Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 329. (Read 901367 times)

Abraham and the others believed God, and it was considered righteousness for them.

You don't know that Jesus never gave a particular command. Why? Because Jesus said many more things in His life than what is written in the Bible.

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me."

When Jesus said that the Kingdom of God is or comes within you, He was talking to those who believed in Him for salvation.

Many people who do their works do it in the light that they have in their homes. Consider that I am using light to do my work of contacting you through this forum.

If you do not accept Jesus as your Savior, you do not have the Kingdom of God within you.

The Lord gave us predictions that Jesus would come to save us. Before Jesus came, they had to sacrifice/spill blood to get clean. When Jesus came, they stopped doing the sacrifices because Jesus WAS OUR SACRIFICE. His blood is what gets us clean. If you do not get covered by His grace, you are not clean.

The Holy Spirit is inside of us.

1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20 For you have been bought with a price : therefore glorify God in your body.

Jesus Christ was the sacrifice and so if you are clean (by believing in Jesus and getting the Holy Spirit), your body is now a temple of God.

Jesus was the sacrifice, we are just a temple.


1) It is enough. You're breaking it by not loving the Lord with all your heart, mind, soul by denying that Jesus had to die to be the sacrifice for us to get clean.
2) Yes, if you would love the Lord with all your heart, mind and soul.



John 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Galatians 2:20  I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

The bible clearly says people need a sacrifice to get clean, Jesus was this sacrifice (a gift from God), and we need to believe in Him to get it.

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The will is to Love the Lord with all our hearts, mind and soul, and believe in Him. If you doubt His word, you doubt Him.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Right, so my questions to you are:
1) Is it not enough for you that these writings teach the truth of the two commandments that Jesus gave us?
2) Did Jesus not state "thou shalt live", which means that there is no other requirement in order to be a Christian?

I love not self over God's Law of goodness, for without God I am nothing, but God resides within me so I must acknowledge that I have the power to obey what he has written upon my heart. When you realize who you are, that is when you start taking responsibility for obeying God, for listening to God who resides within you, for listening to your heart!!

That is a teaching of Paul, it is not the teaching of Jesus.
Jesus did not give any commandments that said "I am your personal savior", or that he died on the cross for you, or anything like that. He gave one commandment, and told you to follow him in his teaching because HE was on the way to the Father. He came to show us the path, but he was not the path itself.
I don't need a go-between or authority figure, I know that God resides within me!

It's not true, because Abraham, Moses, Daniel, etc. were all righteous.

He did not give any commandments that said "I am your personal savior", or anything like that. He gave one commandment, and told you to follow him in his teaching because HE was on the way to the Father.

He came to show us the way, but he was not the way itself. He said the Kingdom of God is within YOU, not within "Jesus"; he said you must do your works in the light, not sit at home "believing" and waiting for rapture. It is so convenient for you and MMH to totally ignore that he said "the Kingdom of God is within you".

Thank you for finally agreeing with the Bible. Now show me the person who does the two great laws.

You can't. There isn't one... except Jesus. Jesus is the only righteous One. He is the only One Who obeyed those laws perfectly. Jesus is the only One Who did what the Father asked. Nobody else. Only Jesus.

How many people will be saved by obeying the two laws? Only One. Only Jesus. Why? Because He is the only One Who will have ever obeyed those two laws perfectly. And the thing that God requires is perfection.

So, how will anybody else be saved? There is only one way that anybody else will be saved. They won't be saved by obeying, because they didn't and won't obey perfectly like the Father requires. They will only be saved if Jesus asks the Father to let them be saved.

Why will they be saved if Jesus asks God to let them be saved? Because Jesus perfectly obeyed the laws, and that gives Him the right to ask for anything. The Father will listen to Jesus when Jesus asks, because Jesus is the only One Who has the right to ask, because Jesus is righteous and nobody else is.

So, who will Jesus ask the Father to save? Isn't it all the people who believe that Jesus is the Savior? No man/woman gets to the Father any other way than through Jesus. Jesus said, "No man comes to the Father but by Me."

Do you want to be saved? You better plead with Jesus Christ to let you be saved. Why? Because Jesus is the only One Who is worthy to ask the Father to let you be saved. You can't and won't obey the two laws perfectly. Only Jesus did and can do that. Only Jesus is acceptable by the Father... only Jesus and anyone that Jesus asks the Father on behalf of.

Will Jesus ask the Father on your behalf? He might. But you better plead with Him to do so. Because if you die today, and you haven't gotten Jesus's approval before the Father, Jesus just might not approve of you before the Father. So get down on your hands and knees and beg Jesus to ask the Father to let you in.

If you do this sincerely - beg Jesus to ask the Father to let you in - Jesus WILL do it. But don't turn away from Jesus any longer. Because if you reject Jesus after you accepted Him, there is no going back.

1aguar the 2 commandments Jesus told us to follow are here:

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

You think you are god, and that everyone is god and you, yourself can save yourself.

This is not loving the Lord thy God with all thy heart! That is loving yourself over God, the creator of us.


The Holy Spirit is inside of us, but we are not God.

1 Corinthians 6:19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own? 20 For you have been bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body.

We (everyone) have been bought for a price, Jesus dying on the cross FOR US. We, Christians, do NOT deny the Lord died for us and we could not be free without Jesus.

You are brainwashed.

Spot on, MMH; Jesus said it is enough if you love your neighbor and love God, and that means that you have to love everyone and (try to) stop sinning, exactly as you have stated.

So, I am confused when you tell me:

I am confused for two reasons:
1) I learned about the importance of obeying God's Law and the New Commandment from the Phoenix Project writings, so apparently they DO provide a Christian teaching. Is it not enough for you that these writings teach the truth of the two commandments that Jesus gave us?
2) You say that Jesus saves us, but Jesus gave this command: "There is none other commandment greater than these", "this do, and thou shalt live", so there is no other requirement in order to be a Christian, and you do NOT need a savior in order to have life. It seems to me that Jesus showed us the path, but he himself was not that path. Would you agree?

Oh dear, I thought we had agreed on an important point, but then I went back and realized that there are some apparent contradictions that confuse me; I hope you can help straighten this out and show a little love to your neighbor as he is helpless to understand all that you have said here, in spite of our agreement.

If there is any truth in the Bible, BADecker fails to understand it, for he chooses belief in a "savior" and denies the written statement of one named Emmanuel who stated: "There is none other commandment greater than these", "this do, and thou shalt live."

Wrong, BADecker; your book has been modified by man throughout the ages. Look at how you twist logic to say that God didn't do his job right the first time around:


Wow, how convenient! No need to think, just believe that all of history aligns to your worldview and your magical thinking.

Contrast this wishful thinking with Phoenix Journals which were scribed very recently;
Fact is that this Grandmother managed to write a 200-page book EVERY 3 WEEKS FOR YEARS, hundreds of books in total.  How was this prodigious output, covering such a wide range of topics, possible?  Please do not be too quick to reject the truthful answer, that she scribed DIRECTLY for our Heavenly Father, exactly as stated.  There probably has NEVER been a scribe so well connected — including all of the great ones acknowledged in all of the holy books.

Introduction to the writings:
 http://phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/gch.html

Jesus said that all you have to do is love God and love your neighbor:
"There is none other commandment greater than these", "this do, and thou shalt live."

He did not give any commandments that said "I am your personal savior", or anything like that, so do not even bother with that for it is not of God.

Jesus said you will live if you follow his New Commandment. You dare to contradict him?

Fuck: I always forget that CT is in there.


He's not Jesus Christ, he's a man.


Thank You.

How can one not been given a choice to believe in something? How can one be forced into believing something if he doesn't want to? I don't quite get this, even if it's not about religion 100% I don't really comprehend the reasoning. 

Thoughts are in your head though. Nobody can effectively force you to think that you're part of a religion beside a physical level. Being an atheist wouldn't require official recognition in a cathedral or being blessed by a priest of a church. If you live independently, you could one day decide that you've had enough and start thinking outside of the religious perspective you had no choice but enduring, and live life that way.

Now I think you're grown enough to make a choice on it. Whether it be public or private is up to you

I don't hate religion. I just don't care. All those books like bible and koran for instance are just books with stories.Something in it might be true and other parts are fiction. Everybody has a choice to believe in religion or not. I believe in science.
And that god created everything, also science etc sorry I can only laugh about. May I burn in hell for that!

What does someone believing in the Lord do to you? If anyone is Christian, they should be respectful at all times, and love everyone as they would themselves. They have a peace about them because they know they're protected, and should not be vengeful or scared. They would be an example to look up to.

Yes, many sin, and don't give off this impression, but at least they're trying. If they aren't trying (to not sin), then they aren't Christian.

You should focus on your broken Faith and the problem we have before thinking you can solve other people problems.


If you think our problem is funny you are funny.


Thank You.

God is God. We don't even understand how the universe works. So how are we going to understand the things of God. You especially. You don't even understand from science that God exists. You really need to get back to your studies.

An atheist has a faith system of believing that God doesn't exist.

If an atheist can be turned to understand that God DOES exist, he might be on a new path that eventually makes him a believer in salvation through Jesus. If that happens, he becomes one of us, and it makes God very happy. Jesus said, Luke 15:7, "I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent."

Who is rejoicing in Heaven over a repentant sinner? Is it the angels? Perhaps. But mostly it is God. Saving sinners makes God extremely joyful.



You are funny.

you just repeat what I say ? you are saying people to believe in SHIT and that is foolish .
shit cant help you nor provide you a peaceful life ,if it can then he would came to earth and stopped the evil .
its a prove shit dosent exists ...lolll