Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 274. (Read 901518 times)

You are wrong. The biggest contributors to the most deaths would be driven by atheism and/or the likes of atheistic beliefs. Make no mistake about it, Hitler didnt give a shit about religion and Stalin and Mussolini definitely didnt drive a religious agenda either. With that said, war and religion.... sure I suppose is a big problem but not the biggest. 

Who says what you do is right? Is it societal norms? I am in no way religious but anyone who isnt cannot deny that our world as it sits currently is completely structured from religion in most forms. Whether that be what is right and what is wrong, the words you use on a daily basis, how you classify history in terms of dates and the list goes on. You may not believe in god, gods, or religion but you are living in a society that was built from the ground up on religion in all forms.

Evolution and the age of the universe? You do realize that the hierarchy of religion contains many well educated people. My comparative religions teacher a while back was a Jesuit Priest who had a Doctorate in Physics and by no means would he ever discount the idea of evolution and the history of man; from the Proto Indo Europeans on forward.

You may need to dig a little deeper to understand the difference from some southern preacher spouting out what his congregation stands for and those that believe in god, who also happen to be very well educated.

People are not completely stupid. Yet, because there is so extremely much complexity, a person might have time to become a true expert in only one or two fields.

Quantum mechanics and quantum math are all about probability. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcfQkxwz4Oo. If an expert is smart enough, he can direct QM in a direction that helps him solve some problem that he is looking for the answer to. When we, lay people, see what the expert has done, we often think that QM are the reigning sciences.

We are wrong. The reason we are wrong is that we don't understand that QM can help us find the answer in every area, and every direction, that we might be looking for the answer in. Here's what I mean.

Right in this forum there are people who believe the earth is round, and there are people who believe it is flat. There is a reasonable amount of QM that seems to have proven that the earth is round. There is no QM that has proven that the earth is flat. Why isn't there any flat earth QM? For only one reason, and one reason only. Nobody with sufficient knowledge and theory about flat earth mechanics has tried to use QM to prove flat earth.

QM proves nothing, and it proves everything. It proves whatever the knowledgeable scientist or technician uses it to prove. QM can be used to prove directly opposite things to be correct. Anything that QM has proven to be true, it can also prove false if used in a different way.

At our current stage of knowledge about QM, QM only shows a probable path to an end result. The result has to be proven by other methods than QM if we want to prove that it is true. QM is a crutch that only helps us get there, but not by proving anything.

Accepting Jesus Christ in the way that saves, includes some respect for the Law. Anyone that says he is a Christian and does not show respect for the law, especially when he is aware of the law, that person is a liar.

Anyone who says that he is a respecter of the law, and doesn't accept Jesus salvation, doesn't respect the law nearly as much as he thinks.

You said it, brother. The atheism religion has caused tremendous and gigantic wars. The biggest war the atheism religion has caused is the war between God and the devil, both fighting for the souls of men - God fighting to save people, and the devil fighting to destroy them.

We have been blessed by God in that He set up the Jewish religion, and later brought this religion into fulfillment by setting up Christianity. Both were designed by God to cancel out atheism and other false religions. However, the devil sneaked into both of these righteous religions, and corrupted much of the goodness that God had designed them to be.

The thing that the devil can't corrupt is the message of salvation to eternal life that is portrayed by both, but now offered basically through the Christian religion.

thats actually more or less true. there are some inconsistencies between the quantum mechanics theories and the relativity theories. separately, and within the domains they respectively work on, these theories are 100% accurate, but as soon as you say, apply quantum theories to larger objects that QM does not cover, you can start seeing some inconsistencies that are large enough to be observable. bpth theories describe the state of objects at a given time, but of small and larger sizes (QM and relativity). this is just 1 case though.

Nobody keeps the commandments perfect enough to be accepted by God. The commandments were given for two reasons:
1. To show the people that they couldn't keep them;
2. To bring about peaceful earthly lives when people attempted to keep them.

Mate, I think that you should seriously ready the 10 Commandments and think about them! Then about the other 2 who Christ add them to the Law and read this post again...

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.
- This is the first commandment where God is telling us that He belongs to us and that we should accept Him as our Father.
2. You shall not make idols.
- Today everyone think that the Saints are those who keep and protect them from the evil, but they forgot that without the faith in God, the Saints can not help them.
3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
- How many people use the word God and how many of them are actually really believe in Him?
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
- This means that you should have one day in the week where you will devote for you, your family and God.
5. Honor your father and your mother.
- God can be our Father and Mother at the same time, that's why He is telling us to respect our parents. If we know how to respect them, then we will know hot to respect Him.
6. You shall not murder.
- Not murder even with your thoughts. Tell me, who many times did you kill a person in your thoughts?
7. You shall not commit adultery.
- Not even with your thoughts! There are a lots of people who would like to have the girl of his friend in there thoughts... Have you had this experience?
8. You shall not steal.
- This commandment is very clear.
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
- How many people today pretended that they are your friends, but behind your back they speak lies about you?
10.You shall not covet.
- We all have desires, but are we able to put them in control?

John 14:15

15"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. 16

I'm sorry but religion and war go hand in hand.  Almost every war fought has been over religion and again atheism is not a religion,  if you class atheism as a religion then what your saying is there can only be religion there are no alternatives.  The difference between you and me is I do what is right no matter what I'm told,  you do what your told no matter what is right.  

I mean why do you believe some book that was written thousands of years ago?  I don't even want to get started on how old you think earth is and evolution.

Personal works salvation doesn't produce any results. Why not? Because everyone dies. It doesn't work.

You might say, Bible Christianity salvation doesn't keep people from dying either. And you would be right.

The difference is that Personal works salvation doesn't have any hope after death. After all, if you couldn't do it while you were alive, what makes you think that you can do it after you are dead?

Bible Christianity salvation gives us the hope that God, Who created everything in the first place, and Who started life and maintains life right now, will do as He promised and raise people back to life at the last day.

Many people doubt both of these salvation options. But yours doesn't have any hope or chance of success attached to it. Experience of all kinds of sages who attempted to do it your way shows us that.

Jesus speaking in Matthew 22:31-33:
And again, Jesus in Luke 20:37,38:
It doesn't depend on your works. Rather, it depends on God's power. God's power works through Jesus. Jesus, the Son, speaking - John 6:40:
There is hope with the God of the Bible. There isn't any hope with personal works salvation.

If everyone woke up as atheists tomorrow - I mean true atheists - Jesus would return and the judgment day would be here. There would be no more wars because this universe would be over.

The religion of atheism has by far been the largest contributor to wars throughout history.

Now, look at the points you made above. Most of them are points about your religion. They are your doctrines. The more you emphasize them, the stronger your religion becomes. Notice in the definitions, #6, below.

From Dictionary.com at http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion?s=t:



EDIT: Besides, saying the truth isn't ad hominem.

I don't think that atheists hate religion and they don't respect people who are religious. This just a prejudice. If you don't beleive in god(s) that doesn't mean that you don't respect religions in general

 All your links are religious sites attempting to explain atheism.

Atheism explained by religious people is one minority trying to explain another minority that they've never met before. It doesn't work.

Therefore none of those links describe atheism, they describe what religious people think atheism actually is.


From context, your post doesn't actually mention being sorry for any of the ad-hominem attack you write above. I think you just made it up solely for this post.

As I've mentioned before nothing about my beliefs are religious. I have no opinion about magical sky fathers, rock spirits, snake men or any of the multitude of religious beliefs.

And if some god appears and claims to be the one true god and that god has no other explanation, I'll change my mind.

Anyway, each time you write about what you think I believe, I'll be here to correct you. I won't even take you to task for your irrational ad-hominem attacks.

Imagine how many wars and conflicts would end if everyone woke up as atheists tomorrow,  it's no secret that religion has been the contributing factor to most wars throughout history.

If you think that you are saved by the work of someone else, fine; feel free to sit around and wait for your savior to take you away on a cloud. It makes me sad, but it is absolutely your choice to wait around for that. I will not wait because this world needs healing, so I focus on creating the soul-ution within my being so that it may be mainfested when the season is right; God demands spiritual fruit, not religious nuts.

With good theories, you will inevitably have a workable hypothesis that you can use to create things scientifically, including technologies and inventions that can help the world's people.

For example, no amount of Biblical study has ever allowed a human to be able to create manna or anything similar, but with a workable theory it would be possible and indeed it IS possible. I do not need a Bible for that, I need a rational understanding of how it works.

In addition, just because there is a theory doesn't mean that there might not be a host of other theories about the same thing, some of them precisely opposite of others. Nor does it mean that the theory necessarily is going to be found out to be fact.

Theory is a good guess, and sometimes, a not so good guess.

Keep focusing on theories and you will have a wonderful science fiction story or two, or thousands.

Really, only a handful?

Have these events ever been linked mathematically to a theory?

1) Ancient megaliths like the Temple of the Three Windows
2) Evolution of domesticated plants: link
3) Hard problem of consciousness: link
4) Veridical perception during near-death experience: link
5) Origin of life: link
6) The top cases demonstrating the survival of the human personality after the demise of the physical body, including a chess game played with a dead chessmaster:
http://www.aeces.info/Top40/top40-main.shtml

All right, all right. I didn't want to do this, but since you insist...

The post in question was your post at https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13273365. In that post you stated, "Argument is usually profitable, if both sides are willing to listen." Well, I could possibly agree with that. We could argue forever about whether arguing is profitable or not. I agree it sometimes is profitable, but that it is also not profitable at other times. However, that is not the thing that I was apologizing for.

The next thing you said was, "Neither Google nor DuckDuckGo are authorities on the subject of atheism. Try an atheist site instead." Well, Obviously Google and DuckDuckGo are not authorities on atheism. They are search engines. They present links to many different sites about various things that a person asks questions about. However, an atheism site is probably going to be biased about atheism. So, it is not in one's best interest to look only at atheism sites for info about atheism, if they want to get a look at the subject from all sides. The point is, this isn't what I was apologizing for either. After all, I didn't make the statements. You did.

Next, right above my quote containing some links to sites that explain what atheism is, and how it is aligned with what a religion is, you wrote, "No. Really really no. That's not atheism at all." And following my link quote you wrote, "None of these links describe atheism." Yet atheism was, like, the entire point of the info in those links... describing atheism. The point here is, you have your opinion. That's okay. I can't apologize for you having an opinion; it isn't my fault you have opinions; so that wasn't what I was apologizing for.

So, what was I apologizing for? I was apologizing that I was taking unfair mental advantage of some near-retarded joker who thinks that anybody would think that search engines might possibly be authorities on atheism; or one who wants to bolster his ideals with limited, not-necessarily-factual information; and one who by his expressing of his "belief" goes entirely against the beliefs of many others, without allowing that some of those others might be right.

I was also apologizing for "roughly" dealing with a weak mentality that doesn't even recognize that the way he is handling his describing of atheism is in a totally religious way.

Honest and fair people don't deal roughly with children. At least not the first time. And I still don't want to deal even the slightest in a rough way with your mentality. But you are pushing the issue.



EDIT: Now, I know you will have trouble understanding what I have written above. But that's okay. Other people will understand.

Because religious people are so very respectful of other religions, aren't they?

Because they are disrespectful? That's why they are atheists.

I think it is exactly what you apologised for. Here's the quote, again:


If you didn't apologise for not knowing that atheists are irreligious rather than antireligious, what were you apologising for?