Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 315. (Read 901367 times)
because they are hate the rules of religion. they just follow a little of govenor rules.
God's grace is easy to understand; I will post this quote about grace again; it resonates with me; may it resonate with GOD WITHIN YOU:
SO WHAT ABOUT "GRACE" GIVEN OF GOD?
Grace is the quality of God of Giving and Regiving Love. Let us define Grace, "1. Beauty or harmony of motion, form or manner. 2. Any attractive quality. 3. Service freely rendered; good will. 4. The act of showing favor. 5. Clemency; mercy. 6. Theology. a. The love of God toward man. b. The divine influence operating in man."
Mine scribe, Druthea, watched with some amusement a "Christian" TV Minister on the yesterday. He was speaking about his perception of God's "Grace". He said words to the effect, "You need do NOTHING to receive God's Blessings and Grace". (Sounds a bit like the "just BE" philosophy of many New Agers, does it not?) "We humans believe we must "work" to earn God's Grace. This is NOT true. We must accept CHRIST as our Savior. HE has taken our burden for us." There is the catch; Christ has taken responsibility for YOU! Do you see how deceptive the adversary is? "God will take care of you. You need do nothing. You are not responsible. Christ is your Savior"...ad nauseam!
I am not YOUR savior. YOU are your Savior. And the good news is YOU will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION. It is really so simple, chelas. You see, GRACE also is a wondrous quality of EFFORTLESS GIVING AND REGIVING BY GOD!
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WHAT ABOUT "MERCY"?
YOU DESIRE GOD'S MERCY AND FORGIVENESS? THEN YOU MUST PETITION GOD WITHIN YOU TO GUIDE, PROTECT AND SUSTAIN YOU WITH LOVE AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE POWER OF YOUR WILL AND HIS WILL AS ONE!
God IS ALL-FORGIVING MERCY. So then, chelas, forgiveness and mercy must begin within SELF since that is where GOD resides.
The adversary will dissolve in its power when confronted by the Divine Holy Power of GOD WITHIN YOU! WHY? Because EVIL is an illusion developed and sustained by MAN. God's Love, Light and Knowledge is ALL that exists. YOU each are fragments of HIS divided thinking. THERE IS NO SEPARATION OF GOD AND WE OF HIS THOUGHT FRAGMENTS, EXCEPT THROUGH THE BELIEF OF SEPARATION EMBRACED BY LIMITED HUMAN SENSING PERCEPTION. So Be it.
YOU MUST SEEK TO KNOW GOD WITHIN
Only through KNOWING that which is GOD will you KNOW GOD WITHIN ALL. How can you KNOW GOD? BY YOUR DESIRE TO KNOW GOD will HIS Kingdom be revealed within you. He awaits sincere petition of recognition and acceptance of HIS WORD within you. Your song of LIGHT resounds within GOD'S KNOWING and you will dance and sing HIS presence in co-creation as ONE WITH GOD AND ALL THAT IS.
"In all that I AM Father, not MY will, only let THINE WILL BE DONE." And so it is.
Thank you, precious Druthea, for your service. I AM Sananda, ONE with GOD within Creation. I am most pleased to be of service to you, my precious brethren of Earth Shan. Walk together in Absolute Love, Unity and Peace and KNOW Always Our Father walks with you. Salu.
Grace is the quality of God of Giving and Regiving Love. Let us define Grace, "1. Beauty or harmony of motion, form or manner. 2. Any attractive quality. 3. Service freely rendered; good will. 4. The act of showing favor. 5. Clemency; mercy. 6. Theology. a. The love of God toward man. b. The divine influence operating in man."
Mine scribe, Druthea, watched with some amusement a "Christian" TV Minister on the yesterday. He was speaking about his perception of God's "Grace". He said words to the effect, "You need do NOTHING to receive God's Blessings and Grace". (Sounds a bit like the "just BE" philosophy of many New Agers, does it not?) "We humans believe we must "work" to earn God's Grace. This is NOT true. We must accept CHRIST as our Savior. HE has taken our burden for us." There is the catch; Christ has taken responsibility for YOU! Do you see how deceptive the adversary is? "God will take care of you. You need do nothing. You are not responsible. Christ is your Savior"...ad nauseam!
I am not YOUR savior. YOU are your Savior. And the good news is YOU will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION. It is really so simple, chelas. You see, GRACE also is a wondrous quality of EFFORTLESS GIVING AND REGIVING BY GOD!
...
WHAT ABOUT "MERCY"?
YOU DESIRE GOD'S MERCY AND FORGIVENESS? THEN YOU MUST PETITION GOD WITHIN YOU TO GUIDE, PROTECT AND SUSTAIN YOU WITH LOVE AND KNOWLEDGE OF THE POWER OF YOUR WILL AND HIS WILL AS ONE!
God IS ALL-FORGIVING MERCY. So then, chelas, forgiveness and mercy must begin within SELF since that is where GOD resides.
The adversary will dissolve in its power when confronted by the Divine Holy Power of GOD WITHIN YOU! WHY? Because EVIL is an illusion developed and sustained by MAN. God's Love, Light and Knowledge is ALL that exists. YOU each are fragments of HIS divided thinking. THERE IS NO SEPARATION OF GOD AND WE OF HIS THOUGHT FRAGMENTS, EXCEPT THROUGH THE BELIEF OF SEPARATION EMBRACED BY LIMITED HUMAN SENSING PERCEPTION. So Be it.
YOU MUST SEEK TO KNOW GOD WITHIN
Only through KNOWING that which is GOD will you KNOW GOD WITHIN ALL. How can you KNOW GOD? BY YOUR DESIRE TO KNOW GOD will HIS Kingdom be revealed within you. He awaits sincere petition of recognition and acceptance of HIS WORD within you. Your song of LIGHT resounds within GOD'S KNOWING and you will dance and sing HIS presence in co-creation as ONE WITH GOD AND ALL THAT IS.
"In all that I AM Father, not MY will, only let THINE WILL BE DONE." And so it is.
Thank you, precious Druthea, for your service. I AM Sananda, ONE with GOD within Creation. I am most pleased to be of service to you, my precious brethren of Earth Shan. Walk together in Absolute Love, Unity and Peace and KNOW Always Our Father walks with you. Salu.
I don't blame you for not being able to think any better. Your Popes are constantly disagreeing about stuff, and changing the rules... as they have been down through all the ages. Get back to the Bible for stability.
I'm sorry you're following the pope who is clearly not following the bible. Yes, we will have to agree to disagree on that. I love the Lord who wants all to come to repentance and is not judging people daily, but only judges us after we've died here (at the time of judgement in the future), as the bible says.
That's where we disagree.
Americans have a problem with authority: they escaped the king of England and they exterminated 100M of native americans to have their "Democracy". They are not even able to follow the Pope which is Vicar of Jesus Christ on Earth.
What's your purpose: exterminate Leaders?
Best regards.
I follow the leader Jesus Christ. He led by example and the bible details it. I don't follow humans who sin.
But the thing is, I keep telling you that Jesus said the only way to the Father was through the Son
And I keep refuting this point of view by telling you that it is merely an interpretation (as explained in StackExchange and Phoenix Journals), and it is not part of the core teaching which is called the New Commandment. He came to show us the path, but his being was not that path; it was his Oneness with God that was significant.but you don't believe that means you have to believe in Him as the savior. The bible talks about sacrifices to get clean from sin...why do you think they sacrificed animals to the Lord?
I don't see anywhere where Jesus referred to himself as a "savior".
You see MMH, I am confused because when I pointed out to you that the New Commandment says nothing about a savior, you responded with the above reference to animal sacrifice; I do not feel like you understand the logic of the New Commandment so instead of thinking clearly about this you choose to refer to the OT, but that is basically you surrendering your discernment to a Book of Errors written by MAN. This is very irrational; if you start with the Bible as dogma, you will end up claiming that all of history aligns to your unreasonable worldview and that GOD was unable to produce an "impossible book" the first time around, just like one fellow named BADecker, who states:
"Scholars [who added to the Gospel of Mark] didn't get into God's mind to see that He wanted that ending in there, so He had it added later."
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12494403
I have a lot of sympathy for BADecker, but I have no more time for irrational lunacy; I hope you can give this discussion the time and thought that it needs so we can come to a clear conclusion about what it means to be a Christian.
They are not even able to follow the Pope which is Vicar of Jesus Christ on Earth.
I follow the leader Jesus Christ. He led by example and the bible details it. I don't follow humans who sin.
Just listen to yourselves. It's like two children in a playground squabbling over who's got the best yo-yo.
What you fail to see is that you both worship man. You have been all along. I'm surprised with all this man worshipping going on you've got any time left for God.
Catholics worship the pope. (MAN)
Christians worship Jesus. (MAN)
You're alot closer to each other than you would both care to admit.
Naturally of course you will deny this till your blue in the face. So please don't bother replying.
Christians worship the Father in Heaven (God) who created us all and deserves the glory, they follow Jesus's example on how to live on earth.
Now you are contradicting yourself, MMH. First you said that to be Christian means to accept Jesus as your "SAVIOR", now you are saying that you only need to follow his "EXAMPLE".
Just to be clear, I am quoting your earlier post and highlighting the part that appears to be a contradiction.
At least 1aguar thinks that the thing he follows is God. So, he is better than the atheists who don't even know (most of the time) that they are making themselves out to be God by their atheism.
Brother, there is only One God; my beliefs qualify as Christian, as you saw MMH admit; there is a simple test:
The Messenger who you follow gave you only ONE Commandment;
No need to deify the messenger when his commandment was as simple as it IS!
I did not admit it's Christian, because you do not believe Jesus saves us. That's not Christian. Following Jesus's 2 commandments is. You do NOT.
Loving the Lord with all your heart, mind and soul is loving Him as your Creator and loving Jesus as your savior. Anything less is breaking it and not Christian.
And Jesus gave 2 commandments, not just one. They encompass the 10 commandments.
Brother, there is NOTHING about a savior or the person of Emmanuel in Jesus' New Commandment. Whether it is one or two does not make a difference, we both know what is meant by the New Commandment.
He said "love one another as I have loved you", not "love one another because I am your savior".
He said "love GOD" and "GOD is within YOU", not "love Jesus, your savior, for I will forgive you".
So like I said, the ONE Commandment is to love one another, that is to say that we are to follow his EXAMPLE, and there is no need to deify the messenger, since he was a MAN who INCARNATED, as detailed in the Phoenix Journals which explain all of this quite clearly.
Some atheists hate religions, some don't. I'm an atheist and I don't hate religions, but I know some who do
Liking your English doesn't have anything to do with it. Understanding your English is the problem. It's kinda like talking about the piss. What in the world does that mean? Are you Russian now?
I understand.
Thank You for the discussion: talking your language help me understand the World.
Italian is not very know and italian is my mother tongue.
Russian and Americans are all the same: they are coming from Japhet, son of Noah, and father of all the European People.
Thank You.
Best regards.
Same problem. You can't seem to express yourself adequately to be understood.
Are you taking the piss or you really don't like my English?
Liking your English doesn't have anything to do with it. Understanding your English is the problem. It's kinda like talking about the piss. What in the world does that mean? Are you Russian now?
Same problem. You can't seem to express yourself adequately to be understood.
Are you taking the piss or you really don't like my English?
I don't understand what you mean. Are you a child? Or are you using a bad translator?
If you I was a child what would be the problem?
Same problem. You can't seem to express yourself adequately to be understood.
I don't understand what you mean. Are you a child? Or are you using a bad translator?
If you I was a child what would be the problem?
Not sure what you mean. If you mean that you do not accept the salvation worked for all of us by Jesus, then you will not be saved... unless you turn and accept Jesus salvation.
Is that Common sense really so in danger that you need to protect it with faith?
Thank You.
Best regards.
I don't understand what you mean. Are you a child? Or are you using a bad translator?
Not sure what you mean. If you mean that you do not accept the salvation worked for all of us by Jesus, then you will not be saved... unless you turn and accept Jesus salvation.
Is that Common sense really so in danger that you need to protect it with faith?
Thank You.
Best regards.
And I am not stating that you will not be saved because you follow the Pope. Be sure that you accept Jesus salvation for yourself.
Man: I accept no man.
Thank would be gay.
Thank You
Best regards.
Not sure what you mean. If you mean that you do not accept the salvation worked for all of us by Jesus, then you will not be saved... unless you turn and accept Jesus salvation.
And I am not stating that you will not be saved because you follow the Pope. Be sure that you accept Jesus salvation for yourself.
Man: I accept no man.
Thank would be gay.
Thank You
Best regards.
No, and you don't either. Why not? Because we both know about God, and have seen the promises where He says that He will raise us. Or haven't you been reading the bible enough for that? So, it isn't entirely blind faith.
You have faith that is important, that can be strong or weak but you have it: that's all that it matters.
Thank You.
Best regards.
And I am not stating that you will not be saved because you follow the Pope. Be sure that you accept Jesus salvation for yourself.
No, and you don't either. Why not? Because we both know about God, and have seen the promises where He says that He will raise us. Or haven't you been reading the bible enough for that? So, it isn't entirely blind faith.
You have faith that is important, that can be strong or weak but you have it: that's all that it matters.
Thank You.
Best regards.
What makes you think that Jesus came in blind faith? Actually, it is just the opposite. Jesus knew exactly what would happen if He did or didn't do His work of salvation on the cross. You can see this from all the things that He taught His disciples, so that they were amazed at His understanding. His trust that His Father would raise Him from the dead was part of His faith.
If you think you will be raised from death you have blind faith.
Thank You.
No, and you don't either. Why not? Because we both know about God, and have seen the promises where He says that He will raise us. Or haven't you been reading the bible enough for that? So, it isn't entirely blind faith.
What makes you think that Jesus came in blind faith? Actually, it is just the opposite. Jesus knew exactly what would happen if He did or didn't do His work of salvation on the cross. You can see this from all the things that He taught His disciples, so that they were amazed at His understanding. His trust that His Father would raise Him from the dead was part of His faith.
If you think you will be raised from death you have blind faith.
Thank You.
Thank you. It is very common sensical to examine the facts, and then to base faith on the facts.
Jesus Christ came in blind faith why shouldn't we?
Best regards.
What makes you think that Jesus came in blind faith? Actually, it is just the opposite. Jesus knew exactly what would happen if He did or didn't do His work of salvation on the cross. You can see this from all the things that He taught His disciples, so that they were amazed at His understanding. His trust that His Father would raise Him from the dead was part of His faith.
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