Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 157. (Read 901514 times)

So you think that everything he (allegedly) did (including flooding people, drowning innocent children to death, genocides, etc.) would be justifiable?

What race are you? You are of a race that would rather accept lies than the truth.

Of course we all have different DNA. That isn't what I said. Look it up. We all have almost exactly the same DNA. The differences are in a fraction of 1% of the DNA. Even lizards and fish and insects and microbes have less than 5% different DNA than people do.

Lots of people think that the O.T. didn't apply before Jesus came to earth, to say nothing about after. However, certain aspects of the O.T. will always apply to all people.


God made people. God is infinitely more important than people. People are His property. He has the right.

Rather than use the right, God allowed His son, Jesus, to die on the cross, to take the punishment for all people, so that all people have the chance to be forgiven, go to Heaven and live forever. Can God help it if some people won't accept His salvation for them? Better to kill them while they are young, so they won't have as many sins to be punished for in the eternal Hell where they are going anyway.


Except that your daughter is more God's than she is yours. In addition, the O.T. moral laws that God placed there apply to everyone. They apply to you. Let God judge when your daughter is supposed to die.



I don't say that at all.

First, those things are taken out of context. They are a goodness for the people who were living back then.

God never changes. All the love, anger, mercy and grace He has always had still exist, and always will. It is people who change. And by their changes, they essentially activate whichever aspect of God.

The O.T. writings were for the nation of ancient Israel, because Jesus, the Messiah, came through them to bring salvation to everybody. Ancient Israel had to do it just the way the laws told them, so that they could be a light for the nations, so that the nations could understand about Jesus when He came. The sad thing is that Israel doesn't recognize Jesus.

You are very mistaken in the things you are thinking and writing.

"And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the lord was kindled against Israel. And the lord said unto Moses, 'Take all the heads of the people and hang them up before the lord against the sun, that the fierce anger of the lord may be turned away from Israel.'" (Numbers 25:3-4)

Isn't this lord the same lord you worship? Or at some point the first one resigned?

Sorry, I disagree. I am tired of this thing that the old testament doesn't apply anymore after jesus came to earth. In the old testament times, god killed himself millions of human beings (and billions of animals), simply because they didn't do what he wanted. If we have to see god as a moral example, I should kill my daughter 20 times a day.

All the examples given above are either things that god asked or that he accepted and din't see as sins.

Now, if you say that at some point in time he realised that he was a bit bully and changed his (or her?) mind, made a new alliance with the mankind, by sending his son (who is also himself) and having him killed (a sort of suicide then)...ok. But still he is the same god that commanded (or allowed) all those things that happened before.

Well, isn't it the truth that nobody is the same, but everybody is the same? Take a healthy black person and a healthy white person. Both have almost exactly the same genetic materials. It's just that some genes are slightly more or less active in each of them. The difference in the active genes between the two is only a fraction of 1% of the genetic materials.

Why are you trying to stereotype me when I tell the truth? Is the truth too much for your race?

That's called stereotyping, racism, and bias, Dude.  Why so much DISRESPECT and PREJUDICE from this "Man of God?"

Old Testament governmental and ceremonial laws in the Bible were for ancient Israel. They are still for anyone who wants to follow them by choice.

The ancient Israel ceremonial laws existed to foreshadow the coming of Jesus, the Messiah. This is explained in the N.T. book of Hebrews. Since Jesus did the work that the ceremonial laws were referring to, these laws are no longer needed.

Certainly, the O.T. governmental laws are not for people of the various nations. They are, however, the best governmental laws that can exist. So, it would be nice if they were practiced. But even modern Israel doesn't practice them.

The moral laws - don't harm anybody, and don't damage his property - are similar to the English Common Law, and American Common Law. You can find common law written down in Bouvier's "Maxims of Law" - http://www.lawfulpath.com/ref/bouvier/maxims.shtml.

The reason to read the N.T. 4 times as much as the O.T. is because the O.T. will draw a person into despair because of all the wicked things that ancient Israel did, and how God punished them for it. We need the N.T. to constantly remind us that we are forgiven and saved. Yet we DO need the O.T. so that we are reminded of many of the good things... moral laws, methods of praising God, wisdom of Solomon and others.

Atheists who suggest strongly that atheism is NOT a religion hate themselves, because all people are religious creatures at heart.

See!? You have a personal religion of hate. So there are hateful religions out there, after all.

Man create fire in Bic lighter. No invention of nature... not directly that is.

Come on. Reality isn't that bad. Wake up and smell the coffee, and reality at the same time.

Lightning never strikes a tree by pure chance. Nor is it pure chance that people see it. There are countless actions and reactions, causes and effects going on that cause the lightening to strike the tree, and cause the people to see it. Nothing is done by chance.

This is wonderful! Ambulances and hospitals should ban religious people, why would they need them?

Could you explain why one should read the new testament 4 time for every reading of the old?
Is it because if you want to base your morality on the bible (and the old testament in particular), we would go around:
 
stoning women to death (Deuteronomy 22:13-21)
stoning children to death (Deuteronomy 21:18-21)
stoning people who work on Sunday (Numbers 15:32-56)
killing gays (Romans 1:27 and Leviticus 20:13)... but strangely enough not lesbians (because god is a lovely chap)
Killing men who masturbate (Genesis 38:6-10)... but strangely enough not women, they can rub it 
practising ethnic cleansing (Exodus 34:11-14, Leviticus 26:7-9)
committing genocides (Numbers 21: 2-3, Numbers 21:33–35, Deuteronomy 2:26–35, and Joshua 1–12)
killing people because we suspect they are witches (Exodus 22:18)
not touching our girlfriends if they have their period (Lev. 15:19–24)
selling our daughters as slaves (Exodus 21:7)...
...because you know, slavery is ok (Leviticus 25:44)
drowning people (Genesis 7:21-23)
killing our enemies and raping their women (Numbers 31:7-18)
killing who disagree with us on religion (Leviticus 24:16)
killing cheaters (Leviticus 20:10)
killing women who get remarried (Deuteronomy 22:13-14,20-21)
allowing our daughters to be sexually assaulted by multiple rapists (Genesis 19:8 and Judges 19:16-30)...
...and after that she has to marry her rapist (Deuteronomy 22:28-29)
chopping women's hands off if they touch another man's testicles (Deuteronomy 25:11) - even if it was to defend us
kicking out of churches people who have lost their testicles (Deuteronomy 23:1), doesn't matter if they had cancer or whatever
not eating shellfish and pig, camel, rock badger, rabbit, eagle, vulture, buzzard, falcon, raven, crow, ostrich, owl, seagull, hawk, pelican, stork, heron, bat, winged insects that walk on four legs unless they have joints to jump with like grasshoppers (?), bear, mole, mouse, lizard, gecko, crocodile, chameleon and snail (Leviticus 11).

And then you say that atheist "hate"? The whole bible is a big genocide!




 

I don't hate religion...

I only hate stupid people...

It's not my fault that most religious people are stupid too

You're right. But isn't it similar? If you used to discover mathematics or fire then it means you created it? Like for example I use to discover a vaccine that can cure cancer then I created it.

There are some things that anybody can speak for all people. Why? Because all people are essentially the same. In fact, all life is only different in 3% to 5% of its genetics. People are only different in a small fraction of 1% of their genetics. Some things fit all people.

One of the ways that people are all the same is the fact that they all have religion. You can see this when you do a thorough study on the definition of "religion."

This means that people who say that they have no religion, simply have a religion of non-religion. This means that they have religion, and their religion is essentially a self-hate religion, because they actually hate religion, a thing that they are made of.


I can't feel rejected in this way. Why not? Because the non-religious people all have a religion of non-religion.

I sympathize FOR them (not with them) just like I sympathize for some African that has malaria, or some American going through chemo for cancer, when they could so easily make a few changes in life and be healed.



As for sharing faith, I don't know what you mean. Read the Bible for an hour each day. Start at the beginning and read to the end. Read the New Testament 4 times for every reading of the Old Testament. Do this every day for the rest of your life. If you live for 20 more years, you will come to faith.

This whole bloody thread has a faulty premise to begin with.

@BADecker thinks he can speak for ALL Atheists, in their incredible diversity, and I personally doubt if all of them "hate" religion.

They have rejected it, @BADecker, do you feel rejected?

Why won't you share YOUR AMAZING faith?  Everyone else here has.

I thought you wanted to enlighten all of us.