Hot Topic!
Cool discussion.
I'm not sure if one can generalize that all or most Atheists "hate" religion, but I would be willing to wager some good BTC that religious people are equally if not more prone to "hate" Atheists.
I think it's the by-products of religion Atheists "hate," things like ethnic "cleansing," wars and concentration camps, just to name a few.
I'm Agnostic, so I'll play referee for just this one post.
What's the difference between an Agnostic person and an Apathetic person?
I don't know & I don't care.
Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 314. (Read 901342 times)
Hmmmm, your "case" has not really addressed anything, much less the 52 points of evidence that was referenced; I take care to explain things to you and address every detail but it seems like you are not willing to evaluate the evidence in a rational manner at all.
Any one can draw his/her own conclusions from the evidence, but it seems like you are unwilling (or unable) to read it. And then you say you "also" have a problem with my proof, but since you don't quote any part of it I am unable to help you.
So I hope you will change your ways and behave rationally. You are constantly asking religious people to behave rationally, but perhaps you should start with that "man in the mirror"?
Any one can draw his/her own conclusions from the evidence, but it seems like you are unwilling (or unable) to read it. And then you say you "also" have a problem with my proof, but since you don't quote any part of it I am unable to help you.
So I hope you will change your ways and behave rationally. You are constantly asking religious people to behave rationally, but perhaps you should start with that "man in the mirror"?
Quote from: Man In the Mirror by Michael Jackson
I'm starting with the man in the mirror
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you want to make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself, and then make a change
I'm asking him to change his ways
And no message could have been any clearer
If you want to make the world a better place
Take a look at yourself, and then make a change
But if you say god is fact and the religious books are fact..THEN WOW GIVE YOUR BRAINS A WOBBLE YOU THICK STUPID PEOPLE 
Hi popcorn1,
You have consistently ignored evidence in an attempt to deny my proof of God.
Why is that?
Maybe you are the one who is "thick"?
I have posted my proof of God, I have refuted your disagreement on the first (inductive/scientific) point, so what is wrong with the rest of my proof which only uses deduction once the survival hypothesis is accepted? Please quote my proof and point out the logical error.
So, if GOD is NOT a fact, then surely you would have a reason to reject my proof!
You had rejected my proof because you had claimed that the NDE can be explained by brain chemistry alone; it is obvious that you did not read too much of the evidence, and you have been shown to be wrong on this point.
Why don't you try again to evaluate my proof and the empirical (scientific) evidence I have presented.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12577349
about your blind person who was born blind..SO IS A BAT BUT THAT CAN SEE
I rest my caseplus Emmanuel is a soft porn star
also if there was an afterlife why would there be a god ..would this not be what humans do when they die..
Also the blind girl described getting sucked into a tube..how does she know what a tube is to describe getting sucked into a tube if she was always blind..
Also as she ever dreamt in her sleep when she goes to bed to sleep?
So according to you if she was a sleep she would just see BLACK and no dreams?
The Jews were God governing and self-governing. Here is how it worked.
God set up the laws through Moses. God set up the priests along with heads of families to judge the people.
The people didn't have any police. The people could do whatever they wanted. They all policed themselves and each other.
Here's how law enforcement worked. If someone did something that was against the law, he got away with it until someone complained to the heads of family or to the priests. Then the priests made a judgment, and the guilty person paid for his wrongdoing.
That's it. For hundreds of years nobody made any more laws. Everything was based on private property. You did wrong if you broke the law and harmed a person or damaged his property. The only other way you did wrong was to break one of God's ceremonial laws that He gave through Moses. If nobody complained, you got away with it. If someone complained falsely, then the complainer was the one who got punished.
Simple as that. And it works this way in America, as well. Anybody can do anything until somebody complains. Often it is the police who file formal complaints. But if the people knew that they were not guilty if they didn't harm anyone, most of the police complaints would die away. The people don't know, so they agree with the police that they were wrong, and they get punished for their agreement, not for any wrongdoing.
Let's hope to have a king soon?
Best regards.
But if you say god is fact and the religious books are fact..THEN WOW GIVE YOUR BRAINS A WOBBLE YOU THICK STUPID PEOPLE
Hi popcorn1,
You have consistently ignored evidence in an attempt to deny my proof of God.
Why is that?
Maybe you are the one who is "thick"?
I have posted my proof of God, I have refuted your disagreement on the first (inductive/scientific) point, so what is wrong with the rest of my proof which only uses deduction once the survival hypothesis is accepted? Please quote my proof and point out the logical error.
So, if GOD is NOT a fact, then surely you would have a reason to reject my proof!
You had rejected my proof because you had claimed that the NDE can be explained by brain chemistry alone; your claim is not fact, and it is obvious that you did not read too much of the evidence. Since you are wrong on that point, would you please provide a valid reason to reject the proof which demonstrates that GOD is a fact?
Why don't you try again to evaluate my proof and the empirical (scientific) evidence I have presented.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12577349
What if someone took all the elements that are in the human body, in exactly the same proportions that they are in the body. He placed all the elements into a container, something like a rock tumbler, and sealed the container so that they wouldn't fall out.
Next, he turned the tumbler on and mixed the chemicals. He even ran some electricity through. He added heat and cold at different times. Some of the time he caused the container to shake, violently or less violently.
Would he ever make a human being out of it? No! Never!
The body of a person is a marvelous thing. The ABSOLUTE ONLY WAY a human being can come into existence is through a man and a woman getting together and making a baby. There is NO other way.
Atheists are upset because they can't duplicate nature in some other way. Oh, sure. They can make new people in the same way that nature allows. But they don't have even the beginning of a clue about making a human in any other way. NOT EVEN A CLUE!
When religious folks come along and tell atheists that it was God that made people, they can't simply accept that, because they know that there isn't any way to make people other than the standard way that nature provided. So they are angry at theistic religious people for thinking that they know so much.
I don't blame the atheists for being angry. Christians talk about the love of God, the love of Jesus, and all the good things that God did for us. But, even they forget that Jesus didn't like weakness. In fact, Jesus hated the weakness just as much as any good atheist. Even though Jesus was a theist, He hated weakness just like any good atheist.
Many atheists (and Christians) would be surprised to find that Jesus promoted some hate. But look at what Jesus said in Luke 14:25-27:
Being a Christian is a job. It is filled with the weakness of not being able to do your own thing. It is filled with the commands to "carry" a "cross and follow" Jesus. This isn't easy. Atheists instinctively know that living a theistic life can be a burden. They hate the idea. And Christians will hate the idea, as well.
The difference is, the true Christian will often give up the good things of life to follow the theistic, Christian way. However, it takes a good Christian to actually hate the things of life because he or she is so extremely involved with following Jesus, and being a good Christian.
Next, he turned the tumbler on and mixed the chemicals. He even ran some electricity through. He added heat and cold at different times. Some of the time he caused the container to shake, violently or less violently.
Would he ever make a human being out of it? No! Never!
The body of a person is a marvelous thing. The ABSOLUTE ONLY WAY a human being can come into existence is through a man and a woman getting together and making a baby. There is NO other way.
Atheists are upset because they can't duplicate nature in some other way. Oh, sure. They can make new people in the same way that nature allows. But they don't have even the beginning of a clue about making a human in any other way. NOT EVEN A CLUE!
When religious folks come along and tell atheists that it was God that made people, they can't simply accept that, because they know that there isn't any way to make people other than the standard way that nature provided. So they are angry at theistic religious people for thinking that they know so much.
I don't blame the atheists for being angry. Christians talk about the love of God, the love of Jesus, and all the good things that God did for us. But, even they forget that Jesus didn't like weakness. In fact, Jesus hated the weakness just as much as any good atheist. Even though Jesus was a theist, He hated weakness just like any good atheist.
Many atheists (and Christians) would be surprised to find that Jesus promoted some hate. But look at what Jesus said in Luke 14:25-27:
Quote
Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple."
Being a Christian is a job. It is filled with the weakness of not being able to do your own thing. It is filled with the commands to "carry" a "cross and follow" Jesus. This isn't easy. Atheists instinctively know that living a theistic life can be a burden. They hate the idea. And Christians will hate the idea, as well.
The difference is, the true Christian will often give up the good things of life to follow the theistic, Christian way. However, it takes a good Christian to actually hate the things of life because he or she is so extremely involved with following Jesus, and being a good Christian.
STUPID PERSON..You know nothing..your always wrong on this subject www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9XzN0-TQZc
SCIENCE IS THE KEY TO LIFE..
So BADECKER don.t be coming up with some excuse.. WHAT ARE THEY DOING NOW DUMB ASS
ALWAYS WRONG
Instead of reading the bible read about science you might learn something :
if you really think RELIGIOUS BOOKS ARE THE TRUTH THEN YOU ARE A THICK DUMB STUPID PLANT POT IDIOT WITH NO BRAINS..
If you say religious books are just my faith..I.E i don.t believe 100% but i have faith..
MEANING hope the religious books are the truth but i cannot say for certain they are fact..
then that is OK with me..
But if you say god is fact and the religious books are fact..THEN WOW GIVE YOUR BRAINS A WOBBLE YOU THICK STUPID PEOPLE
ALL RELIGION IS BULLSHIT
FACT
The Jews were God governing and self-governing. Here is how it worked.
God set up the laws through Moses. God set up the priests along with heads of families to judge the people.
The people didn't have any police. The people could do whatever they wanted. They all policed themselves and each other.
Here's how law enforcement worked. If someone did something that was against the law, he got away with it until someone complained to the heads of family or to the priests. Then the priests made a judgment, and the guilty person paid for his wrongdoing.
That's it. For hundreds of years nobody made any more laws. Everything was based on private property. You did wrong if you broke the law and harmed a person or damaged his property. The only other way you did wrong was to break one of God's ceremonial laws that He gave through Moses. If nobody complained, you got away with it. If someone complained falsely, then the complainer was the one who got punished.
Simple as that. And it works this way in America, as well. Anybody can do anything until somebody complains. Often it is the police who file formal complaints. But if the people knew that they were not guilty if they didn't harm anyone, most of the police complaints would die away. The people don't know, so they agree with the police that they were wrong, and they get punished for their agreement, not for any wrongdoing.
Let's hope to have a king soon?
Best regards.
OT
If you look in the Old Testament, you will see that it was the people of Israel who asked for a king. God was even angry with them for asking for a king. Why? Because they rejected God as their king, and asked for an earthly man to be their king, just like all the other nations.
Could you point out where this is written? I thoughted it was the other way around: God told to put a King on Israel.
1 Samuel 8:6-9:If you look in the Old Testament, you will see that it was the people of Israel who asked for a king. God was even angry with them for asking for a king. Why? Because they rejected God as their king, and asked for an earthly man to be their king, just like all the other nations.
Could you point out where this is written? I thoughted it was the other way around: God told to put a King on Israel.
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6 But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the LORD. 7 And the LORD told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.”
God allowed the king. He wasn't happy with the idea. It is like when Jesus was explaining to the Pharisees about divorce, Matthew 19:7-9. Divorce is allowed, but God isn't happy with it:
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7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
How does the Jews governed themselfs before King David?
Did they had a democracy?
The Jews were God governing and self-governing. Here is how it worked.
God set up the laws through Moses. God set up the priests along with heads of families to judge the people.
The people didn't have any police. The people could do whatever they wanted. They all policed themselves and each other.
Here's how law enforcement worked. If someone did something that was against the law, he got away with it until someone complained to the heads of family or to the priests. Then the priests made a judgment, and the guilty person paid for his wrongdoing.
That's it. For hundreds of years nobody made any more laws. Everything was based on private property. You did wrong if you broke the law and harmed a person or damaged his property. The only other way you did wrong was to break one of God's ceremonial laws that He gave through Moses. If nobody complained, you got away with it. If someone complained falsely, then the complainer was the one who got punished.
Simple as that. And it works this way in America, as well. Anybody can do anything until somebody complains. Often it is the police who file formal complaints. But if the people knew that they were not guilty if they didn't harm anyone, most of the police complaints would die away. The people don't know, so they agree with the police that they were wrong, and they get punished for their agreement, not for any wrongdoing.
A great American author has stated that:
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true".
If faith contradicts reason, it is not reason that is in error.
Do you even know which GOD you worship? GOD gave you a mind so that you could discern the truth. Why would you bow down to an authority figure instead of using the reason given by GOD?
Do you think that someone will just lift you up into the clouds just for "having faith"? FAITH IN WHAT??
Man: I'm not gay.
There is only one God.
Thank You.
MAN: THERE IS FAITH AND PHILOSOPHY.
WHY ARE YOU HERE IF NOT FOR BEING SAVED?
WHY ARE YOU HERE IF NOT FOR BEING SAVED?
A great American author has stated that:
"Faith is believing something you know ain't true".
If faith contradicts reason, it is not reason that is in error.
Do you even know which GOD you worship? GOD gave you a mind so that you could discern the truth. Why would you bow down to an authority figure instead of using the reason given by GOD?
Do you think that someone will just lift you up into the clouds just for "having faith"? FAITH IN WHAT??
Nobody is going to SAVE anybody or anything. There can be leaders who show the way and lead--no more and no less.
So: why are you here than, if not for being saved?
Thank You.
I am showing people like you that logic is indispensable, and you should not surrender your discernment and reason to ANY authority save for GOD WITHIN. You have to use clear thinking. As the saying goes, "God helps those who help themselves".
On this planet, I am here to harmonize my soul with my manifested fragment in balance with GOD.
MAN: THERE IS FAITH AND PHILOSOPHY.
WHY ARE YOU HERE IF NOT FOR BEING SAVED?
Thank You.
Nobody is going to SAVE anybody or anything. There can be leaders who show the way and lead--no more and no less.
So: why are you here than, if not for being saved?
Thank You.
I am showing people like you that logic is indispensable, and you should not surrender your discernment and reason to ANY authority save for GOD WITHIN. You have to use clear thinking. As the saying goes, "God helps those who help themselves".
On this planet, I am here to harmonize my soul with my manifested fragment in balance with GOD.
Nobody is going to SAVE anybody or anything. There can be leaders who show the way and lead--no more and no less.
So: why are you here than, if not for being saved?
Thank You.
Nobody is going to SAVE anybody or anything. There can be leaders who show the way and lead--no more and no less.
They are not even able to follow the Pope which is Vicar of Jesus Christ on Earth.
I follow the leader Jesus Christ. He led by example and the bible details it. I don't follow humans who sin.
Just listen to yourselves. It's like two children in a playground squabbling over who's got the best yo-yo.
What you fail to see is that you both worship man. You have been all along. I'm surprised with all this man worshipping going on you've got any time left for God.
Catholics worship the pope. (MAN)
Christians worship Jesus. (MAN)
You're alot closer to each other than you would both care to admit.
Naturally of course you will deny this till your blue in the face. So please don't bother replying.
Christians worship the Father in Heaven (God) who created us all and deserves the glory, they follow Jesus's example on how to live on earth.
Now you are contradicting yourself, MMH. First you said that to be Christian means to accept Jesus as your "SAVIOR", now you are saying that you only need to follow his "EXAMPLE".
Just to be clear, I am quoting your earlier post and highlighting the part that appears to be a contradiction.
You're looking for a contradiction. There isn't one. Christians follow Jesus's example and He saved us (and therefore is our savior).
All "SAVIORS" are by identification and definition "PHONY", whether it is Pope, Amitabha, Ra-El, Chairman Mao, Jesus, Tom Truong, Barack Obama, or anyone else. They are all men. There are no “saviors” to save anything or more specifically anyone! IF you never heard of any such person as Jesus--how would you feel about the story?? You never even got the real story, but you can read it for yourself in Phoenix Journal #2.
Emmanuel did not EVER ONCE suggest he was your SAVIOR; MAN HAS PROJECTED THAT LIE UPON YOU TO KEEP YOU IGNORANT OF GOD WITHIN.
That doctrine is in total contrast to the directive "be responsible for self that you are able to love one another as I have loved you", which is the essence of the New Commandment. There was NO COMMANDMENT TO BELIEVE IN A SAVIOR.
OT
If you look in the Old Testament, you will see that it was the people of Israel who asked for a king. God was even angry with them for asking for a king. Why? Because they rejected God as their king, and asked for an earthly man to be their king, just like all the other nations.
Could you point out where this is written? I thoughted it was the other way around: God told to put a King on Israel.
1 Samuel 8:6-9:If you look in the Old Testament, you will see that it was the people of Israel who asked for a king. God was even angry with them for asking for a king. Why? Because they rejected God as their king, and asked for an earthly man to be their king, just like all the other nations.
Could you point out where this is written? I thoughted it was the other way around: God told to put a King on Israel.
Quote
6 But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the LORD. 7 And the LORD told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9 Now listen to them; but warn them solemnly and let them know what the king who will reign over them will do.”
God allowed the king. He wasn't happy with the idea. It is like when Jesus was explaining to the Pharisees about divorce, Matthew 19:7-9. Divorce is allowed, but God isn't happy with it:
Quote
7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
8 Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for marital unfaithfulness, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
How does the Jews governed themselfs before King David?
Did they had a democracy?
What if someone took all the elements that are in the human body, in exactly the same proportions that they are in the body. He placed all the elements into a container, something like a rock tumbler, and sealed the container so that they wouldn't fall out.
Next, he turned the tumbler on and mixed the chemicals. He even ran some electricity through. He added heat and cold at different times. Some of the time he caused the container to shake, violently or less violently.
Would he ever make a human being out of it? No! Never!
The body of a person is a marvelous thing. The ABSOLUTE ONLY WAY a human being can come into existence is through a man and a woman getting together and making a baby. There is NO other way.
Atheists are upset because they can't duplicate nature in some other way. Oh, sure. They can make new people in the same way that nature allows. But they don't have even the beginning of a clue about making a human in any other way. NOT EVEN A CLUE!
When religious folks come along and tell atheists that it was God that made people, they can't simply accept that, because they know that there isn't any way to make people other than the standard way that nature provided. So they are angry at theistic religious people for thinking that they know so much.
I don't blame the atheists for being angry. Christians talk about the love of God, the love of Jesus, and all the good things that God did for us. But, even they forget that Jesus didn't like weakness. In fact, Jesus hated the weakness just as much as any good atheist. Even though Jesus was a theist, He hated weakness just like any good atheist.
Many atheists (and Christians) would be surprised to find that Jesus promoted some hate. But look at what Jesus said in Luke 14:25-27:
Being a Christian is a job. It is filled with the weakness of not being able to do your own thing. It is filled with the commands to "carry" a "cross and follow" Jesus. This isn't easy. Atheists instinctively know that living a theistic life can be a burden. They hate the idea. And Christians will hate the idea, as well.
The difference is, the true Christian will often give up the good things of life to follow the theistic, Christian way. However, it takes a good Christian to actually hate the things of life because he or she is so extremely involved with following Jesus, and being a good Christian.
Next, he turned the tumbler on and mixed the chemicals. He even ran some electricity through. He added heat and cold at different times. Some of the time he caused the container to shake, violently or less violently.
Would he ever make a human being out of it? No! Never!
The body of a person is a marvelous thing. The ABSOLUTE ONLY WAY a human being can come into existence is through a man and a woman getting together and making a baby. There is NO other way.
Atheists are upset because they can't duplicate nature in some other way. Oh, sure. They can make new people in the same way that nature allows. But they don't have even the beginning of a clue about making a human in any other way. NOT EVEN A CLUE!
When religious folks come along and tell atheists that it was God that made people, they can't simply accept that, because they know that there isn't any way to make people other than the standard way that nature provided. So they are angry at theistic religious people for thinking that they know so much.
I don't blame the atheists for being angry. Christians talk about the love of God, the love of Jesus, and all the good things that God did for us. But, even they forget that Jesus didn't like weakness. In fact, Jesus hated the weakness just as much as any good atheist. Even though Jesus was a theist, He hated weakness just like any good atheist.
Many atheists (and Christians) would be surprised to find that Jesus promoted some hate. But look at what Jesus said in Luke 14:25-27:
Quote
Large crowds were traveling with Jesus, and turning to them he said: "If anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot be my disciple. And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple."
Being a Christian is a job. It is filled with the weakness of not being able to do your own thing. It is filled with the commands to "carry" a "cross and follow" Jesus. This isn't easy. Atheists instinctively know that living a theistic life can be a burden. They hate the idea. And Christians will hate the idea, as well.
The difference is, the true Christian will often give up the good things of life to follow the theistic, Christian way. However, it takes a good Christian to actually hate the things of life because he or she is so extremely involved with following Jesus, and being a good Christian.
Now you are contradicting yourself, MMH. First you said that to be Christian means to accept Jesus as your "SAVIOR", now you are saying that you only need to follow his "EXAMPLE".
Just to be clear, I am quoting your earlier post and highlighting the part that appears to be a contradiction.
You're looking for a contradiction. There isn't one. Christians follow Jesus's example and He saved us (and therefore is our savior).
MMH is teching you Patience: learn 1aguar and you may find Science.
They are not even able to follow the Pope which is Vicar of Jesus Christ on Earth.
I follow the leader Jesus Christ. He led by example and the bible details it. I don't follow humans who sin.
Just listen to yourselves. It's like two children in a playground squabbling over who's got the best yo-yo.
What you fail to see is that you both worship man. You have been all along. I'm surprised with all this man worshipping going on you've got any time left for God.
Catholics worship the pope. (MAN)
Christians worship Jesus. (MAN)
You're alot closer to each other than you would both care to admit.
Naturally of course you will deny this till your blue in the face. So please don't bother replying.
Christians worship the Father in Heaven (God) who created us all and deserves the glory, they follow Jesus's example on how to live on earth.
Now you are contradicting yourself, MMH. First you said that to be Christian means to accept Jesus as your "SAVIOR", now you are saying that you only need to follow his "EXAMPLE".
Just to be clear, I am quoting your earlier post and highlighting the part that appears to be a contradiction.
You're looking for a contradiction. There isn't one. Christians follow Jesus's example and He saved us (and therefore is our savior).
But the thing is, I keep telling you that Jesus said the only way to the Father was through the Son
And I keep refuting this point of view by telling you that it is merely an interpretation (as explained in StackExchange and Phoenix Journals), and it is not part of the core teaching which is called the New Commandment. He came to show us the path, but his being was not that path; it was his Oneness with God that was significant.but you don't believe that means you have to believe in Him as the savior. The bible talks about sacrifices to get clean from sin...why do you think they sacrificed animals to the Lord?
I don't see anywhere where Jesus referred to himself as a "savior".
You see MMH, I am confused because when I pointed out to you that the New Commandment says nothing about a savior, you responded with the above reference to animal sacrifice; I do not feel like you understand the logic of the New Commandment so instead of thinking clearly about this you choose to refer to the OT, but that is basically you surrendering your discernment to a Book of Errors written by MAN. This is very irrational; if you start with the Bible as dogma, you will end up claiming that all of history aligns to your unreasonable worldview and that GOD was unable to produce an "impossible book" the first time around, just like one fellow named BADecker, who states:
"Scholars [who added to the Gospel of Mark] didn't get into God's mind to see that He wanted that ending in there, so He had it added later."
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12494403
I have a lot of sympathy for BADecker, but I have no more time for irrational lunacy; I hope you can give this discussion the time and thought that it needs so we can come to a clear conclusion about what it means to be a Christian.
In the first place, you can't and don't keep the new commandment perfectly enough for it to do you any good regarding salvation. Wanna be saved? Get a Savior.
Secondly, the giving of the new commandment was a thing that Jesus of the Bible did, telling it to those who were accepting His salvation for them.
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