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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on March 26, 2023, 05:20:41 AM

Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 09:42:42 AM

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

Well, priests are human and some even have sex despite being forbidden to do so (although depending on the type of church, not all are forbidden to do so), so I am not surprised that they gamble. In this case, given that he was betting and after winning that amount he has decided to shut down the ministry, it seems to me that he is going to indulge in earthly pleasures for a while.

I agree, even pastors have a wife because there's a belief that they are not allowed to have a intimate relationship with their opposite sex, same with the nun. It's like playing outside even your parents said that you're not allowed to. But I expected that if he really devoted himself as a pastor maybe he'll donate some of his winning to charity. Of course we people have a side where we'd like to feel the enjoyment and excitement to our life so maybe he choose this side. But shutting down the ministry makes me think that he doesn't even want to be a pastor that shutting it down is unnecessary or maybe he'll be doing gambling and no ones gonna look for the ministry.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on March 26, 2023, 05:20:41 AM

Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 09:42:42 AM

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

Well, priests are human and some even have sex despite being forbidden to do so (although depending on the type of church, not all are forbidden to do so), so I am not surprised that they gamble. In this case, given that he was betting and after winning that amount he has decided to shut down the ministry, it seems to me that he is going to indulge in earthly pleasures for a while.

Well, no surprises at all because like you said, pastors are also humans and they aren't Gods who aren't doing anything wrong. They're humans as well that also making mistakes so TBH, I didn't surprised at all. What I'm surprised with is the fact that he confessed, and didn't lie at all. I mean for a pastor to go gamble and luckily won, he might lie unto it, but he confessed and really said it to public which is a good thing.

I've also seen news here in our country regarding a priest having an affair with a teen that is on their singing choir, but eventually got arrested. I also saw a priest here in our place making fights with an opposite party because of elections.

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Quote from: Don Pedro Dinero on March 26, 2023, 05:20:41 AM

Well, priests are human and some even have sex despite being forbidden to do so (although depending on the type of church, not all are forbidden to do so), so I am not surprised that they gamble. In this case, given that he was betting and after winning that amount he has decided to shut down the ministry, it seems to me that he is going to indulge in earthly pleasures for a while.

What do you mean (although depending on the type of church, not all are prohibited from doing so)?
All religions prohibit bad actions including gambling and no religion allows its adherents to gamble.
I don't know why and what's wrong with gambling so that all religions forbid it, I don't know, but what is clear is that gambling is not a recommended activity.
If possible, a person must avoid gambling so that his life will be better, not a few people experience economic difficulties because of gambling addiction.
The priest could be happy now because he made a lot of money from gambling but when the money runs out he will find it difficult.

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Saw this in another post earlier (or yesterday I think). I'd say they're free to gamble imo, just that my say in this actually has no implications whatsoever since what they follow is the doctrine of whatever religion they follow (and I'm not really that religious of a person). I don't think anyone has any right to "reject" a person to gamble just based on their beliefs, but that's up to them, I myself am completely fine with anyone gambling really.

I'd say it's unethical to gamble when the doctrine they follow strictly says not to, and even if it doesn't explicitly state it, gambling is mostly frowned upon by a majority (if not all) of religions so just the act of thinking about it is enough to label someone as unethical, especially in the case of a pastor which is a leading person in any religion. Honestly wouldn't let this affect you if you're not that religious, and if you are, just label them as unethical. That's all one can do anyway, there isn't any law stating that unethical gambling should be followed by an arrest after all.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 09:42:42 AM

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

Well, priests are human and some even have sex despite being forbidden to do so (although depending on the type of church, not all are forbidden to do so), so I am not surprised that they gamble. In this case, given that he was betting and after winning that amount he has decided to shut down the ministry, it seems to me that he is going to indulge in earthly pleasures for a while.

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Quote from: speedy963 on March 26, 2023, 03:56:47 AM

I have already heard lots of bad deeds about some messengers of god like doing drugs, sexual harassments, abortion and many more. This are only few examples I heard. There was also a breaking news few years ago about a pastor/founder inviting their followers in an investment scheme.

Even though their religious leaders are still ordinary people who definitely have the desire to do something that is contrary to the rules of their religion.
This happens everywhere and there are many more incidents like you have told us about.
Gambling is just a minor religious taboo and so easy to practice that many people, from good people to criminals, have all had some experience of gambling as there are many forms of gambling.
So don't be surprised if a priest makes a bet even though he has often told his followers that gambling is an act that is forbidden.

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When someone want to learn about religion more than other person and want to become a pastor, it doesn't mean all pastors have a same purpose. Few pastors are use it to make money, to abuse his power, to mislead other people etc. Maybe this pastor also want to make money too because he choose to gamble and earn a lot money rather than continue his job in ministry. But he will not get any punishment because he was not broke any law in his country.

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There are some messengers of god who also want to try materialistic things such pranks and memes, but it is the first for me to hear such story that a Pastor shut down his own ministry due to gambling. The story about a Pastor gambling alone is already new to me, how much more shutting the whole temple or ministry? and also, based on that story alone it only proves why he wanted to become a pastor. Not only he tarnished the reputation of many other good pastors but also showed us some nasty example.

I have already heard lots of bad deeds about some messengers of god like doing drugs, sexual harassments, abortion and many more. This are only few examples I heard. There was also a breaking news few years ago about a pastor/founder inviting their followers in an investment scheme.

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Quote from: xSkylarx on March 26, 2023, 02:11:09 AM

That pastor who won gambling for sure he open the church for profit and money i think he is one of those people who are exploiting religious people because if he is real pastor then why he closes his church also regarding gambling , others really gamble but it is really prohibited if you are really religious but it is not strict that is why they continue to gamble. Their are really pastor or priest do respect their belief so they wont gamble

I don't agree with you mate and I understand that you're stating your mind and your point but on the other hand, I've seen pastors and priest also contest for political positions and still win and since they can't serve two masters, had to quit the previous work of being a pastor and face their political career and just of recent in Nigeria, a priest was elected a governor of a state and he was glad to accept the responsibility and that doesn't mean he was a pastor because of money and hence from your context, it seems you expecting pastors and religious leaders not to get rich.
Money and power is the two factors that brings out the true character of a man and the winnings from his bet has brought out his true character.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 09:42:42 AM

When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

News source:
https://www.reubenabati.com.ng/news/pastor-shuts-down-church-after-winning-n100m-sports-bet

Corrupt religious leaders exist since the creation of religions. Many priests and pastors are involved in worse things than gambling.
Gambling has no moral and ethical implications. The pastor from Uganda mentioned in this article is a real gangsta. Grin

I'm sorry to say that, but the whole story sounds kinda funny. OK, this guy had won a big amount or money. Why does he have to shut down his church?
Maybe his preaching would help other people to find true meaning in life(despite him not being a role model).
I guess that he never really wanted to be a pastor.

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A pastor shouldn't gamble because it's forbidden, but does he will go to jail after shut down his ministry? nope, his followers will not happy with him but life goes on and he can migrate to other country if he can't accept society sanction.

It's what it's, the current society is more focus to make more money even though they need to scam their friends or doing anything illegal.

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That pastor who won gambling for sure he open the church for profit and money i think he is one of those people who are exploiting religious people because if he is real pastor then why he closes his church also regarding gambling , others really gamble but it is really prohibited if you are really religious but it is not strict that is why they continue to gamble. Their are really pastor or priest do respect their belief so they wont gamble

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It is a matter of your moral compass. I've seen a lot of religious folks engage in a lot of immoral activities and still attend church regularly. They preach about the teachings of God and does it so in a very condescending manner, as if they are not doing something wrong. Personally, I don't have any problems against these church leaders engaging in these kinds of activities. After all, they don't influence me in any way but those whom they stand up to are the ones that should really think about whether they'll still follow the church leader or not.

Yeah, the real answer will be are you willing to stop gambling? given these reasons are we going to continue to gamble or not. There is no religion on earth that allows drug dealing also people who took drugs needed to be jail and have some rehab. It is still based on your decision whether you should stop or you will follow yourself and prove to them you will not be addicted.

Addiction is one thing, and going against your own religion seems to be more of addiction to me. Church leaders are a role model to their followers, and if they can’t live what they are preaching then its better for them to stop doing it and stop fooling people. Winning the lottery is a big thing and with that money you can use that to make your church bigger but that guy choses a different path and I hope his followers will not follow him anymore.

Gambling is not allowed in any religion. In that case, information about the priest ‍addiction in gambling would discredit him socially. Also, gambling money you spend on improving the church can definitely be positive but if you lose there, it can have the opposite effect. But now conducting gambling is very easy anyone can manage the gambling with privacy. If you participate in the lottery after a certain period of time, there will be no big effect.

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Quote from: lienfaye on March 25, 2023, 09:46:48 PM

Many religions are against gambling, but it doesn't mean their followers or their leaders can't be tempted to gamble unless they're a firm believer and don't want to go against their teachings.

In op's story, this pastor is not a role model to his followers because he chose to close his ministry because of the fortune he received through gambling. He chose money over his ministry, I wonder what his followers felt after seeing what happened.

Yes, all religions forbid the practice of gambling, moreover this is done by religious leaders and it really is a bad example so that religious leaders close their services to all their followers, it's the same at my place but he is still diligent in worship even though he likes to play gambling, maybe this is what is called becoming a gambling addict when you start to get engrossed in it so it is difficult to stop it, let alone become gambling as a reference for fulfilling your life's needs, aka being used as a place to make a living, it is clear that it is absolutely impossible to make gambling a place to make a living.

luck will not come for the umpteenth time, if indeed the religious leader is lucky then it will be difficult to get other luck later, especially if he continues, of course it is a very wrong choice so that it leaves his followers.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 09:42:42 AM

When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

News source:
https://www.reubenabati.com.ng/news/pastor-shuts-down-church-after-winning-n100m-sports-bet

Pastors who gamble are not men of God. A real man of God would never get close to gambling because gambling is a sin. Some religions see nothing wrong with gambling, but the majority of them do.

If he can also quit his ministry because he won a lot of money, it indicates that he started that ministry to earn some money, just like many pastors in churches today who are mostly fake, and the fastest way to earn money is through religion, deceiving people by using God's name and corrupting their minds.

Most pastors chant the name of God for their own selfish gain, brainwashing people into fearing God, and exchanging money and fortune for their own selfish gain.

Not only that most pastors and preachers often use the bible verses in order to get donations from people. They often preaches about giving and tithes so that they can easily collect funds to support their living. I am not against such teachings if the religious leader is really sincere and he has really has the calling of God to be His messenger. Unlike the guy who is stated in this thread. That he create a religious group in order to support his living and is not actually has the calling. This guy action is obviously a fraud. I wonder if there is a law that can be use to sue this person and penalized him of his evil deeds.

- Yes, you're right, I remembered the Kapa organizations that made billions, but the only difference is that they give something back to their members, but it's because of gambling. Apparently, the establishment of religious groups is made to milk money and to avoid tax.

And the verses in the bible are also written in this book that even bad people will use the verses to cheat their members in the church. That means, from the very beginning this ptr that was mentioned had really bad intentions, that's all I can see.

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Quote from: CarnagexD on March 25, 2023, 01:05:10 AM

In Catholic, it is not considered sinful unless the indulgence can no longer be controlled. I learned a preach that says people should not be too attach in earthly things and I believe that that involves gambling.

Also, I don't think that people can make a living through gambling alone. It can be a past time or a leisure but to make a living through it, I think it would take more dedication and addiction. Some gets rich with gambling too but it's because they can afford.

On the contrary, I've seen and I also know people who are living very comfortable lives through gambling and I know of some one who built his life round gambling because he won over $40k when converted to my local currency, it was a very huge amount of money that got him a car, a nice place and then he began investing in casinos and was owning some physical outlets for Casinos and earning some commissions and that has been his field and I don't see him as an addicted gambler because he only plays when he see a nice game.

Just as I said before that I don't think religion has anything to do with someone wanting to gamble and I don't see anything wrong with a pastor gambling as everyone has any equal chances of winning and losing.

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Many religions are against gambling, but it doesn't mean their followers or their leaders can't be tempted to gamble unless they're a firm believer and don't want to go against their teachings.

In op's story, this pastor is not a role model to his followers because he chose to close his ministry because of the fortune he received through gambling. He chose money over his ministry, I wonder what his followers felt after seeing what happened.

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It will not be easy to make a living through gambling because many people have tried it but failed halfway.

If someone is a religious leader, he is not allowed to gamble because religion forbids someone from gambling. But when greed comes to that person, anything can happen, including the religious leader who changes his attitude by closing his ministry. And it depends on his confidence not to play gambling like other people.

^ He is free whatever he wants but because of his position as a religious leader that is difficult to speak even for all religious leaders, it is not uncommon for some individuals who hold religious positions to gamble. They know at the very first place that gambling may conflict with the principles and beliefs that they preach to their congregations. Probably that is the reason the Pastor quit his position because it becomes a conflict with his current position and more worst when people know it.

As a religious leader, he should be able to set a good example for his congregation and always remind them about the dangers of gambling instead of gambling and finally close his service. But I don't know what was on his mind until he decided to gamble but he was lucky to get a lot of money. Hopefully, this will not happen again, and a religious leader can uphold his principles and beliefs properly. And that's a human who can change because of temptation.

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I think that this person should be investigated. Anyone a part of any religious group and handles money definitely should not be gambling. I can't say that I am surprised though. When it comes to financial crime and misappropriating charity, religious groups are definitely not anymore likely or innocent than any other business. Just because they put forward "good values" to their community, that does not mean that they practice what they preach. In my opinion, people should ditch giving to the collection plate and believe in something that might actually return goodness to them and humanity later...like Bitcoin.

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Quote from: jakelyson on March 25, 2023, 05:24:00 PM

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Not all religious groups are for good anyway so I will not be surprised if we saw pastors gambling or doing illegal stuff and going against their own teachings.

It is not fair to categories them to a specific religion, consider everyone as an individual and everyone has their flaws. Even if he is a pastor or a preacher and if he thinks that gambling is fine for his fun time, then what is wrong in that unless he starts spending others money. People flock to religion when they are really facing any issues in their life and if they are providing good advises, then it can help them.

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