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Quote from: Tumanggor on March 27, 2023, 01:54:59 PM

Quote from: STT on March 27, 2023, 12:52:22 PM

Gambling is fine in some churches so long as the proceeds are towards a good cause, so all profits are likely the church or charity. Thats not a rare thing, usually its more done for fun then any idea of winning big but I suppose 4 figure prizes might be a thing in some places.
Gambling by itself is ok its only the excess that is where it can be a problem. Uganda is not especially a free democratic country, we cannot say his plan for carrying on his good works but anyone can gamble so long as they only risk what they lawfully earnt we are free to spend in that respect.

I am also a Christian but our church strictly prohibits all forms of gambling because the reason is that people who become gambling addicts will only commit crimes to gamble and not everyone is able to control it

however, if the church in Uganda makes sense of what the priest is doing then they really go too far, and the domino effect that will occur will truly be unstoppable, many other priests will become gamblers and close their churches

I comprehend the Church's position on wagering, but surely that needn't bar folks from relishing a harmless contest or two. Undoubtedly, gambling addiction is grave, but not all who venture down this path will spiral into lawlessness. Moderation and self-discipline are the keys, my friend.

As for the Uganda episode, let's not be hasty. Though the priest's promotion of gambling raises eyebrows, we're not privy to the entire narrative. He could be funneling proceeds to philanthropy, or perhaps there's another angle. Let's remain open-minded and amass the evidence before passing judgment.

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Quote from: STT on March 27, 2023, 12:52:22 PM

Gambling is fine in some churches so long as the proceeds are towards a good cause, so all profits are likely the church or charity. Thats not a rare thing, usually its more done for fun then any idea of winning big but I suppose 4 figure prizes might be a thing in some places.
Gambling by itself is ok its only the excess that is where it can be a problem. Uganda is not especially a free democratic country, we cannot say his plan for carrying on his good works but anyone can gamble so long as they only risk what they lawfully earnt we are free to spend in that respect.

I am also a Christian but our church strictly prohibits all forms of gambling because the reason is that people who become gambling addicts will only commit crimes to gamble and not everyone is able to control it

however, if the church in Uganda makes sense of what the priest is doing then they really go too far, and the domino effect that will occur will truly be unstoppable, many other priests will become gamblers and close their churches

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Quote from: Jody.Drummer on March 27, 2023, 12:13:30 PM

In fact, regardless of whether it's a religious leader or an ordinary citizen, people who have a lot of time or not as long as it's clear that gambling is possible can still happen. it's just that the difference in this case is when religious leaders who should know it is forbidden and they are saints actually they don't do that. But when talking about emotions and greed, of course they are also just ordinary humans who definitely have a desire for these things, so even though this is not very ethical, it is still possible for this to happen and that is probably one of the many who do this.

The point is that religious leaders are human too. Like others they also need money and want to do whatever they want but financial constraints do not allow them to realize those dreams. Because they are in a respected position in the society, they may not expose their gambling activities to the front. But they also have greed and emotion that we cannot ignore. No one has anything to say if someone is gambling secretly.

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Quote from: goldkingcoiner on March 27, 2023, 12:26:35 PM

Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 09:42:42 AM

When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

News source:
https://www.reubenabati.com.ng/news/pastor-shuts-down-church-after-winning-n100m-sports-bet

I do not know if there is any religion which would condone gambling but as far as I know, they all are against gambling one way or another. Gambling is also punished more or less severely, depending on the person's religion. So any religious leader who gambles or condones gambling is probably not a real religious leader but rather a cultist or, more likely, a scam artist.

Obviously there needs to be more investigations into such people but in countries which are poor and corrupt, there is little to no chance of such an investigation being launched against them. Hence, they continue scamming until they scam the wrong people and then the people take justice into their own hands...

Gambling is not liked in majority of countries and regions and it is also considered illegal in many countries so if a religious leader is gambling that means he is not observing and acting upon his own teachings .
Gambling can cause low self-esteem, stress, anxiety and depression if gambling becomes a problem. Gambling can become an addiction, just like drugs or alcohol, if you use it compulsively or feel out of control. Gambling can affect the part of our brain that releases dopamine.

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Gambling is fine in some churches so long as the proceeds are towards a good cause, so all profits are likely the church or charity. Thats not a rare thing, usually its more done for fun then any idea of winning big but I suppose 4 figure prizes might be a thing in some places.
Gambling by itself is ok its only the excess that is where it can be a problem. Uganda is not especially a free democratic country, we cannot say his plan for carrying on his good works but anyone can gamble so long as they only risk what they lawfully earnt we are free to spend in that respect.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 09:42:42 AM

When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

News source:
https://www.reubenabati.com.ng/news/pastor-shuts-down-church-after-winning-n100m-sports-bet

I do not know if there is any religion which would condone gambling but as far as I know, they all are against gambling one way or another. Gambling is also punished more or less severely, depending on the person's religion. So any religious leader who gambles or condones gambling is probably not a real religious leader but rather a cultist or, more likely, a scam artist.

Obviously there needs to be more investigations into such people but in countries which are poor and corrupt, there is little to no chance of such an investigation being launched against them. Hence, they continue scamming until they scam the wrong people and then the people take justice into their own hands...

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In fact, regardless of whether it's a religious leader or an ordinary citizen, people who have a lot of time or not as long as it's clear that gambling is possible can still happen. it's just that the difference in this case is when religious leaders who should know it is forbidden and they are saints actually they don't do that. But when talking about emotions and greed, of course they are also just ordinary humans who definitely have a desire for these things, so even though this is not very ethical, it is still possible for this to happen and that is probably one of the many who do this.

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Quote from: bittraffic on March 24, 2023, 12:24:07 PM

The pastor shut down his ministry, you could say he doesn't want anyone questioning his gambling adventure that resulted in him winning more than half a million USD so it's best to just shutdown. He also confessed he wasn't really called to preach lord's work. He just did it for money. Embarrassed

We're all guilty of something, I would still forgive the guy even for wagering the money that is from the congregation. Hope he donates some to the church he once with.

The pastor is just being reasonable when he shut down his church because he knows exactly that he cannot serve two masters at a time, regardless if he’s a real pastor or not. And he knows for sure that it’s unethical to see religious leaders addicted in gambling, so he decided to gamble instead than to continue deceiving the people around. Well, for me his action might be dishonorable, but we know its for the good. Than to keep on hiding his real identity and continue to commit heavy sin.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 09:42:42 AM

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

We could say the pastor got lucky and not because, he professionalised gambling and in turn, met his fortuned through it. In fact, he had his profession in the ministry job or business in his case as I chose to understand it and when he got that huge win from his hubby, he had to abandon that which was more stressful for him go leaving a life that he feels is more suited for him.

The path of religion and gambling had been one on the distant past, given that, these are taxable events and even up this day but, it sort of met some rumble due to the fact that, gambling has been the bad behind some irresponsible gamblers frustration.
Also, it lead to certain individuals committing crimes and been prone to drugs. Your always advised to gamble responsibly and avoid addictions.

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Quote from: Odusko on March 26, 2023, 02:30:50 PM

I mean no disrespect to active gamblers but the truth is gambling is not sustainable and there is no guarantee of winning so relying on gambling for daily needs and as a career will be setting up yourself for disaster because you can't win over the house in a consistent manner.
Make no mistake, one can get lucky to win a lottery thereby changing the course of their life by diversifying their efforts but them also it takes sever discipline to be able to walk away with winning without being trick to risk it winning more thereby losing again.

I think some might disagree since they would argue that they can make a living out of gambling. But, I think, most of the people engaged in gambling had experience having majority of loss than win. So, I agree that it has really no guarantee that you could gain profit every time. This is not good when it would be the source of income for daily needs since it isn't stable enough to provide you your needs. Gambling is still a game of luck, so just be careful not to throw yourself into an unending cycle that might stuck you for no good.

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Quote from: Jawhead999 on March 26, 2023, 04:11:05 AM

When someone want to learn about religion more than other person and want to become a pastor, it doesn't mean all pastors have a same purpose. Few pastors are use it to make money, to abuse his power, to mislead other people etc. Maybe this pastor also want to make money too because he choose to gamble and earn a lot money rather than continue his job in ministry. But he will not get any punishment because he was not broke any law in his country.

Definitely true, if we also look on the history, we can see that pastor/priest during that time was the powerful person in one country, some of them used it in a wrong way instead focusing on serving the ministry. I guess that pastor who gamble is also taking the advantage of having the means/money to use for gambling. That just shows that all of us are really sinners, cause even the pastor who we think are holy was not to.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on March 26, 2023, 05:20:41 AM

Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 09:42:42 AM

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

Well, priests are human and some even have sex despite being forbidden to do so (although depending on the type of church, not all are forbidden to do so), so I am not surprised that they gamble. In this case, given that he was betting and after winning that amount he has decided to shut down the ministry, it seems to me that he is going to indulge in earthly pleasures for a while.

I think it is not an excuse for a priest or religious leaders to do immorality. Because they are human they are free to commit such sins? I do not think that is a valid reason, because before they go into priesthood, they have to denounce immorality and evil things. Remember they are pursuing spirituality so they should disconnect themselves from worldly activity. No one force them to be a priest, pastors or preachers, it is their own choice.

The man on the topic is actually frauding his follower and he has been indulging himself in earthly pleasure. He uses the donation money to supply his needs and wants probably even his vices. I do not think that this guy will show his face on the community again if ever his money runs out. He maybe putting another religious leader to some part of the country if his needs for funds arises. So I think this guy should be sued of fraud and be jailed.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 09:42:42 AM

When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

News source:
https://www.reubenabati.com.ng/news/pastor-shuts-down-church-after-winning-n100m-sports-bet

I'm an agnostic, so I don't see anything bad or strange in this situation. The clergy are just human beings as you or me so they sometimes gamble, buy luxury stuff, drive expensive cars (seduce little boys haha). Perhaps a religious person would think otherwise though. Just my 2c.

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Quote from: maydna on March 26, 2023, 03:11:06 PM

Quote from: Lorence.xD on March 26, 2023, 09:57:08 AM

I agree, even pastors have a wife because there's a belief that they are not allowed to have a intimate relationship with their opposite sex, same with the nun. It's like playing outside even your parents said that you're not allowed to. But I expected that if he really devoted himself as a pastor maybe he'll donate some of his winning to charity. Of course we people have a side where we'd like to feel the enjoyment and excitement to our life so maybe he choose this side. But shutting down the ministry makes me think that he doesn't even want to be a pastor that shutting it down is unnecessary or maybe he'll be doing gambling and no ones gonna look for the ministry.

But he won't because he has already closed his ministry to his congregation. Maybe he wants to enjoy the winnings and never be a priest again. According to him, maybe it is normal when someone can get a lot of money, regardless of money from gambling. But after all, he was a religious leader before, so that would stick with him forever unless there were people who didn't know him. And it seems he has moved places and is looking for a city where no one will recognize him anymore. And maybe he will still gamble to get another big win.

There's no turning back into those someone who had closed up his church and decided to leave out this path just because he had win something big and decided up to cherish these winnings which is really

that sad for someone who do make out such decision.In this case then you could really prove out that priest is really that something have those kind of intents since from the start.It is really just that sad

that he do leave out his followers for money which i wont be really surprised if ever there would be some another pretending priest to quit up this path just because they do want
to pursue on what those wishes and plans that they do have.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on March 26, 2023, 09:57:08 AM

I agree, even pastors have a wife because there's a belief that they are not allowed to have a intimate relationship with their opposite sex, same with the nun. It's like playing outside even your parents said that you're not allowed to. But I expected that if he really devoted himself as a pastor maybe he'll donate some of his winning to charity. Of course we people have a side where we'd like to feel the enjoyment and excitement to our life so maybe he choose this side. But shutting down the ministry makes me think that he doesn't even want to be a pastor that shutting it down is unnecessary or maybe he'll be doing gambling and no ones gonna look for the ministry.

But he won't because he has already closed his ministry to his congregation. Maybe he wants to enjoy the winnings and never be a priest again. According to him, maybe it is normal when someone can get a lot of money, regardless of money from gambling. But after all, he was a religious leader before, so that would stick with him forever unless there were people who didn't know him. And it seems he has moved places and is looking for a city where no one will recognize him anymore. And maybe he will still gamble to get another big win.

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I mean no disrespect to active gamblers but the truth is gambling is not sustainable and there is no guarantee of winning so relying on gambling for daily needs and as a career will be setting up yourself for disaster because you can't win over the house in a consistent manner.
Make no mistake, one can get lucky to win a lottery thereby changing the course of their life by diversifying their efforts but them also it takes sever discipline to be able to walk away with winning without being trick to risk it winning more thereby losing again.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on March 26, 2023, 09:57:08 AM

I agree, even pastors have a wife because there's a belief that they are not allowed to have a intimate relationship with their opposite sex, same with the nun.

Those are the priests and they're different from pastors.

Quote from: Mauser on March 26, 2023, 10:30:27 AM

Good for the pastor, no need to judge him for quitting his job. He is a normal person like all of us and should be able to choose freely what to do with his time. I am not really a religious person, so I am too familiar with how the church stands towards gambling. What I do know is that the Christian Community has different branches and some are more strict than others. Maybe there are some priests who are more open towards gambling. My grand parents were very religious people, going to church every Sunday morning and still used my grand father to play the lottery for more than 30 years. To me it seems that the church is fine with us gambling, as long as it's in a responsible way and doesn't bring us on a bad way in life.

For religious people, this is a sign that he'll be a false teacher because of how most beliefs say that it's not allowed for anyone to gamble when you're inside a religion. And he's not just a member but a pastor.

But in the end, we can think of wherever he is happy with his life and just want to live normally without much spiritual obligations and tasks so he chose the life he wants.

@OP, those people that are telling that one cannot live a good life with gambling. You're right, they could be the frustrated gamblers but most likely, they are the ones that don't really gamble at all.

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Quote from: Peanutswar on March 24, 2023, 12:01:29 PM

There's no status in choosing playing gambling if you want to play and get entertained there's a chance you get addicted no matter what status do you have as long as you are capable to play base on OP they are just one have a job but not all the time those job are in a life time it's all about people own choice and perspective.

I think those who play for the money or profits are the ones who are prone to addictions and not those who only play to get entertained because they can only play small amount and they can even play without depositing real money. Some jobs are not permanent. What's worse is the pay rate for these jobs are also small, and that is why many are eager to find other sources of income and one that they see is gambling.

Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 09:42:42 AM

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

Yes of course. They are still a human like us who also have other interests and addictions in life but it can also depend on their religion as some religion strictly prohibits gambling. I think that pastor is earning something on his ministry and he is now tired of working so by the time he won a huge amount, he decided to take a rest for while and enjoy his money. Well, that's his decision. There's nothing we can do about it.

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I think all religion not allowed about gambling, but what happen with pastor and OP problem in their country with winning 100 million dollar and leave with their activities as pastor seems terrible. I sure first time he has been pastor get planning earn much money and used for gambling. You should ask about where is money come from and use by pastor for gambling, I sure his job take advantage earn much money from their member and use it for gambling.

But I don't know detail about pastor job because difference with my religion and how much money income every weeks or every month from their member, will use for the right place or OP pastor country use it for betting.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 09:42:42 AM

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

Good for the pastor, no need to judge him for quitting his job. He is a normal person like all of us and should be able to choose freely what to do with his time. I am not really a religious person, so I am too familiar with how the church stands towards gambling. What I do know is that the Christian Community has different branches and some are more strict than others. Maybe there are some priests who are more open towards gambling. My grand parents were very religious people, going to church every Sunday morning and still used my grand father to play the lottery for more than 30 years. To me it seems that the church is fine with us gambling, as long as it's in a responsible way and doesn't bring us on a bad way in life.

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