addiction and waste of wealth. While some religions may forbid gambling while others may permit it, after all everyone is responsible for their actions.

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Deciding whether gambling is right or wrong for them is subjective. For non-believer to their religion will find this news as normal event because the Pastor is living on Uganda which we all know that is very hard to earn money but this is different if you are the one with same religion with them because Pastors are role model for holiness in their religion.

I will never blame the Pastor on doing gambling to earn more for his own future. Probably his earnings through his ministry is not sufficient for his daily needs especially if he has a family to feed.

Even if we say gambling for religious leaders is unethical, but it does not mean that they cannot gamble at all. At the end of the day, it’s always their choice to gamble or not. However, based on the Pastor’s story, he decided to gamble and when he won huge amount, he shut down his ministry which for me is reasonable too since he’s not a real pastor in profession. He only did that to survive and use the money to raise his family.

Yes, he did the right thing than carrying the pastor attire. He's a common man who used the pastoral service as a profession and had better life than many other people of the particular locality, because people used to support the pastors even at their inability. There is nothing as pastors can't gamble, they preach and the same doesn't mean they should follow. There is a common slogan in my region believe in the preaching and not the preacher.

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Quote from: Beparanf on March 24, 2023, 11:07:13 AM

Deciding whether gambling is right or wrong for them is subjective. For non-believer to their religion will find this news as normal event because the Pastor is living on Uganda which we all know that is very hard to earn money but this is different if you are the one with same religion with them because Pastors are role model for holiness in their religion.

I will never blame the Pastor on doing gambling to earn more for his own future. Probably his earnings through his ministry is not sufficient for his daily needs especially if he has a family to feed.

Even if we say gambling for religious leaders is unethical, but it does not mean that they cannot gamble at all. At the end of the day, it’s always their choice to gamble or not. However, based on the Pastor’s story, he decided to gamble and when he won huge amount, he shut down his ministry which for me is reasonable too since he’s not a real pastor in profession. He only did that to survive and use the money to raise his family.

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Quote from: Tumanggor on March 27, 2023, 02:54:59 PM

I am also a Christian but our church strictly prohibits all forms of gambling because the reason is that people who become gambling addicts will only commit crimes to gamble and not everyone is able to control it

All if not the majority of Christian churches don't allow gambling, it's a sin for all of that types of churches.

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however, if the church in Uganda makes sense of what the priest is doing then they really go too far, and the domino effect that will occur will truly be unstoppable, many other priests will become gamblers and close their churches

It's an act that can't be removed too quick and that's why people go to churches for them to remove vices like this. But if the pastor is the one that has it, how can those members hope to remove that vice of them if the one that teaches them also has it? It's a sad situation for those members that have been left by him but also, it's better to be seen that situation too early before it's too late.

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It's obvious the pastor was running the church because he was probably out of business ideas, out of income and needed something to do or was looking for a means to extort from people around him.

For a supposed man of God to abandon his call and focus on money??
God help us..

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

It's maybe a bit sad and rude to say, but at the same time I believe that anyone can learn as much as they desire. Intelligence and education play a major factor in whether someone can or will be a successful gambler in the long run. There are also many other factors, like whether they are able to learn and practice their skills in a relatively stable, potentially low pressure environment. Another starting point is that they must have a lot of patience and a keen interest in learning how to master one of the few avenues of successful gambling - like poker for example. There are many different techniques that they may choose to master, but it requires constant learning because there are always hunters out there seeking to capitalize on your smallest mistakes.

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Wether religious or not, the vocal point should be that anyone engaging in gambling should make sure to gamble responsibly because it is the abuse of it that have landed many persons to ruin therefore making the activity look devilish that makes some religions to vehemently preach preach against the involvement of it by it's religious believers. We can't say gambling hasn't made so many persons around the world rich just because it didn't make you or someone next to you reach perhaps you ain't lucky enough to get rich through it.
But that being said, I wouldn't wanna use this as an excuse to solely depend on gambling as a source of wealth or income to me cause the activity is predominantly dependent on lucky before strategy, as there are great strategists that haven't made a fortune in gambling throughout their gambling history but a new fellow can jump in today and hit a fortune by way of luck. And am sure no sane person would wanna hang his future on luck!

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Quote from: BobK71 on March 27, 2023, 02:38:47 PM

Quote from: Jody.Drummer on March 27, 2023, 01:13:30 PM

In fact, regardless of whether it's a religious leader or an ordinary citizen, people who have a lot of time or not as long as it's clear that gambling is possible can still happen. it's just that the difference in this case is when religious leaders who should know it is forbidden and they are saints actually they don't do that. But when talking about emotions and greed, of course they are also just ordinary humans who definitely have a desire for these things, so even though this is not very ethical, it is still possible for this to happen and that is probably one of the many who do this.

The point is that religious leaders are human too. Like others they also need money and want to do whatever they want but financial constraints do not allow them to realize those dreams. Because they are in a respected position in the society, they may not expose their gambling activities to the front. But they also have greed and emotion that we cannot ignore. No one has anything to say if someone is gambling secretly.

Its just that not bad on having that need of money since this had been our primary concern on thriving out to attain or making some income which it is really that normal if ever we do have that kind of approach

when it comes on earning money specially on the time that we do able to encounter huge sums then reactions could really vary or differ into each other person which we know that there might be some who do

make out some impulsive decisions like this one.Yes, we are just human beings but making out actions is something that sensible and relevant.If you do tolerate out your greed
towards money then you wouldnt really be giving out any importance and being mindful in regarding with other people.

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