Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 235. (Read 901367 times)

Haven't we just been talking about the illegality of murder? Why do you ask such silly things? Even though my children are mine and my wife's as property, they are God's, as well, because He gives the kids their spirit.

How long will you continue to twist understanding all out of shape?



There God goes again. He hardens your heart. Why? Because you essentially asked Him to, simply by your thinking and actions. You saw where it got Pharaoh. But you keep right on asking for God to do it to you, just like Pharaoh did.

You should feel relieved that God isn't trying to set up a nation of Israel next to you. He just might have to rain some plagues down on you to show His glory to His people Israel. If that happened, you might forget all the many previous chances God gave you, simply because of the pain of the plagues. Rather, God is merciful towards you, calling to you, a lost (almost lost?) child, hoping for your salvation before it is too late for you.

So you condone murdering your own children for any reason?  How could you claim that to be moral?


I would advise you to read the Exodus from Egypt...

Does God give Pharaoh many chances?  NO! You didn't actually read it did you?

According to scripture, Pharaoh was ready to let the Israelites go after Moses asked the first time, but "God hardened Pharaoh's heart" each time so he could send plague after plague at him... Eventually murdering the firstborn child of every Egyptian citizen, servant and animal

Basically God is punishing the Egyptians for a non-sin... because Pharaoh wanted to let them go, until God stopped him by hardening his heart...

wtf is that about?  God sounds like a real asshat in this story too...

First of all, God isn't a murder. Why not? God owns everything. So, even if He takes life away, He was the One Who gave it in the first place. It is His by right, to do with as He pleases.

Second, God does not take life away where mankind has not thrown it away already. In fact, it is through Jesus God that mankind has life on earth the second time. The first time mankind threw it away through the sin of Adam and Eve. God forgave them, and granted life to them so that you and I and all the rest of the people can have life.

How many opportunities does God give? Many. Every time a person thwarts and attempts to thwart the laws that God has set in place, and the person does not immediately die from doing so, God has saved the person for another day, and given him/her some more chances.

In the Old Testament, when people of nations turned away from God and were destroyed by Israel or God Himself, the idea was to make Israel strong so that Jesus could come at the right time to do His saving work. Without the saving work of Jesus, those nations would have not existed in the first place, would not have had a chance to live, and would not have had the chance to be saved. Their destruction was a thing that they were asking for by their actions against God. He was simply giving them what they asked for, and preparing the Jesus-way so that they could have life in the first place.

The point of all this is the example for you and all people. Are we going to be like the nations God destroyed? Or are we going to be like the people He saves?

Notice that all people, both godly and ungodly, die. The whole idea has to do with the salvation to eternal life. The second thing it has to do with is the avoidance of eternal damnation.

Your chances may not be over yet. You may not be locked into unbelief yet. Turn while you have a chance, before you lock yourself into damnation through your death in this life. Once you die, you have no more chance to be saved, because you have no more ability to turn and believe in Jesus salvation.

Even if you happened to be right regarding your honor, that you would not follow a God who was a murderer. What does it matter? You are still stupidly clinging to your eternal damnation for the sake of honor? Is it worth it for what you consider to be honor? On top of it, is it worth it in light of the fact that it might not be honor at all, but that you might be mistaken about what is honorable?

God created all. God sustains all. Mankind causes his own death by rejecting God, the only Sustainer of life.

You can answer questions: you proved that.

How do you reach Wisdom and Science without the Lord?


Best regards.

If I believed in מלך, I would not be an Atheist, would I?

Why would you believe in the Christian God?  He's a murderer! He also commands his followers to murder nearly everyone...

According to the bible, God personally murders:
The world with a flood (20 million?)
Sodom and Gammorah (50k?)
The firstborn son of every Egyptian (100k?) (Exodus 11:5)
The Egyptian army (a lot of soldiers)
The Assyrians (185,000) (2 Kings 19:35)
Isrealites (500,000+) (Numbers 16:49, Numbers 25:9, Deuteronomy 2:14-16, 1 Samuel 6:19, 2 Samuel 24)
...and many more...

God orders the Israelites to murder:
All the men, women and children in 60 cities (60 cities?!?) (Deuteronomy 3:6)
The Midianites (Numbers 31:17)
Jericho (Joshua 6:21)
The Cananites (Judges 1:4)
The Moabites (Judges 3:28)
...and many more...



Satan murders:
Sarah (1)
Job's wife, children, and servants (a dozen?) (this was completely condoned by God)
...and that's the complete list...

According to the bible, Satan kills a baker's dozen, while God kills by the millions...
God orders the Israelites to murder by the hundreds of thousands, committing genocide over a dozen times!... completely wiping out civilizations!

Quoting myself:

Do you believe the Molech?


Best regards.

Without religion and "The Dark Ages", we would be 300+ years more advanced in terms of science and technology...  religion destroys science, murders scientists... religions burned the Library of Alexandria... not once, not twice, but THREE TIMES!

How do you reach Wisdom and Science without the Lord?


Best regards.

I love wisdom and science, which is why I oppose religion.  Faith is the antithesis of wisdom and science.

Religion requires belief without evidence, and without critical thinking...

Science promotes evidence based belief... and not just any evidence either, it must be 1) substantiated via experimentation, 2) repeatable and independently verified by multiple scientists, 3) withstand the scrutiny of the peer review process, 4) persist and stand the test of time

Religious beliefs/evidence do not do meet the criteria used by science


Why not?  I like to assess a situation from all sides before making a decision for my soul...

Did you believe the first religion that came along? (I assume the religion of your parents as most people)
Do you know a single aspect of Islam, Hinduism or Buddhism besides 'they evil heathens'?
What if Christianity is wrong, and the Hindus chose the correct religion?

Have you even read the bible?  I have read the bible, and that is the main reason I am an atheist...  no God would ever write that book, or condone the behavior in it.


I came across it playing a MUD on a BBS around 20 years ago, and it looked cool, so I started using it...

God is a Spirit. He doesn't pick up pen and paper, and write.

Rather, God infused the minds and spirits of certain people who believed in Him, with the words that He wanted written. Then they wrote as He directed.

Bible claims are not incorrect. Often the understanding of people is backwards enough that they don't understand the claims of the Bible correctly.

Just because a Christian doesn't understand everything in the Bible, doesn't make him a non-Christian. As long as he believes that Jesus has forgiven him for his mistakes, he is forgiven and saved.

You have not thought about the glory of God deeply, what it is and how it works. You have not thought about what praise of God really is, or how (in the case of praising God) the praise raises the people doing the praising up towards the level of Godness.

Then you can quote the best that there is to quote.


In America, a child is the property of his parents.

In ancient Israel, the best laws of the day in the whole world abounded.


Not rape. She accepted his seduction. Voluntarily.

The command is to the man. The woman already accepted him. Now he needs to keep his part of the seduction agreement.


This is an Old Testament command to the nation of Israel. Note that the passage, itself, doesn't state who is to do the destroying. Destruction happens to all who will not worship the God of the ancient Israelites.



This was a great plan. Killing all the people who were against God was a great form of praise and worship. Marrying the virgins helped to keep in-breeding from happening, at the same time that the Israel men remained righteous by not killing a man and then stealing his wife.

To You (atheists): when you don't pick a side that's what you will receive.

Are you happy about being the catalyzer of all this bad "people"?


Best regards.

Let's not even mention the fact that playing by the rules God supposedly created himself, he is destined to get fewer souls than Satan...

Only around 30% of the world is Christian (even counting Mormons, etc)... If God gets <50% of the souls, he loses the game to Satan...  Why would he create and play such a game?

Why you put yourself in God's shoes?

Are you not able to live like a man?


Best regards.

Where did you get that idea?  It makes zero sense...

Just think about it... I know it's difficult, but try to put yourself in God's shoes for 2 seconds...

You are God... you are all-powerful... what do you do?  Create a universe for the sole purpose of having these little ants worship you?  Nope... that's not it...

Ok, no more playing God, you are back to yourself again... Would you create an ant-farm and try to convince them to worship you?  Would you be super happy if a few of them did worship you?  Does any of this make sense?

you are kinda wrong because  you can pray whereever you want in islam..

God didn't write the bible, Christians stopped believing that ages ago (because some claims are provably incorrect in the bible)... so nowadays, it's only "divinely inspired, but written by men"

Can you answer questions?


Best regards.

I can quote the bible too:

"If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her." Exodus 21:7

"Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property." Exodus 21:20

"If a man seduces a virgin who is not pledged to be married and sleeps with her, he must pay the bride-price, and she shall be his wife." Exodus 22:16
(This is a great law for any rapist who wants to marry his rape victim... not so fun for the woman who is required to marry her rapist)

"Whoever sacrifices to any god other than the Lord must be destroyed" Exodus 22:20
(better start killing those other religions... God commands you to!)

"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man." Numbers 31:17-18
(kill all the men, but keep the virgins as your property... now that's a plan!)