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December 23, 2015, 12:20:24 PM
It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.
You are sensationalizing stuff.There is a big difference between believing/following something and thinking to hate something.
Hating something has got nothing to with the community or following something that is assumed to be better than human's in every aspect.

You don't like the way I play with BitNow? Party pooper.

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Bitnow doesn't seems to be old enough and i don't know what gives him the confidence that his religion is the righteous one.
There are more gods than human's and all are meant to be worshiped ?

We play with kids. I play with BitNow.

There are more lower case "g" gods than what ever. But there is only one God. See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13337453 above.

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Sadly you are believing the same concept of the guy whom you consider as a child/kid. There is no difference between any capital 'G' gods or lowe case 'g' gods.
and how can one ignore something which doesn't exists ?

There you go, making a religion for yourself. Since the existence of God is a fact, you are attempting to believe a fiction.

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December 23, 2015, 12:16:03 PM
It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.
You are sensationalizing stuff.There is a big difference between believing/following something and thinking to hate something.
Hating something has got nothing to with the community or following something that is assumed to be better than human's in every aspect.

You don't like the way I play with BitNow? Party pooper.

 Cheesy
Bitnow doesn't seems to be old enough and i don't know what gives him the confidence that his religion is the righteous one.
There are more gods than human's and all are meant to be worshiped ?

We play with kids. I play with BitNow.

There are more lower case "g" gods than what ever. But there is only one God. See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13337453 above.

Smiley
Sadly you are believing the same concept of the guy whom you consider as a child/kid. There is no difference between any capital 'G' gods or lowe case 'g' gods.
and how can one ignore something which doesn't exists ?
legendary
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December 23, 2015, 12:03:52 PM
Well I don't hate religion and I am atheists I am find with it.
Some time I think that god exist so yeah. And who care don't mind those people who hate.

This is a good start. After all, atheism is, or at least is so similar to, religion that it is called religion by many. Recognizing that you are in a religion if you are an atheist, is a start towards seeing the truth of the existence of God.

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December 23, 2015, 11:59:41 AM
It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.
You are sensationalizing stuff.There is a big difference between believing/following something and thinking to hate something.
Hating something has got nothing to with the community or following something that is assumed to be better than human's in every aspect.

You don't like the way I play with BitNow? Party pooper.

 Cheesy
Bitnow doesn't seems to be old enough and i don't know what gives him the confidence that his religion is the righteous one.
There are more gods than human's and all are meant to be worshiped ?

We play with kids. I play with BitNow.

There are more lower case "g" gods than what ever. But there is only one God. See https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13337453 above.

Smiley
legendary
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December 23, 2015, 11:57:57 AM
I started to read this thread, but it's very long, and it seems to be based on the belief that agnostics are atheists. This is not true.

Yes it is.

Agnosticism is the lack of Faith in God.
You can be soooo dense at times. All you have to do is look them both up in the dictionary to see that they are different.

Besides, Jet Cash was talking about the difference between them... not the similarity. You can be such a child at times.


They both don't have faith in God... so: same category.


Best regards.

But, sameness wasn't what Jet Cash was talking about. He was talking about their differences. Because they are different, and because this topic is about atheism and religion, what does agnosticism have to do with it? You are always the one who wants to stay on topic.

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December 23, 2015, 11:55:54 AM
Well I don't hate religion and I am atheists I am find with it.
Some time I think that god exist so yeah. And who care don't mind those people who hate.
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December 23, 2015, 11:53:47 AM
It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.
You are sensationalizing stuff.There is a big difference between believing/following something and thinking to hate something.
Hating something has got nothing to with the community or following something that is assumed to be better than human's in every aspect.

You don't like the way I play with BitNow? Party pooper.

 Cheesy
Bitnow doesn't seems to be old enough and i don't know what gives him the confidence that his religion is the righteous one.
There are more gods than human's and all are meant to be worshiped ?
legendary
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December 23, 2015, 11:47:04 AM
It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.
You are sensationalizing stuff.There is a big difference between believing/following something and thinking to hate something.
Hating something has got nothing to with the community or following something that is assumed to be better than human's in every aspect.

You don't like the way I play with BitNow? Party pooper.

 Cheesy
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December 23, 2015, 11:45:41 AM

Ok so im obviously too stupid to put together those 3 concepts that you have posted because theres no way i can put those together and come up with that meaning god, And im blind as well because i certainly cant see god in nature.The reason i dont see what you see is because my mind is not poisoned with religion as yours clearly is.

I suppose im lucky we are only conversing over the internet because in another time or place im sure you would be happy to see me stoned or crucified for my complete and utter lack of faith.

Tell me, What would it take to convince you that your worshipping a false idol and there is in fact no god? Im going to assume it cant be done.

Okay, I'll help you. Because I'm not doing anything to you. You are doing it to yourself by ignoring God.

1. Cause and Effect.

Everything that we know in the universe operates by cause and effect. Everything that happens, happens because something, or many things cause it to happen the way it happens.

A pool/billiards shark might hit a ball that hits another, that hits a third, that hits a fourth, that hits the fifth into the pocket. If he does this knowingly, under complete control, he is a very good pool player.

Generally, a pool player might hit a ball, and who knows what will happen? Someone might call this random, but it isn't. It all operates by cause and effect. The difference is that a weak pool player doesn't know what he is doing. If he gets a ball into a pocket, the causes for that effect are unknown, or are at least unclear.

Atoms are pool balls in the universe. Over thousands of years they have been bumping into each other in ways that we would call random. They aren't random, however. Why not? Because according to the law of cause and effect, they are acting out the laws of the universe perfectly.

2. Universal Complexity.

Over the thousands of years, what have all these bumping "pool" atoms produced? they have produce complexity that is far beyond anything that we can imagine.

A super pool player might on occasion be able to foresee how he can hit one ball that will form a string of ball hits where the fifth one will go into a selected pocket. Nature has been doing this for thousands of years with untold trillions of causes that produce effects that are causes of other effects that produce the complexity of the brain and mind of mankind.

This means that whatever started the cause and effect action of the universe thousands of years ago, must have been smarter than the mind and brain of mankind. Why? Because there is no cause that we can begin to imagine, that is able to produce effects that produce something as great as the complexity of man.

Even the pool player can only go a few levels deep with something as simple as "a pocket" at the end. But the universe has been going untold trillions of levels deep with great complexity at the end.

3. Universal Entropy.

We don't see any cause clearly within the universe, that could have started all the complexity. Something must have started it, but we simply have not a clue as to what it is. The thing that we understand is that everything is trying to equalize among the space of the universe. Both energy and material are trying to disperse evenly throughout.

True, by the time all matter and energy have dispersed evenly throughout all space, at the current rate, untold amounts of time will have passed. And the thing that might even make it all take longer is, time itself might be trying to disperse in ways we don't understand.



The point is, there is something out there that could set up the great pool operation of the universe to extreme complexity even in the face of the forestalling forces of entropy. If there were no complexity like the brain and mind of man, we might say that whatever it might be is relatively unintelligent. But since there is complexity over thousands of years of cause and effect in the face of entropy, whatever it is, is way beyond the brain and mind of man to be able to do something like this. The definition of "God" applies.



My explanation is weak, because a book could be written. And, you can talk your way all around it if you want. But if you are sincere in your desire for understanding about this, consider it deeply. Because it essentially proves that God exists... even though it doesn't tell much about God without a whole lot more explanation of the things of the universe, and the way they apply to mankind.


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December 23, 2015, 11:38:19 AM
It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.
You are sensationalizing stuff.There is a big difference between believing/following something and thinking to hate something.
Hating something has got nothing to with the community or following something that is assumed to be better than human's in every aspect.
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December 23, 2015, 11:27:57 AM
I started to read this thread, but it's very long, and it seems to be based on the belief that agnostics are atheists. This is not true.

Yes it is.

Agnosticism is the lack of Faith in God.
You can be soooo dense at times. All you have to do is look them both up in the dictionary to see that they are different.

Besides, Jet Cash was talking about the difference between them... not the similarity. You can be such a child at times.



Ok so im obviously too stupid to put together those 3 concepts that you have posted because theres no way i can put those together and come up with that meaning god, And im blind as well because i certainly cant see god in nature.The reason i dont see what you see is because my mind is not poisoned with religion as yours clearly is.

I suppose im lucky we are only conversing over the internet because in another time or place im sure you would be happy to see me stoned or crucified for my complete and utter lack of faith.

Tell me, What would it take to convince you that your worshipping a false idol and there is in fact no god? Im going to assume it cant be done.

Why do you hate Religion?


Best regards.

It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.

 Cheesy

religion i dont really have that much of an issue with, I mean obviously i would rather people didnt rely on it as their source of comfort, im also aware that even if some alien race landed on earth and explained that all these religion were nonsense that every religion would have some way of explaining this. I wouild imagine demons would be the answer. anyway what i do hate is the things people do in the name of religion.
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December 23, 2015, 11:25:06 AM
Because people love to hate when is not the same.
Those atheists are just idiot for hating I don't know why people will just make the time to hate.
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December 23, 2015, 11:12:24 AM
I started to read this thread, but it's very long, and it seems to be based on the belief that agnostics are atheists. This is not true.

Yes it is.

Agnosticism is the lack of Faith in God.
You can be soooo dense at times. All you have to do is look them both up in the dictionary to see that they are different.

Besides, Jet Cash was talking about the difference between them... not the similarity. You can be such a child at times.


They both don't have faith in God... so: same category.


Best regards.
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December 23, 2015, 11:08:46 AM
I started to read this thread, but it's very long, and it seems to be based on the belief that agnostics are atheists. This is not true.

Yes it is.

Agnosticism is the lack of Faith in God.
You can be soooo dense at times. All you have to do is look them both up in the dictionary to see that they are different.

Besides, Jet Cash was talking about the difference between them... not the similarity. You can be such a child at times.



Ok so im obviously too stupid to put together those 3 concepts that you have posted because theres no way i can put those together and come up with that meaning god, And im blind as well because i certainly cant see god in nature.The reason i dont see what you see is because my mind is not poisoned with religion as yours clearly is.

I suppose im lucky we are only conversing over the internet because in another time or place im sure you would be happy to see me stoned or crucified for my complete and utter lack of faith.

Tell me, What would it take to convince you that your worshipping a false idol and there is in fact no god? Im going to assume it cant be done.

Why do you hate Religion?


Best regards.

It's kinda interesting how helloeverybody hates religion. He hates it religiously.

 Cheesy
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December 23, 2015, 10:26:36 AM

No, it is not cause if people were that skeptical then there wouldn't be any religions fucking around in 21st century.
you cannot chose any path if you don't have one and make it your believe that it's right.

Are you an atheist?


Best regards.

I have no religion,  only theories none of which include any gods.  And any theories I do have also arent beliefs, just could be 's.. My religion isn't atheism like many people in this thread are getting to push.

You quoted the message that was not directed to you.

Aside from that: Science (and hence theories) come from the Fear of God
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_God

How can you have theories if you have no God?


Best regards.

Apologies for the wrong quote,  I thought you had quoted me twice so just quoted the last one you made,  I didn't realise you asked the same question to two different people until you mentioned it.  So anyways, back to the question.

I can quote easily have theories without having a god because none of my theories contain any gods,  to me beleif in a God or gods is completely irrational,  someone earlier seemed to take that as me questioning their intelligence which obviously isn't the case.

For example , a theory I could  beleive if is when we die there is nothing,  the same as before we were born.  Thare is no god in this theory and obviously it's very hard to prove but to me a lot less ridiculous than some all powerful all knowing God.

For example , a theory I could  beleive if is when we die there is nothing,  the same as before we were born.  Thare is no god in this theory and obviously it's very hard to prove but to me a lot less ridiculous than some all powerful all knowing God.

Tell me, you were back from the death and you know that after we die there is nothing?

Okay, let me ask you a few question and if you really give me a good answer, then I will be sure that you are the only person who knows the things about religion and God...

1. Tell me, what is the meaning of the word God and is it have any connection to Alien or ET?
2. What is the difference between Supreme, Lord and Christ?
3. You mentioned religion, so I would like to ask you... What will be a definition for the word and how do you describe this people?

Now, lets get back to your theory that after death, there is nothing. I will share you a scientific research where people speak what they see after they back from the death:

1. Light
Most of the people who died, said they saw the famous "light at the end of the tunnel." It is the most common phenomenon that people have when they are technically dead.

2. They could see his body
Many people have this "out of body experience" and saw his lifeless body over them when they were technically dead. That means they were incorporeal spirit hovered over their body. They could not see everything that happens in the room and who's in it. Any attempt to renew the relationship between consciousness and the physical body will fail, leaving a person out of himself a few moments.

3. Guardian Angel
Many people claim to have seen at least one angel or spirit who watches and cares for them during a brief stop in the "death abyss." Some say that the spirit helped through the afterlife before being sent back to their body.

4. A visit from her mother
Many people say that they visited their mother through vision, while they were on their deathbed.

5. Saw deceased relatives
If you have a large family, get ready to see them in the afterlife. Many have died and returned back again in life, they say they saw their relatives died while stopped in the afterlife.

6. The life passing before their eyes
Prepare again to experience your best and worst moments. Many people see life before the eyes right before the coming of death, or even after you switch sides. See their achievements and their memories are appearing before his eyes as a slideshow of her life.

7. They could see and hear all
Many people told that they could see the people who were with them in the room and tried to contact them but could not respond because their body was lifeless and their spirit / consciousness remained awake. Any attempt to get in touch with the people around them in vain.

8. Peace
The majority of deaths that again revived, said they felt a sense of peace and tranquility. It was so powerful and beautiful feeling soul / mind did not know how to find it reassuring experience.

9. Do not want to return
According to numerous reports, the mortal experience is so calming and serene, so many people who have experienced did not want to return to waking life. Imagine how you feel something as well, so you do not want to go back in life that you fought very hard to maintain.

Sorry if there is some mistakes in the translations, because the text is on Macedonian. Smiley

Apologies for the late reply, i can answer your questions.

First off i dont know that theres nothing after death i just find the possibility that theres nothing at all as very plausible when comparing it to god type religions.

now

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1. Tell me, what is the meaning of the word God and is it have any connection to Alien or ET?
the meaning of god is some sort of supreme being that has power over everything. I do think aliens could have been perceived as gods back in the day but i dont think followers of religion would accept ET as their gods, and if ET was for example the god of the old testament then i wouldnt want that god as my god, the only reason to serve such a god would be because of fear of what would happen if you did not, hence i would be a god fearing person. Luckily thats not the case.

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2. What is the difference between Supreme, Lord and Christ?
To me these words dont hold much value , I mean i could tell you what the dictionary would say about these words but i don't think that's what your asking.

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3. You mentioned religion, so I would like to ask you... What will be a definition for the word and how do you describe this people?
I can give you the definitive definition for this
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the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.


As for NDE's , Its an interesting subject but many scientific tests have been carried out to disprove this, there are also not as many of these as you might expect and often accounts vary greatlly depending on the religion of the person having the NDE. Obviously when the body is under great stress ie dying, all kinds of endorphins are released by the body which can quite easily cause hallucinations.


For everyone else that is describing atheism/every human being as religious this is the oxford dictionary's official definition of religion.   


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religion
rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/
noun
noun: religion

    the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

no1 - wrong

God, Aline and ET are the same thing.

no2 - wrong

Supreme is a title only for one person, Lord is a title for person who is leading a group, example: you father is the Lord of your house, Christ is metaphor for the Light or the Holly Spirit.

no3 - wrong

Religion is group of people who is guided by one person. He teach them what to think!

NDE - Tell me, how can you talk about things that you never have experienced them?

Are you somehow reading between the lines of what i wrote? What i wrote about what a god is is the same as what you just said but somehow im wrong? the second one i said i could give the definition since its as simple as a quick google but the poster seemed to be looking for something other than the actual definition of each word. And as for the 3rd one, what you think is the definition and what is the actual definition are 2 different things.

how can i experience something that doesnt exist?
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December 23, 2015, 10:09:45 AM

No, it is not cause if people were that skeptical then there wouldn't be any religions fucking around in 21st century.
you cannot chose any path if you don't have one and make it your believe that it's right.

Are you an atheist?


Best regards.

I have no religion,  only theories none of which include any gods.  And any theories I do have also arent beliefs, just could be 's.. My religion isn't atheism like many people in this thread are getting to push.

You quoted the message that was not directed to you.

Aside from that: Science (and hence theories) come from the Fear of God
Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear_of_God

How can you have theories if you have no God?


Best regards.

Apologies for the wrong quote,  I thought you had quoted me twice so just quoted the last one you made,  I didn't realise you asked the same question to two different people until you mentioned it.  So anyways, back to the question.

I can quote easily have theories without having a god because none of my theories contain any gods,  to me beleif in a God or gods is completely irrational,  someone earlier seemed to take that as me questioning their intelligence which obviously isn't the case.

For example , a theory I could  beleive if is when we die there is nothing,  the same as before we were born.  Thare is no god in this theory and obviously it's very hard to prove but to me a lot less ridiculous than some all powerful all knowing God.

For example , a theory I could  beleive if is when we die there is nothing,  the same as before we were born.  Thare is no god in this theory and obviously it's very hard to prove but to me a lot less ridiculous than some all powerful all knowing God.

Tell me, you were back from the death and you know that after we die there is nothing?

Okay, let me ask you a few question and if you really give me a good answer, then I will be sure that you are the only person who knows the things about religion and God...

1. Tell me, what is the meaning of the word God and is it have any connection to Alien or ET?
2. What is the difference between Supreme, Lord and Christ?
3. You mentioned religion, so I would like to ask you... What will be a definition for the word and how do you describe this people?

Now, lets get back to your theory that after death, there is nothing. I will share you a scientific research where people speak what they see after they back from the death:

1. Light
Most of the people who died, said they saw the famous "light at the end of the tunnel." It is the most common phenomenon that people have when they are technically dead.

2. They could see his body
Many people have this "out of body experience" and saw his lifeless body over them when they were technically dead. That means they were incorporeal spirit hovered over their body. They could not see everything that happens in the room and who's in it. Any attempt to renew the relationship between consciousness and the physical body will fail, leaving a person out of himself a few moments.

3. Guardian Angel
Many people claim to have seen at least one angel or spirit who watches and cares for them during a brief stop in the "death abyss." Some say that the spirit helped through the afterlife before being sent back to their body.

4. A visit from her mother
Many people say that they visited their mother through vision, while they were on their deathbed.

5. Saw deceased relatives
If you have a large family, get ready to see them in the afterlife. Many have died and returned back again in life, they say they saw their relatives died while stopped in the afterlife.

6. The life passing before their eyes
Prepare again to experience your best and worst moments. Many people see life before the eyes right before the coming of death, or even after you switch sides. See their achievements and their memories are appearing before his eyes as a slideshow of her life.

7. They could see and hear all
Many people told that they could see the people who were with them in the room and tried to contact them but could not respond because their body was lifeless and their spirit / consciousness remained awake. Any attempt to get in touch with the people around them in vain.

8. Peace
The majority of deaths that again revived, said they felt a sense of peace and tranquility. It was so powerful and beautiful feeling soul / mind did not know how to find it reassuring experience.

9. Do not want to return
According to numerous reports, the mortal experience is so calming and serene, so many people who have experienced did not want to return to waking life. Imagine how you feel something as well, so you do not want to go back in life that you fought very hard to maintain.

Sorry if there is some mistakes in the translations, because the text is on Macedonian. Smiley

Apologies for the late reply, i can answer your questions.

First off i dont know that theres nothing after death i just find the possibility that theres nothing at all as very plausible when comparing it to god type religions.

now

no1-
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1. Tell me, what is the meaning of the word God and is it have any connection to Alien or ET?
the meaning of god is some sort of supreme being that has power over everything. I do think aliens could have been perceived as gods back in the day but i dont think followers of religion would accept ET as their gods, and if ET was for example the god of the old testament then i wouldnt want that god as my god, the only reason to serve such a god would be because of fear of what would happen if you did not, hence i would be a god fearing person. Luckily thats not the case.

no2-
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2. What is the difference between Supreme, Lord and Christ?
To me these words dont hold much value , I mean i could tell you what the dictionary would say about these words but i don't think that's what your asking.

no3-
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3. You mentioned religion, so I would like to ask you... What will be a definition for the word and how do you describe this people?
I can give you the definitive definition for this
Quote
the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.


As for NDE's , Its an interesting subject but many scientific tests have been carried out to disprove this, there are also not as many of these as you might expect and often accounts vary greatlly depending on the religion of the person having the NDE. Obviously when the body is under great stress ie dying, all kinds of endorphins are released by the body which can quite easily cause hallucinations.


For everyone else that is describing atheism/every human being as religious this is the oxford dictionary's official definition of religion.   


Quote
religion
rɪˈlɪdʒ(ə)n/
noun
noun: religion

    the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

no1 - wrong

God, Aline and ET are the same thing.

no2 - wrong

Supreme is a title only for one person, Lord is a title for person who is leading a group, example: you father is the Lord of your house, Christ is metaphor for the Light or the Holly Spirit.

no3 - wrong

Religion is group of people who is guided by one person. He teach them what to think!

NDE - Tell me, how can you talk about things that you never have experienced them?
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December 23, 2015, 10:02:24 AM
I started to read this thread, but it's very long, and it seems to be based on the belief that agnostics are atheists. This is not true.

Yes it is.

Agnosticism is the lack of Faith in God.




Ok so im obviously too stupid to put together those 3 concepts that you have posted because theres no way i can put those together and come up with that meaning god, And im blind as well because i certainly cant see god in nature.The reason i dont see what you see is because my mind is not poisoned with religion as yours clearly is.

I suppose im lucky we are only conversing over the internet because in another time or place im sure you would be happy to see me stoned or crucified for my complete and utter lack of faith.

Tell me, What would it take to convince you that your worshipping a false idol and there is in fact no god? Im going to assume it cant be done.

Why do you hate Religion?


Best regards.
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December 23, 2015, 09:57:55 AM
I will share you a scientific research where people speak what they see after they back from the death:
Rofl... dude whatever you see is just what you think and are familiar with and no there is no scientific research on people ever who came back to life after death,Wikipedia is crap.

There is quite a bit of scientific research to support veridical perception and consciousness after death, including the recent AWARE study where the patient's recollections were verified even though the patient was totally brain-dead (i.e. actually dead); here are some resources you can explore:
http://www.near-death.com/evidence.html
http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml


lol what people claim to be 'near death experience' are just hallucinations. Want to recreate it? It can be easily and safely done. What you see and dream about with your eyes closed is just your brain going woozy as it slowly dies nothing more and nothing less.
You need a functioning brain with blood flow and electrical firing to have hallucinations and perceptions. None of that is present during brain death. So how are the perceptions explained?
In the AWARE study, the patient had true perceptions during brain death that were later confirmed by witnesses.
The neurons do not work (fire) when there is brain death. There is no sense of pain, no gag reflex, etc. Why in the world would there be perception and hallucination without even basic functions like those? It goes against everything that is understood about the brain.
Show me the evidence! Find even one neuroscientist who says that a dead brain can plausibly hallucinate.

I think we should wait them do have a near-death experience and then talk about this things...

People have problem to believe in something they never seen it or experienced. We have a lots of studies and experiences from different people around the world, so this is the reason why I believe them! Smiley
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December 23, 2015, 05:48:07 AM
4,200 listed on Wikipedia ..there is far too many to hate LOL
They are just listed on wikipedia and are declared or pretty famous and with some significant following, lol at least 10 times of that number is being followed around the world depending on own believes.

I suppose im lucky we are only conversing over the internet because in another time or place im sure you would be happy to see me stoned or crucified for my complete and utter lack of faith.
If he is hell insane then he wouldn't care about how much money he would have throw and might track you down.
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December 23, 2015, 03:48:35 AM

Its taken the advancement of technology to be able to communicate findings and ideas to advance civilisation, remember its not that long ago that it was beleived the world was flat, thunder and natural disasters were the act of god etc. with good knowledge a civilisation could be easily tricked in the past, even now in undeveloped countries people are tricked by people into thinking they have magical powers.
It has taken the so-called advancement of technology to cause people to think that they are advanced.

For example. Thousands of years ago people were able to move gigantic blocks of stone, weighing up to a thousand tons each, over hundreds of miles, so that they could set up wonderful buildings and monuments.

We don't have the technology to do this today. But, we could probbly devise some technology that could do this. However, if we did, we still couldn't move the stones. Why not? Because our economies are so weak that we couldn't afford building the equipment that it would take, or making the move if the equipment happened to be built. Yet, the ancients of thousands of years ago did it. They were advanced beyond what we are.


I would be confident to say that jesus may have even existed but using tricks and manipulation could fool people into believing he was some sort of prophet and even the son of the most popular god of the time.
However, you and those like you would attempt to fool people into thinking that we have knowledge of all kinds of things that we don't. If you had simply said something like, "we don't know if Jesus had special power or not," or "we aren't sure what God is like," then you might possibly have enough humility to understand that in the basics of life we are behind the ancients, even though we have a bunch of so-called technology.


Also ive mentioned it in a few posts back but im just going to put this out here for you again because im not sure your definition of religion and mine are the same.
All you have to do is look at the standard dictionary definitions of the word "religion" to see what my definitions are. Anybody can make up new definitions to words. Is that what you are doing with the word "religion?"


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the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.

Sounds like you aren't smart enough to put together the concepts:
1. cause and effect;
2. universal complexity;
3. universal entropy;
to see that they say "God."

Religion isn't about the existence of God. Religion is about His attributes. We can see in nature that God exists... except if we are blind, like you seem to saying that you are.

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Ok so im obviously too stupid to put together those 3 concepts that you have posted because theres no way i can put those together and come up with that meaning god, And im blind as well because i certainly cant see god in nature.The reason i dont see what you see is because my mind is not poisoned with religion as yours clearly is.

I suppose im lucky we are only conversing over the internet because in another time or place im sure you would be happy to see me stoned or crucified for my complete and utter lack of faith.

Tell me, What would it take to convince you that your worshipping a false idol and there is in fact no god? Im going to assume it cant be done.
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