Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 337. (Read 901342 times)

The bible clearly predicted Jesus coming and Jesus returning. There is no mention of a Pope or Queen being born to the Lord who created us to do anything. Although, it does talk about a beast coming up.... If the woman represents a church, it can easily describe the papacy. Purple and scarlet, the robes of the clergy?

Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. 7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. 8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. 11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. 14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. 15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. 16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. 18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

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No, I am quite filled with the Holy Spirit to lead me towards the one true Lord. Following His commandments and confessing to the Lord (not a priest) as Jesus told us to do. The bible clearly says Jesus is coming on the clouds and all eyes will see.

Saying that in another way: our Faith is not strong enough for being called Christians as we are not believing the Vicars of Christ on Earth.

That means that, if we have lived during Jesus Christ time (2000 years ago), we won't have believed Jesus Christ.

We would had be the people calling "Barabba, Barabba" when Pilate were making us choose between Jesus Christ and Barabba in the Pilat judgment of Jesus Christ.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilate%27s_court

Hope this is understandable English enough.


Thank You.

Jesus Christ claimed he was the son of God.

How does this make any difference from the Supreme Governor of the Anglican Church or the Bishop of Rome?

The only difference is that they are living during our times.

Hence the question: would we have believed in Jesus Christ if we were living during his times?

I the answer is yes we should believe in the Supreme Governor of the Anglican Church or the Bishop of Rome now, if the answer is no then we are not Christians.

Hope this is understandable English enough.


Thank You.

If you think "The Queen of England is a God" and they are born of "gods" then it is not scriptural and you are only proving to me that it is more and more like a pagan religion than I ever thought it was.

Yes, but when Jesus Christ returns then He will "clean up" and there will be no more sinners. Since there are sinners, this means Jesus has not come back yet.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

I was responding to you when you said the pope was Jesus.

The Pope is the Vicar of Christ on Earth, please read the definition before keep going forward with that discussion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicar_of_Christ

"The Pope is Jesus Christ" is a simplification I used to make you understood my point.

If a person is the Vicar of Jesus Christ it means that this person has the same powers of Jesus Christ because he gave directly to him/her that powers.

That's the explanation.


The pope did born as a person from a woman because he/her is a man/woman himself/herself.

Although I'm not 100% sure on that as:

• The Queen of England is a God in her secular side (Queen of England) and the monarchs of England descend directly form Gods. The Queen of England as the Pope of the Anglican Church (Church of England) I'm not sure she has God powers.
• The bishop of Rome could be a God for the Primacy of the Bishop of Rome. Ref: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primacy_of_the_Bishop_of_Rome

End of story (cause you are not helping me there...) is: two person on Earth claim God powers or direct talk with God.

Those two persons are: the Bishop of Rome (Pope Francis) and the Supreme Governor of the Anglican Church (Queen Elisabeth II)


Sinners were there also during Jesus Christ times (2000 years ago).


Thank You.

The bible clearly talks about the Son and the Father. I'm showing you bible verses showing that we follow Jesus Christ and what He said.

Did the pope come on the clouds? I didn't see the pope on the clouds... hmm....

If the pope IS Jesus Christ then why are the sinners still here?

The Pope is Jesus Christ.

Why you keep confounding the two person?

And, BYTW, we are all polytheists according to Jews and Muslims (because Trinity means that God is three and one at the same time).


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Au contraire. Jesus said He was the way, the truth and the life and no one should get to the Father but through Him. We are still following Jesus, who is making a place for us and going to return.

John 14:3 "If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also. 4 "And you know the way where I am going." 5 Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going, how do we know the way?" 6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me

And when He comes all eyes will see Him, and no one will doubt it is the Lord.

Revelation 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

There is no doubt, He has not come back yet.

The vicary of Christ has nothing to do with the resurrection of Christ.

Has something to do with the Matthew 16:18 as you already expressed.


That's what I asked 6 pages ago: why you all keep discussing the primacy of the Pope?

If you are discussing the primacy of the Pope now, who assure me that you won't be discussing the divinity of Jesus Christ if you were living during his years (2000 years ago).

By discussing the primacy of Peter you are showing how weak your Faith is.

As easy as that.


Thank You.

Paul opposes Peter, Acts 2:11-21:

And this is only a tiny piece of the gifts God gives to His people.

The first part matches the general living conditions of the day and time in which it was written. It protects the women in ways that they were not protected before.

The second part attempts to raise mankind up to the status of God. God created the whole universe in 6 days. Then He rested the 7th day.

Punishments exist because the people of Israel agreed to do what God would tell them to do, before He told it to them. It was their request to be God-like, and their agreement. Death penalty for failure in certain areas was part of their agreement.

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.  But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her.  And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter.  If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife.  If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.  (Exodus 21:7-11)

You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day must be a Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day dedicated to the LORD. Anyone who works on that day must be put to death.

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From: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12418159.

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At the resurrection of Jesus, Who were the first people to see Him after He was made alive again. Weren't they the women? The women were first to see Him after His resurrection.

Why were the women the first to see Him then? After all, the women do not hold a prominent place over the men in the New Testament, and very seldomly in the Old. Wasn't it because they were there, at the tomb, after He arose? But the men weren't.

Similarly, the only reason Peter was held up above the rest of the apostles was he was there. In life before he met Jesus, he was a butt of a forward person. He was among men what a "woman liber" is among women. He was pushy and boastful to some extent. And God simply used it, BECAUSE HE WAS THERE.

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Notice the fickleness of Peter in the following Bible verses. The Roman Catholic Church probably DOES follow the pattern of Peter. If you look at all the Papal Bulls, you can see the fickleness of the Church over the ages. But God never changes. So why follow the fickleness of Peter? Matthew 16:16-23:
When Jesus said "And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it," He wasn't enlisting or recruiting or installing Peter as His vicar here on earth. Rather, He was making the distinction between Peter and the church.

As long as anyone holds to the expression of faith that Peter expressed, that person is part of the church. It has nothing to do with promoting Peter as vicar, or setting up a head of the Church on earth. We can see below that, that Peter was even called Satan by Jesus. However, that is the way the leaders of the Roman Catholic Church in Rome often act... like Satan, basing salvation on good works or lack of bad ones, rather than basing salvation of the work of Jesus on the cross.

Peter denied Jesus before Pilate, when Jesus was being judged, just before He was crucified. Sure, it was a moment of weakness. But by his denial he was not included as one of the apostles until he was reinstated by the arisen Christ. See how it happened by reading from the Gospel of John, chapter 18 to the end.

Then I will never answer your question.


Thank You.

If you mean respecting the pope as a person... we're to love everyone on the earth. So I love him as any other human being on the earth.

If you mean respecting him as Jesus, I will never.

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Please do all the above and I may answer your question.


Thank You.

I'm still wondering why you think breaking the commandments isn't sinning. Would you like to let me know why at least?

Could you stop discussing the primacy of the Pope?

This is start to become annoying.


Thank You.

You're the one who was talking crazy saying other people were the ruler of the world and Jesus was gay. I was simply pointing out the Lord is the only ruler over everything.