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legendary
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September 20, 2015, 12:02:19 PM


That is not true: as Christian you are teached the dogma of the Holy Trinity:
  • the Father is God
  • the Son is God
  • the Holy Spirit is God
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity


The bible with it's sixty -six books opens with "In the beginning God..."In the beginning of the Bible there was God only and nothing else. At that time God was only in His one aspect the "triune" Father, Son, and Spirit. Therefore, God referred to Himself "Us" and "Our". In Genesis 1:26 God said,"Let Us make man in our image, according to Our likeness." This indicates that God is three - the Father, the Son, and spirit- and therefore has the aspect of being three. Beside this, there was nothing else.

That is what I was referring 9 pages ago:

G-d is an English word indicating deity.

This word is derived first from Latin which, in its turn, derived from Greek as well. This word "God" was first invented in the greek version of the Bible "The Septuagint" from where the Latin and the English version are derived.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Septuagint

In the hebrew version of the Bible (Tanakh) the term G-d is translated with: Elohim, Adonai, El and YHWH.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanakh

Every God's name has it own different meaning. As I think we have lost a lot by incorporating all his names in one word (God) I think it is better to use the word G-d when needed instead using the uncensored version God.

I understand, now, that for you this is not the God's name but you'll never know who will be reading your thoughts so it is better to use the censored version (G-d) to respect the reader.

Hope this is clear enough.

Thank You

The word God is derived from the Greek word Theos.

In the Genesis episode of creation the Hebrew word is Elohim which is the plural of the name Eloah, an expanded form of the common Semitic noun "'il" (ʾēl), which in details is in number:
I don't see why it's odd, to say breaking the commandments is sinning.

That's just wrong.

I'm Christian, I follow Jesus Christ's teachings. Trying to break it down into anything else is complicating something that doesn't have to be complicated.

That doesn't answer my question: what branch of Christianity are you?


Thank You.
legendary
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September 20, 2015, 11:56:41 AM
First of all, there is ONE God over all. That's the one I believe in. Why do I believe when I know? I believe because there is a lot I don't understand about Him.

We have gone all over the place in this thread. So, I will state that I believe the Christian perspective, that is the Bible perspective, on God. I believe that the Bible is a miracle as to how it came into existence. The way the Bible came into existence, and the other facts about it, just couldn't have happened without Divine guidance.

Smiley
So... do you also believe that your god is eternal?
Because if that's the case you assume that your god is an atheist.

Oh, you are simply playing games.

God doesn't need eternity to be God. But He is eternal as far as we are concerned, because that is the only way we can understand the "time" aspect of Him.

God is not an atheist. God readily accepts and acts on the fact that He is God.

The atheist sets himself up as God by claiming decision making ability for something that he can't rightly make a decision about... that there is no God. So, even if there were no God, there still would be a God in the atheist stating such. Thus, without even knowing it, the atheist is a liar, while God is truthful.

Smiley
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September 20, 2015, 11:35:44 AM

I'm glad you find it interesting. But please remember, I believe the pope and priests are people (humans), and therefore, believing one can save you from hell, is doing the same thing, breaking the commandment to put no one above the Lord.

You have a strange concept of Sin.

"Can I ask you a question? What branch of Christianity are you?"


Thank You.

I don't see why it's odd, to say breaking the commandments is sinning.

I'm Christian, I follow Jesus Christ's teachings. Trying to break it down into anything else is complicating something that doesn't have to be complicated.
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September 20, 2015, 11:34:01 AM


That is not true: as Christian you are teached the dogma of the Holy Trinity:
  • the Father is God
  • the Son is God
  • the Holy Spirit is God
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity


The bible with it's sixty -six books opens with "In the beginning God..."In the beginning of the Bible there was God only and nothing else. At that time God was only in His one aspect the "triune" Father, Son, and Spirit. Therefore, God referred to Himself "Us" and "Our". In Genesis 1:26 God said,"Let Us make man in our image, according to Our likeness." This indicates that God is three - the Father, the Son, and spirit- and therefore has the aspect of being three. Beside this, there was nothing else.
legendary
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September 20, 2015, 11:14:09 AM

I'm glad you find it interesting. But please remember, I believe the pope and priests are people (humans), and therefore, believing one can save you from hell, is doing the same thing, breaking the commandment to put no one above the Lord.

You have a strange concept of Sin.

"Can I ask you a question? What branch of Christianity are you?"


Thank You.
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September 20, 2015, 11:10:13 AM

Because there are always people who will claim to be "Christian" and then talk about something that is not Christian. The bible warns us of "Wolves in sheep's clothing".

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
..
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


The will of the Lord is in the commandments, and it's to love the Lord with all our hearts and put no one above Him. Believing you (a human) can save yourself, which is what 1aguar speaks of, is breaking a commandment and not doing the Lord's will.

Thank You for the info.


Thank You.


PS: now I can understand Scientology more clear.

I'm glad you find it interesting. But please remember, I believe the pope and priests are people (humans), and therefore, believing one can save you from hell, is doing the same thing, breaking the commandment to put no one above the Lord.
legendary
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September 20, 2015, 10:26:14 AM

Because there are always people who will claim to be "Christian" and then talk about something that is not Christian. The bible warns us of "Wolves in sheep's clothing".

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
..
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


The will of the Lord is in the commandments, and it's to love the Lord with all our hearts and put no one above Him. Believing you (a human) can save yourself, which is what 1aguar speaks of, is breaking a commandment and not doing the Lord's will.

Thank You for the info.


Thank You.


PS: now I can understand Scientology more clear.
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September 20, 2015, 08:56:13 AM

He doesn't believe that Jesus Christ saves us, so no it's not Christian.

From their website "Phoenix Journals as scribed by 'dharma' for Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn."

Who is Commander Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn?

His answer: "I serve aboard the Command Ship, and I head the Fleet Command.  I am Commander of the United Federation Fleet, Intergalactic Federation Command. " (link)

He's an alien.

So why then the use 1aguar speaks so much about Jesus Christ?


Thank You.

Because there are always people who will claim to be "Christian" and then talk about something that is not Christian. The bible warns us of "Wolves in sheep's clothing".

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
..
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


The will of the Lord is in the commandments, and it's to love the Lord with all our hearts and put no one above Him. Believing you (a human) can save yourself, which is what 1aguar speaks of, is breaking a commandment and not doing the Lord's will.
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Spear the bees
September 20, 2015, 08:18:18 AM
First of all, there is ONE God over all. That's the one I believe in. Why do I believe when I know? I believe because there is a lot I don't understand about Him.

We have gone all over the place in this thread. So, I will state that I believe the Christian perspective, that is the Bible perspective, on God. I believe that the Bible is a miracle as to how it came into existence. The way the Bible came into existence, and the other facts about it, just couldn't have happened without Divine guidance.

Smiley
So... do you also believe that your god is eternal?
Because if that's the case you assume that your god is an atheist.
legendary
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September 20, 2015, 07:59:10 AM

He doesn't believe that Jesus Christ saves us, so no it's not Christian.

From their website "Phoenix Journals as scribed by 'dharma' for Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn."

Who is Commander Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn?

His answer: "I serve aboard the Command Ship, and I head the Fleet Command.  I am Commander of the United Federation Fleet, Intergalactic Federation Command. " (link)

He's an alien.

So why then the use 1aguar speaks so much about Jesus Christ?


Thank You.
hero member
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September 20, 2015, 07:53:55 AM
Question: what's the source of the Phoenix Journal? Is some Christian's church?

He doesn't believe that Jesus Christ saves us, so no it's not Christian.

From their website "Phoenix Journals as scribed by 'dharma' for Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn."

Who is Commander Gyeorgos Ceres Hatonn?

His answer: "I serve aboard the Command Ship, and I head the Fleet Command.  I am Commander of the United Federation Fleet, Intergalactic Federation Command. " (link)

He's an alien.
hero member
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September 20, 2015, 01:29:33 AM
i don't hate religion , i tolerate a whole lot of it actually. ( Maybe a bit too much )
I just don't believe in it or practice it , and as a member of secular society i have the right to do so.
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September 19, 2015, 10:36:36 PM
Remember Your Creator
by Witness Lee

To remember your Creator
means to love the Lord
in the days of your youth,
while your eyes still have their
keen sight,while your teeth are
still complete and perfect,
while your are still so strong,
and while your hair is not gray.
Don't wait until it is too late
to love the Lord,
but love Him now,
in the days of your youth.
legendary
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September 19, 2015, 10:08:52 PM

How could I respect myself if I can never outgrow childish fairy tales?

Only once you learn science and understand why the world works can one truly respect themselves.

You cannot learn science, you can know science and the science you are implying here is not very specific.

What do you want to know?


Thank You.
Vod
legendary
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Licking my boob since 1970
September 19, 2015, 07:54:34 PM
Start to believe that there is one God.

Start to respect the Pope.

Start to respect others.

Then, maybe, you can start to respect yourself.

How could I respect myself if I can never outgrow childish fairy tales?

Only once you learn science and understand why the world works can one truly respect themselves.
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September 19, 2015, 07:00:03 PM
Your proof of life after death means nothing if we're all in a matrix style machine or simulation.
Then what would that say about God? That God is a deceiver? I am not buying it!

I know we're not, I believe in God. But I was pointing out your proof was not proof to atheists.

I wasn't trying to prove anything to you.
legendary
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September 19, 2015, 06:17:54 PM

You don't need to have any.

I explained precisely why, would you not have wanted at least a reasoned explanation?



You need faith in Life.

If not, we are not talking the same language.


Thank You.
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September 19, 2015, 06:11:01 PM
Simple question.  If there is one god, one savior, one teaching or what now.

Why is Christianity not the oldest religion.  Its not the first. Hinduism dates back a few thousand years before Christians even existed.  How can this be?  There was a God before the God we all follow today?  People worshiped anther deity?

If this is true which god or Gods are the fake ones.  Made up?  I think some have to be.  If there are multiple religions why?  Dont you think there should be one?

Again. Christianity is a belief system.  But it doesn't make it true.



Start to believe that there is one God.

Start to respect the Pope.

Start to respect others.

Then, maybe, you can start to respect yourself.


Thank You.

I believe in God. I respect the Abrahamic faiths but do not adhere to them (as God knows.)

But I do not necessarily feel the need to believe in the Pope because I have an understanding of the history of the formation of the Catholic Church - i.e. the political context at the time, the Council of Niacea and the fact that Christians were becoming a political thorn in the side of the occupying force, after 300+ years of persecution.

I believe Jesus was a prophet. His divinity is up for debate, but that is certainly not helped by Atheist positions (some even choosing to ignore the obvious fact that a man called Jesus existed, as the historical record appears to show.)

The transition of the Roman Imperial Cult into the Roman Catholic Church was an interesting political U-Turn to say the least. But not at odds with the Roman Empire's history of bringing foreign religions 'into the fold' in some way, be it through the creation of sub-governance as was the case in Jesus' time or though other means.

Wasn't easier to say "I'm not Christian"?

Why all the talking?

I'm loosing my Faith in this conversation...

Thank You.

You don't need to have any.

I explained precisely why, would you not have wanted at least a reasoned explanation?

legendary
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September 19, 2015, 03:23:17 PM
Like I said, my advice is to read ALL EVIDENCE and ALL teachings and then you can judge in wisdom of knowledge and discern for yourself which one(s) are valid truth, AFTER YOU DO SOME THINKING. God does not stop you from educating yourself or thinking for yourself; indeed, God's people die for lack of knowledge.

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So: you think you have solved a problem people is trying to solve since 5700 years ago?
Yes; and so what?? Science is powerful, and so is logic. My proof is just an updated rendering of Plato's Allegory of the Cave (Plato was aware about life-after-death).

"What are the Laws of God and Creation?" is another ancient question, and it is sufficiently addressed in Phoenix Journal #27, which was only published near the end of the previous century. "Keep asking, and it will be given to you. Keep searching, and you will find."

A reminder: To be rational means that you can intelligently evaluate new ideas when presented.
Has anyone intelligently evaluated the evidence and teachings that I have humbly presented?
Apparently, "faith" is easier and so is "doubt". These teachings are simply too much of a new paradigm that otherwise intelligent people will dismiss them offhand; same with the scientific evidence for rebirth.

Hard facts of reality:
YOU are your Savior. And the good news is YOU will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION. It is really so simple.

EACH and every one of you Human Beings carries with you the TEMPLE OF GOD WITHIN YOU! You are the temple. And so with this truth in mind you might ask yourselves, WHERE do YOU take God in your life journey? So you must not place the attainment and hoarding of "worldly" treasures above the attainment of your spiritual wisdom and perfection lest ye "die" in the darkness of spiritual poverty.


I am not going to bother with this thread anymore since anyone can proclaim that "God is dead" or "Jesus is your savior" or "nothing comes after death" and think that they don't have to explain themselves; others will ask questions but will not follow-up on the answers that I provide. I appreciate the efforts of thefaucetrunner and anyone who tries to use reason. I will not repeat myself and I wait for intelligent replies ONLY. Thank YOU.

Search the contents of Phoenix Journals here:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/site_search.html

It is not a theological answer to explain WHY.

Science told you WHY.

That is why we got discussing WHY God exist.

You either believe or you don't believe in God.

"Those who don't believe in God are called atheists".

Question: what's the source of the Phoenix Journal? Is some Christian's church?


Thank You.
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September 19, 2015, 03:10:52 PM
Like I said, my advice is to read ALL EVIDENCE and ALL teachings and then you can judge in wisdom of knowledge and discern for yourself which one(s) are valid truth, AFTER YOU DO SOME THINKING. God does not stop you from educating yourself or thinking for yourself; indeed, God's people die for lack of knowledge.

Quote from: BitNow
So: you think you have solved a problem people is trying to solve since 5700 years ago?
Yes; and so what?? Science is powerful, and so is logic. My proof is just an updated rendering of Plato's Allegory of the Cave (Plato was aware about life-after-death).

"What are the Laws of God and Creation?" is another ancient question, and it is sufficiently addressed in Phoenix Journal #27, which was only published near the end of the previous century. "Keep asking, and it will be given to you. Keep searching, and you will find."

A reminder: To be rational means that you can intelligently evaluate new ideas when presented.
Has anyone intelligently evaluated the evidence and teachings that I have humbly presented?
Apparently, "faith" is easier and so is "doubt". These teachings are simply too much of a new paradigm that otherwise intelligent people will dismiss them offhand; same with the scientific evidence for rebirth.

Hard facts of reality:
YOU are your Savior. And the good news is YOU will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION. It is really so simple.

EACH and every one of you Human Beings carries with you the TEMPLE OF GOD WITHIN YOU! You are the temple. And so with this truth in mind you might ask yourselves, WHERE do YOU take God in your life journey? So you must not place the attainment and hoarding of "worldly" treasures above the attainment of your spiritual wisdom and perfection lest ye "die" in the darkness of spiritual poverty.


I am not going to bother with this thread anymore since anyone can proclaim that "God is dead" or "Jesus is your savior" or "nothing comes after death" and think that they don't have to explain themselves; others will ask questions but will not follow-up on the answers that I provide. I appreciate the efforts of thefaucetrunner and anyone who tries to use reason. I will not repeat myself and I wait for intelligent replies ONLY. Thank YOU.

Search the contents of Phoenix Journals here:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/site_search.html
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