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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry.

Different people have their different motives for being religious leaders. Some are in it for the fame, some are in it for the money, some are in it for the impact but the ultimate test of their motives is money. Money reveals alot about human character and behaviour. The pastor in this story may have been unemployed and thought that starting a church is the way out of poverty however he kept his gambling as a side hustle, sort of like a 2-factor authentication.

Do religious leaders gamble?
Yes, they gamble some are just not bold enough to say it because of how people would look at them.

Is it right for religious leaders to gamble?
There is no rightness or wrongness here it is just how you choose to see it.

What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?
For me the ethical and moral consideration here is if you gamble as a religious leader, do not condemn it openly and go ahead to gamble secretly. It is hypocrisy and it is ethically and morally wrong.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

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Gambling is neither a sin nor a vice, as some religions say. Gambling is played regardless of gender, place of residence, religion, or personal beliefs. Both poor and even very rich people play. Personally, I am of the opinion that if my interests do not interfere with other people's freedom, then I am not doing anything wrong. And of course I don't care what highly religious people think.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

If the said pastor did quit after winning huge amount then its up to him on what are his decisions to be made in life because we know that we could really deal up with things as long we do have the money.
It is really just that it turns out that its pretty obvious that he doesnt really want an issue once he would make himself get engage with gambling while he still preaches out God's word.

You are right on which gambling could be always seen as a negative thing on which we know that it would really be just a normal act that they would quit up just for them to make themselves
not really that too guilty if ever they would really be committing out something.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

Do religious leaders gamble?

From the story you just posted, it answers the question. Not all religious leaders, but some religious leaders gamble. You will be surpeised some of the other activities some religious engage in even asides gambling. Religious leaders are not always as perfect and without habits as you think.

Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

Is it right for religious leaders to gamble?

Depending on their religion, It is possible that some religions hold no belief against gambling, for the religious leaders of such religion, gambling is okay for them.

Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

If your belief does not accept it, it becomes a sin as you ae going against what you believe, but if your religion does not consider it sin, then there's nothing wrong.

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Quote from: Beparanf on March 24, 2023, 11:07:13 AM

Deciding whether gambling is right or wrong for them is subjective. For non-believer to their religion will find this news as normal event because the Pastor is living on Uganda which we all know that is very hard to earn money but this is different if you are the one with same religion with them because Pastors are role model for holiness in their religion.

I will never blame the Pastor on doing gambling to earn more for his own future. Probably his earnings through his ministry is not sufficient for his daily needs especially if he has a family to feed.

I guess anyone is free to gamble as long you chose it, regardless if you are a religious leader or not. Although for most religions, gambling is strictly prohibited but we can’t stop a person if he chose to gamble because he has his own views and reasons of doing it. Yes, it could be his ministry earnings is not sufficient enough, or it could be that he just want to gamble to try his luck and hope to make it big with gambling.

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No one justifies that making a living from gambling will never work, and continuing to try to make it will be a sin, because it has gotten out of hand.
But gambling can be a sin, even a mortal sin, if it is carried out excessively which undermines personal honesty or causes a person to suffer great losses which endanger society and especially the dependents of his family.
and I don't blame the priests for gambling as long as it's not excessive, and actually a lot because we don't know and they don't want people to know either and it's all just for fun, and also don't harm yourself and also others.
I like to play cards with some religious figures while on patrol, but not using money and just for fun.

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Religions are the teachings of the ancient world, and in the ancient world unjust gain is forbidden. Money earned with the value of money without effort has been seen as humiliating by everyone from Aristotle to Plato. In fact, Aristotle even had negative views about interest. So, what I mean is that the old world's point of view is not the same as the world we live in. That's why we don't understand or misunderstand some of the religions and their teachings... The pastor mentioned in the subject seems to have adapted to the world we live in and did not understand the nature of religions correctly. So it's perfectly natural for him to gamble.

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Depends on the belief of an individual or within a religion. Belief in the first place has no concrete basis. But if this is concerning living through gambling alone, the answer is a big no. Let us say that you happen to win a huge amount, would that be enough? No amount is enough especially because of the tendency that your expenses could change as well, consuming your winnings faster. Winning in the first place is not certain. If you happen not to win again and end up not being able to maintain your expenses after a huge win, for sure it'll leave you broke. Also, the more you are depending in this industry, the bigger your bets would be.

Quote from: Peanutswar on March 24, 2023, 01:01:29 PM

There's no status in choosing playing gambling if you want to play and get entertained there's a chance you get addicted no matter what status do you have as long as you are capable to play base on OP they are just one have a job but not all the time those job are in a life time it's all about people own choice and perspective.

Yes, never the belief to be questioned but the individual himself, whether to engage or not in this industry. Change is innevitable and is observant to all individuals across races, beliefs, and status.

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I will answer that you can, but with the existing terms and conditions. If they bet on sports betting, they must have the skills and abilities to gather more information in choosing the team to compete in. If they bet on card games, they must also have the skills and abilities to play those card games.

A religious leader can gamble without anyone knowing. But only a handful of religious leaders may gamble, while other religious leaders will argue that gambling is prohibited in their religion. If we talk about moral issues, it will come back to each person about gambling. And it's best not to bring gambling or religion into gambling. It will depend on each of them to respond to it.

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In the case of Christianity and Islam gambling is forbidden or discouraged.
But you also need to be aware that God created humankind with our own will so we can indeed choose whether to obey the commandments of our religions or not.

I have got the impression people over-estimate the personality and religious believes of pastors and priests, to the point people forget they are human beings as well, so they are capable or hypocrisy and even crimes they would keep in secret.

The ideal scenario would not to forget those things and also keep them in mind while looking for a spiritual guide.

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I don't think that pastor was called by God to become a pastor,if not the spirit of God will let him know that gambling is a sin to religious leaders as they are to teach their church members this side effect of gambling.

In Africa,poverty and joblessness has made people to open churches in order to deceive people as a means of hustle to get their daily bread through the tithe and offerings that church members put in their churches. This has trigger so many evil deeds by pastors to make fast money and they involve themselves in various means to get money. I can sense it that that pastor is fake,if not he will not abandon his flock just because he won big. This is when he is suppose to use the money for charity since those are what he preaches.

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The pastor shut down his ministry, you could say he doesn't want anyone questioning his gambling adventure that resulted in him winning more than half a million USD so it's best to just shutdown. He also confessed he wasn't really called to preach lord's work. He just did it for money. Embarrassed

We're all guilty of something, I would still forgive the guy even for wagering the money that is from the congregation. Hope he donates some to the church he once with.

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Quote from: uneng on March 24, 2023, 12:09:48 PM

A religious leader who acts like this must be acting against the words he preaches in other aspects of his life as well, so be careful.

Exactly what I thought. We all know that the teachings and preachings that they've got are always against gambling. But with all of those temptations and the riches that they've got, that have made them easy do what they think will satisfy them.
So, from the very start, it's possible that the pastor has already been aiming for some bucks from his attendees and that's why many people even the atheists are mocking the churches because of acts like this.

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There's no status in choosing playing gambling if you want to play and get entertained there's a chance you get addicted no matter what status do you have as long as you are capable to play base on OP they are just one have a job but not all the time those job are in a life time it's all about people own choice and perspective.

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Quote from: bangjoe on March 24, 2023, 12:17:53 PM

For me it is not ethical if religious leaders play gambling because basically they rely on their religious scriptures and if I'm not mistaken I have never heard of any religion allowing gambling, of course that is moral damage in itself because they convey what is permissible and what is not permissible. do it in religion so that religious leaders become role models for their adherents, of course it is not an ethical thing for religious leaders to play gambling.

At present, gambling has gone to a stage where the religious leaders, the priest are not beyond of it. I can say that not every priest or leader will play. Every human being has the freedom to gamble if he wishes. I haven't heard any such news but this is not incredible. Moreover, if those priests play, they will never be revealed their gambling activities. They will never want to lose their credibility by publishing all that information.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

When some people ask questions about gambling, such as "Can someone can make a living through gambling? I don't like to engage in such conversations because those who doubt that gambling can change someone's life are usually those who have gambled and failed multiple times or those who don't really know gambling strategies.

Recently, a Uganda pastor who won 100million shillings decided to shut down his ministry. This left me with several questions in my head, such as ' Do religious leaders gamble? Is it right for religious leaders to gamble? Knowing fully well that most of them preach against gambling in their religious places. What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

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https://www.reubenabati.com.ng/news/pastor-shuts-down-church-after-winning-n100m-sports-bet

For me it is not ethical if religious leaders play gambling because basically they rely on their religious scriptures and if I'm not mistaken I have never heard of any religion allowing gambling, of course that is moral damage in itself because they convey what is permissible and what is not permissible. do it in religion so that religious leaders become role models for their adherents, of course it is not an ethical thing for religious leaders to play gambling.

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Quote from: Beparanf on March 24, 2023, 11:07:13 AM

Deciding whether gambling is right or wrong for them is subjective. For non-believer to their religion will find this news as normal event because the Pastor is living on Uganda which we all know that is very hard to earn money but this is different if you are the one with same religion with them because Pastors are role model for holiness in their religion.

I will never blame the Pastor on doing gambling to earn more for his own future. Probably his earnings through his ministry is not sufficient for his daily needs especially if he has a family to feed.

I agree with this, it will all depends in their own personal interest and perspective. Some people thinks that gambling is a sin, they just don't want other people to be addicted to it that's why sometimes they even hurt us with wrong words so we are tend to be hurt. Don't mind those people who judge us, as long we know our limits and sometimes it gives us money more money than our jobs we just only need to be disciplined enough and have some self control.

Indeed, basically no one blames anyone for playing gambling, but maybe for everyone who looks at the morals of the behavior of religious leaders it is not an ethical thing, but maybe my perspective is like that because of the teachings that I received so that when talking about religious leaders gambling sound bad.

And again the religious leader that OP was talking about, his goal of becoming a religious leader is just to earn money, not just to convey teachings, which shouldn't be a problem without pay. This has another purpose.

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Quote from: Alphakilo on March 24, 2023, 10:42:42 AM

What is the ethical and moral implications of gambling, particularly in the context of religious practices and beliefs?

I often see cases of priests who fall into the world of gambling, the case that happened to David Ochieng, a Ugandan pastor, is not a strange news about a priest who involved himself in the practice of gambling.

Some examples of cases I've seen.
Boston Looks Into Alleged Bribes By Priests on Church Gambling. and Gambling pastor imprisoned for begging fraud

As published by the police and prosecutors.

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The District Attorney's office and the police announced today a combined investigation into alleged payoffs to the police by Roman Catholic clergymen to ignore illegal gambling activities at certain churches.

In several cases of priests involved in gambling, it can be concluded that, human priests, are not free from mistakes, gambling does not look at certain religious leaders, if there is intention, opportunity, they will do it. money temptation is greater, than any other.

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No one can make a living from gambling. I don't think that's the point of gambling, either. People can make a living with working. Gambling should be just a passion for us. It must be a tool that helps us release happiness hormones like dopamine. I don't think we should attach any more meaning to it. Also, I think religious leaders can gamble too. Everyone should be judged for their own good and evil. If a religious leader does something bad according to his faith, it should only be binding on him. I don't find it odd for a religious leader to gamble.

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Not every religious leaders gamble, because there are those who preach against this practice and are coherent with their speeches, and that is fine. The problem is when the religious leader preaches against gambling in public, but adopt this activity for his life in secret, on his private life.

I say this is a problem not because gambling should be considered wrong or immoral, but because this person is an hypocritical and manipulative one, therefore he shouldn't be trusted and followed by anyone who seek the truth, honesty and balance in life.

A religious leader who acts like this must be acting against the words he preaches in other aspects of his life as well, so be careful.

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Quote from: Beparanf on March 24, 2023, 11:07:13 AM

Deciding whether gambling is right or wrong for them is subjective. For non-believer to their religion will find this news as normal event because the Pastor is living on Uganda which we all know that is very hard to earn money but this is different if you are the one with same religion with them because Pastors are role model for holiness in their religion.

I will never blame the Pastor on doing gambling to earn more for his own future. Probably his earnings through his ministry is not sufficient for his daily needs especially if he has a family to feed.

I agree with this, it will all depends in their own personal interest and perspective. Some people thinks that gambling is a sin, they just don't want other people to be addicted to it that's why sometimes they even hurt us with wrong words so we are tend to be hurt. Don't mind those people who judge us, as long we know our limits and sometimes it gives us money more money than our jobs we just only need to be disciplined enough and have some self control.

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