Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 14. (Read 901370 times)

^^^ Why do you think that I don't accept random events. Haven't I been telling you that the events that brought C&E activity into effect were different than C&E? The fact that QT might assign a probability point to something, also suggests that something can be improbable enough so as to be impossible.

As far as C&E being philosophy, it is only such because a bunch of people won't accept the fact that C&E is QT essentially absolute. Why? Because if everything were QT equally possible, we'd be able to do anything. You'd be out flapping your ears and flying around the city. As it is, it's only the flapping of the mouth that keeps you thinking that there are no limits, contrary to QT, btw.

^^^ That's what Quantum Theory tells us. Yet we have a difficult time doing some of the bizarre things that we should be able to do if QT is right. So, I guess there are some facts and some non-facts after all.

Among the facts is the fact that all atheists hate religion. The difference is that some of them don't know it, just like they don't know that God exists.

^^^ Absolutely, science isn't the only religion, or the only part of the religion of which it is a part. The scientific method is one of the greatest parts of science for making it a religion. Why? Because science theories are part of the scientific method, and we know that science theories are not fact, just like you have been saying about the other religions.

^^^ Religion is the only reason why science is done at all. If people absolutely knew what the absolute future was going to be, they wouldn't need science, except to fulfill what they already knew. Since people don't know the future, science is only proving to be their religion for themselves.

Noone. Next question.

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Unfortunately for you, your argument is dull...
It's time to stop.

The American people have a love-hate relationship with their government. This is as it should be, primarily because government is not our God. Easter Sunday seems an opportune time to remember this and renew our commitment to a republic under God rather than one that displaces or subjugates the creator.



James Madison Had It Right
In 1785 James Madison wrote, “The essence of Government is power; and power, lodged as it must be in human hands, will ever be liable to abuse.” Born in King George County, Virginia in 1751, Madison’s words seem prescient when applied to our day and time. Often referred to as the “Father of the Constitution,” Madison rightly expressed caution and concern for the power that government can assert over its people. It could be said that this quote of his captures the principle difference between the political left and right in America today. Ronald Reagan echoed Madison’s fear when he asserted that “government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”

The Bible speaks of power this way. In Matthew 22:29 Jesus said, “Your mistake is that you don’t know the Scriptures, and you don’t know the power of God.” Real power rests with the creator and not His creation (Job 38-42), and certainly not in the governments of any era which, after all, are appointed by God (Daniel 2:21). Thus true power cannot be attained by governments; it rests with One who will not abuse it (Psalm 86:5).



Ayn Rand’s Pithy Pointers
The mother of objectivism, Ayn Rand, penned yet another perceptive concept that demonstrates why government is not our God. And it cannot be said that Rand adhered to any sort of established religion. Yet the author of The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged was able to put her finger on a dilemma that has reared its head in 21st century America:

“We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force.”

An era of government tyranny does seem to be fast approaching if it has not already arrived, as many would argue that, indeed, it has. When people labor under such laws as to which straws they are permitted to use and a tax code that is 60,000 pages – an estimated seven times the length of the Bible – one can safely say that the hand of tyranny is upon us, pushing its way into every aspect of our lives.

Thus, individual liberty and freedom suffer under myriad regulations that are tantamount to oppression. Step out your door, get in your car, and head on down to the McDonald’s drive-thru; you will likely be violating one law or another. Yes, government can be suffocating, which again shows us that it cannot and should not be our God.

In contrast, Paul wrote in his epistle to the Galatians: “So Christ has truly set us free. Now make sure that you stay free, and don’t get tied up again in slavery to the law.” Of course, Paul was talking about the religious laws of the day, and some non-Christian enthusiasts may counter this with the verse where Jesus says,  “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s,” (Mark 12:17, KJV), but they would be reminded to read the second part of this verse, which adds “and give to God what belongs to God” (NLT). Even a tyrannical government does not own its people,  though some have tried to sell this assertion to their people.

Milton Friedman Puts Bounty In Perspective
Economist and Nobel prize winner Milton Friedman said: “If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in 5 years there’d be a shortage of sand.” Here we recognize how tyrannical governments are effective in taking rather than giving to their people. While this comment is a bit satirical, as is often said, the truth is in the joke. The leftist politicians of our day are always “running out of” and “requesting more.” There is never enough money to do all the things we don’t want and always a desire to take from those who toil for what they own.

In contrast, Jesus said in John 10:10, “The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.” Professing Christians will attest to the fact that life under the power of God is one where their “cup runneth over” (Psalm 23:5, KJV) – not necessarily with earthly things, but The Things that Matter Most.

Is Easter calling you to throw off the yoke of an all-powerful, tyrannical government whose raison d’être is to rule, take, and enslave?

During the last supper, Jesus said the following to His disciples: “In this world the kings and great men lord it over their people, yet they are called ‘friends of the people.’ 26 But among you it will be different. Those who are the greatest among you should take the lowest rank, and the leader should be like a servant. 27 Who is more important, the one who sits at the table or the one who serves? The one who sits at the table, of course. But not here! For I am among you as one who serves.” (Luke 22:25)

And so today – Easter Sunday, 2019 –  may be a time to ask yourself a central question: Who would you rather reign over your life – the liberating, loving, and truly powerful presence of Jesus Christ, who showed humility and sacrificial love in His life, death, and resurrection. Or do you prefer to worship at the altar of a tyrannical government?

Simply put: Who is your God?

Yes indeed, fortunately for me I don't believe in imaginary beings.  

An Argument for God

Well, belief in imaginary beings is a mental illness too, you know?

All human beings are ill. The only difference lies in the severity of the illness. One man might suffer from occasionally feeling down another might be so depressed he cannot hold down a job. When the illness is severe we categorize it box it off and call it a disease but reality is a spectrum. So yes gays are ill so are all the heterosexuals. The severity of the overall illness will depend on the the individual. We don't always agree on what constitutes normal healthy variation and what behaviors are destructive. When a disagreement like that arises its is the result of ignorance a failure of one party or often both to accurately assess the the reality of the situation.

Discrimination is always an evil for every individual deserves to be evaluated on their own merits not based on arbitrary groupings. However, occasionally discrimination is an unavoidable evil due to imperfect human knowledge and society. Take pedophiles for example. Even after they have completed their jail terms and paid their debts to society we don't let them live near elementary schools. We know that the rate of repeat offenders among individuals with that particular illness is high and have no way of knowing with certainly who will fall back into crime so we discriminate against them all to protect innocent children. Is that ideal no the ideal would be certain knowledge that the offender was cured or not but we don't have that.

When you deny reality and demand others not challenge that denial there are always going to be consequences. That is what you are really aiming for here with your "equality law" for gender dysphoric individuals. In addition to being a potential tool to attack religious freedom it would also discriminate against biological women. It would destroy women sport a process that is already well underway in liberal parts of the country. You should watch the video of the 16 year old teenage athlete in the following story. Denial of reality is insanity. If you claim to ground your worldview in science af_newbie you should acknowledge that.

https://www.breitbart.com/sports/2019/04/21/female-athlete-speaks-out-against-transgender-equality-act/

The answer to how to deal with human illness is found in the New Testament as so many words of wisdom are. We should treat each human life as inherently and innately valuable regardless of any disease it may suffer from. Each human being is a precious and child of God and deserving of the dignity and respect that status accords. We should also treat each of our fellow brothers and sisters as we would want to be treated if we stood in their shoes.

Matthew 22:36-40
“Teacher, what is the most important commandment in the Law?”
Jesus answered:
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind. This is the first and most important commandment. The second most important commandment is like this one. And it is, “Love others as much as you love yourself.” All the Law of Moses and the Books of the Prophets are based on these two commandments."

If we follow that approach any errors we make will be those of ignorance not intent. I may for example try to help the drug addict by getting him into treatment before he is ready and push him away when what he really needs is to be left alone and hit rock bottom first before he is ready to quit but that is an error of ignorance my not knowing the best way to help him. As we grow in knowledge as individuals and as a species errors of ignorance will decline if our intent remains pure.

You should certainly not refuse to help an individual suffering from gender dysphoria if you can just as you should help an atheists or someone suffering from autism or down syndrome. In fact it is our duty to try and help those individuals. That is what I am doing right now. I am trying to help you. Writing this post is certainly not a profitable use of my time. As unpleasant as it may be helping someone sometimes requires us to highlight the error in their false beliefs.  

To be fair, gender dysphoria might be a disease, there is science that says so, however if we are talking only on discrimination, then no, obviously no one should discriminate other people even if it's a mental illness, actually because it might be a mental illness, they shouldn't be discriminated ever at all costs, you are not supposed to mock mentally ill people.

Gays are ill?

I think you are ill, but I repeat myself.

You don't know how I feel? I feel we should live in a society were all members of society are protected (under the law) and are free from discrimination (that includes you btw).  If they are not, it is our duty as good people to change the law so they are protected.

Even if trans are mentally ill (which I don't think they are) you should not refuse them your service, just like (I hope) you would not refuse your service to people who are Atheists or suffer from Autism or Down Syndrome.  

That is how I feel on this issue.

Regarding any religious mythologies, you know my position.  I view them as an ancient, cultural tradition, a political relic that has no place in a progressive society driven by science, medicine, engineering, and technology.