Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 13. (Read 901357 times)

Ignorant points.

All people die. Or do you know of someone who is 200 years old, and still wildly young? The differences are how old they are when they die, and everything else when comparing people... like the different locations they hold in space, and the different atoms that make up their respective bodies.

The point is that God provides salvation in simply understanding that Jesus removed the curse of death. There will be a resurrection. If you say there won't be a resurrection, how do you know? After all, life the first time is impossible, except that it is here. So, if impossible life can miraculously happen once, why would you think it can't be brought about a second time?

Turn while you have the chance, and accept the salvation offered. But if you won't accept, it isn't because you didn't know. Rather, it's because you made your choice.

Awful argument. First it talks about babies dying from horrible diseases and then proceeds to say there is evil in all of us and that's why god can't get rid of evil because he would have to wipe humanity. However, a baby is not evil and has done nothing, he/she didn't even have time to do anything and yet they still die for absolutely no reason of horrible diseases, suffering.

Another important flaw in your argument that we would be ''slaves'' is the FACT that god himself already wiped the whole humanity once, remember? With the flood? I'm not sure your brain functions correctly mate.

Yes he could have but then we would be slaves.

Why Does God Allow Evil?

I don't see any difference between Christian and Satanist symbolism.  They both deal with blood, murder and human sacrifice.

They are equally insane, IMHO.

I don't agree with any of their tenets they are flawed. I agree with what I wrote immediately above which might sound superficially similar to their tenants to a non discerning reader but if you look closely you will see they are different each and every one.

Symbolism is important. It's carries meaning both purpose and principle. That is why the rituals of Christianity matter they are important. It is also why the rituals of the Satanist matter.

I believe evil exists as objective reality. How you want to envision that evil and reduce it to a form the human mind can grasp is up to you.

The problem with your argument is that ignores god. God is all knowing and powerful, there was never any ''need'' of any of those laws, god could have made moral laws from the beginning and there would have been no ''primitive'' civilizations at all since they all of them would have followed God's rules, was it really that hard?

I can see why rules must be in place to limit infidelity and preserve the stability of the family unit and ultimately society at large. I can see why the options for such rules in primitive tribal time would be very limited.

I can also see the logic in establishing the precedent that drawing closer to God entails increasing perfection. Perfection in thought, perfection in action, and ultimately perfection in form.

So yes I think those passages were a logical means of stabilizing early societies and leading towards long term prosperity. Do I think we should execute people via stoning or forbid the very sick and deformed from entering churches today of course not. 

(Deuteronomy 22: 20-21)
or
(Leviticus 21:18-21)

You honestly think they are better or logical at all?

You agree with their tenets, why don't you call yourself Satanist?  You do believe that Satan/Baphomet exists, don't you?

Do you prefer Christian mass theatrics?  You know, cracker turning literally into the body of Christ and wine into the blood of Christ, all at once in all churches across the US, every Sunday.  Is that why you are a Christian?

The Devil as they say is in the details. The most dangerous lies mix truth and falsehood. I lack the time or desire to go into a point by point refutation of these but perhaps the following will enable a quick understanding of my thoughts.

Satanic Temple tenets fixed by CoinCube
1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures.
2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit.
3. One's body is inviolable from the moment of conception.
4. The freedoms of others should be respected unless they unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another.
5. We should take care to ensure that our beliefs conform to reality. Scientific observation and theory is a powerful formalized tool that helps us achieve this.
6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we have an obligation to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought.

There is no logical way to go from the above tenants to:

“And despite the fact that they claim that they “don’t worship Satan”, the group does celebrate the black mass, it does conduct Pentagram rituals, and it does seek to put statues of Baphomet up in prominent public locations.”

You agree with their tenets, why don't you call yourself Satanist?  You do believe that Satan/Baphomet exists, don't you?

Do you prefer Christian mass theatrics?  You know, cracker turning literally into the body of Christ and wine into the blood of Christ, all at once in all churches across the US, every Sunday.  Is that why you are a Christian?

The Devil as they say is in the details. The most dangerous lies mix truth and falsehood. I lack the time or desire to go into a point by point refutation of these but perhaps the following will enable a quick understanding of my thoughts.

Satanic Temple tenets fixed by CoinCube
1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures.
2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit.
3. One's body is inviolable from the moment of conception.
4. The freedoms of others should be respected unless they unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another.
5. We should take care to ensure that our beliefs conform to reality. Scientific observation and theory is a powerful formalized tool that helps us achieve this.
6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we have an obligation to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought.

There is no logical way to go from the above tenants to:

“And despite the fact that they claim that they “don’t worship Satan”, the group does celebrate the black mass, it does conduct Pentagram rituals, and it does seek to put statues of Baphomet up in prominent public locations.”

So I see 2 threads of why islam hates people or why people hate Islam. I dont see the point of such a mundane debate based on religion any debate for or against religion would be stupid. Either you are stupid to believe what a prophet / god / divine entity said or you are stupid enough to believe you can change the minds of the bleak minded people who follow such a prophet / god / divine entity.

But since its fun let me initiate my own brand of 'why do' topic.

WHY DO ATHEISTS (like me) HATE RELIGION ?

Seriously what has to happen in a person's life for them to seriously give up hope on the one true everlasting brand (of religion) which their ancestors have followed for generations.

Everyone has their own story even I have mine, so lets hear some of it.

Which if their seven tenets do you personally disagree with?

The Satanic Temple has seven fundamental tenets:

1. One should strive to act with compassion and empathy towards all creatures in accordance with reason.
2. The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.
3. One's body is inviolable, subject to one's own will alone.
4. The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo your own.
5. Beliefs should conform to our best scientific understanding of the world. We should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit our beliefs.
6. People are fallible. If we make a mistake, we should do our best to rectify it and resolve any harm that may have been caused.
7. Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Temple

I disagree with economic egalitarianism, everything else looks good to me (maybe 2 is a bit radical, first change the laws, don't go over them).

The Satanic Temple is the perfect religion for progressives.  You can believe anything you want, as long as you hate what Donald Trump, Christians and conservatives believe.  Unlike the Church of Satan, the Satanic Temple doesn’t even believe in a supernatural entity called Satan.  Instead, they celebrate Satan as “the ultimate rebel”, and they relish in using the symbol of Satan to greatly upset Christians.  The Satanic Temple was founded in 2013, and from the very beginning it was clear that they were primarily a political movement.  In fact, they openly tell prospective members that the only real requirement for joining is to believe “in the political and secular actions” of the group…



“If there’s a local chapter where you are, to join you do have to be accepted, but there’s no initiation or anything. You don’t even have to be a Satanist, you can just be a strong ally who believes in the political and secular actionswithout being super stoked about all the aesthetic aspects.”

Previously, Satanism in America had always been a shadowy underground movement, but the Satanic Temple has changed all that.

Instead of avoiding the public eye, they believe that their rebellion against conservatives and Christians “requires a level of political participation”…

'black metal music, but with the Satanic philosophy being where Satanism represents rebellion against arbitrary authority, we believe it requires a level of political participation. I think that we need to go into the public sphere and announce ourselves without shame.’

The organization grew rapidly after it was founded, but if Hillary Clinton had won the 2016 election that probably would have put a damper on their political activism.

But once Donald Trump won the election, interest in the group absolutely exploded…

“The Satanic Temple attracted ‘thousands’ of new members in just the first 36 hours after the election of Donald Trump,” the group reported. “The 4-year-old temple, which had a pre-Trump membership of around 50,000, has never before seen a spike in registration nearly this big.”

“We’re definitely a resistance movement,”spokesperson and co-founder Lucien Greaves said after a speech outside the University of Colorado Boulder. “We stand in stark opposition to this idea that we must unify under a single religious banner.”

Thanks to a favorable new documentary about the group, it is getting a lot of attention right now.

And even many leftists that have absolutely no intention of joining the Satanic Temple are saying very positive things about the organization.  For example, the following comes from a Huffington Post article entitled “Satan Is Having A Moment”…

"Satanists, it turns out, are everything you think they’re not: patriotic, charitable, ethical, equality-minded, dedicated to picking up litter with pitchforks on an Arizona highway.

That much is clear in the fantastic new documentary “Hail Satan?” — which chronicles the rise of the Satanic Temple, a movement that has little to do with its titular demon. Founded in 2013, the organization is equal parts modern-day religion, political activist coalition and meta cultural revolution. By reclaiming the pop iconography that has long frightened evangelical America ― devil worship, ritualistic sacrifice, horns, pentagrams, the so-called Black Mass ― the Satanic Temple aims to catch people’s attention and then surprise them with messages of free speech, compassion, liberty and justice for all."

Positive articles like that make members of the Satanic Temple sound like civic-minded do-gooders that just want to make a positive impact on society, but the truth is that they absolutely loathe everything that conservatives and Christians stand for.

They really hate President Trump, and they really, really hate Vice-President Pence.  Just consider what one of the co-founders of the Satanic Temple recently said about Pence…

“[President Trump] is too stupid to predict; the guy has no concept of his own limitations. The thing that makes me most comfortable with Trump is the fact that he has no vision. Mike Pence really scares me,” Lucien Greaves told The Daily Beast in an interview published on Wednesday. “Pence has a clear, theocratic vision for the United States.”

And despite the fact that they claim that they “don’t worship Satan”, the group does celebrate the black mass, it does conduct Pentagram rituals, and it does seek to put statues of Baphomet up in prominent public locations.

As the group continues to grow, their national influence undoubtedly will as well.

Perhaps it is appropriate that the Satanic Temple has gained such prominence.  In our society today, we are literally locked in a battle of good vs. evil for the future of our nation, and it seems quite fitting that Satan has become a key symbol for the other side.

To me, the Satanic Temple is more than just a little bit hypocritical.  They claim to not believe in any supernatural entities, and yet they were just granted tax-exempt status “as a church” by the Internal Revenue Service…

"The Satanic Temple has been officially recognized as a church by the Internal Revenue Service, three months after taking Sundance by storm as the subject of the documentary “Hail Satan?” According to an announcement from “Hail Satan?” distributor Magnolia Pictures, the temple is now eligible for the tax-exempt status given to other religious institutions."

Either they are a “faith” or they are not.

Unfortunately, I have a feeling that there is a lot more to the Satanic Temple than meets the eye.

Just like their hero, the leaders of the Satanic Temple appear to be experts in deception, and they are leading thousands upon thousands of people down a very dark path.

''accept the fact'' and it is a fact because you say so? Are you a god or something? If you say something is a fact, it's a fact?