Topic: Why do Atheists Hate Religion? - page 340. (Read 901367 times)

You don't need to have any.

I explained precisely why, would you not have wanted at least a reasoned explanation?

It is not a theological answer to explain WHY.

Science told you WHY.

That is why we got discussing WHY God exist.

You either believe or you don't believe in God.

"Those who don't believe in God are called atheists".

Question: what's the source of the Phoenix Journal? Is some Christian's church?


Thank You.

Like I said, my advice is to read ALL EVIDENCE and ALL teachings and then you can judge in wisdom of knowledge and discern for yourself which one(s) are valid truth, AFTER YOU DO SOME THINKING. God does not stop you from educating yourself or thinking for yourself; indeed, God's people die for lack of knowledge.


A reminder: To be rational means that you can intelligently evaluate new ideas when presented.
Has anyone intelligently evaluated the evidence and teachings that I have humbly presented?
Apparently, "faith" is easier and so is "doubt". These teachings are simply too much of a new paradigm that otherwise intelligent people will dismiss them offhand; same with the scientific evidence for rebirth.

Hard facts of reality:
YOU are your Savior. And the good news is YOU will EARN your way into God's Grace by standing responsible for self and obeying THE LAWS OF GOD/CREATION. It is really so simple.

EACH and every one of you Human Beings carries with you the TEMPLE OF GOD WITHIN YOU! You are the temple. And so with this truth in mind you might ask yourselves, WHERE do YOU take God in your life journey? So you must not place the attainment and hoarding of "worldly" treasures above the attainment of your spiritual wisdom and perfection lest ye "die" in the darkness of spiritual poverty.

I am not going to bother with this thread anymore since anyone can proclaim that "God is dead" or "Jesus is your savior" or "nothing comes after death" and think that they don't have to explain themselves; others will ask questions but will not follow-up on the answers that I provide. I appreciate the efforts of thefaucetrunner and anyone who tries to use reason. I will not repeat myself and I wait for intelligent replies ONLY. Thank YOU.

Search the contents of Phoenix Journals here:
http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/html/site_search.html

That is not true: as Christian you are teached the dogma of the Holy Trinity:

• the Father is God
• the Son is God
• the Holy Spirit is God

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

This is believed to be polytheism by Jews and Muslims.

I think is were all this atheism thing was born.

Christians believe to have faith in one God while Jews and Muslims believe the Holy Trinity is polytheism.

This is already difficult for a Christian, think how much confusion that can generate to people that do not believe in God (the "so called" atheists).

The question here is: do you believe Christianity is polytheist or monotheist?

The Holy Trinity is also missing in many Christian faiths (mormons and a lot others new Christians faiths born in the USA in the last 3 centuries).

I didn't say that before cause I wanted to speak about the Faith in God not the Holy Trinity.

That's why I'm in an atheist thread: to discuss the Faith in God, not to discuss the Holy Trinity.


Thank You.

This is a good way to look at it.  I like the idea.  Just that most people wont look at it this way.  There is one and only one.
They wont even budge to look at another religion. 

Nowadays it seems that people of a different religion tend to shy away or push other religions away.  You seen religious hate all the time.  Why?  We worship one god.  Why is being a Muslin worse then being a Christian.  Some Christians see it this way and vice versa.

The whole this with all this is.  Everyone believes what they wish.

I believe in something but I can not say it is god.

Science yes.  Supreme being no.  Not in the sense of Christianity anyways.

That is something else I dont really like to hear.  Have faith.  What does that really mean?  It means to believe in God.

It always amazed me how much I use to hear this in church when I was younger.  If I had faith I would tend to auto lean towards god. as by definition.  There for I can not have faith because I do not.

Now like I said I am open to all religions and other aspects of life.  

The question is.  Does a Christian?  Seems like what they are taught seems to be the only thing they see.  Many if not most of all of them will not hear there may be an alternative.  Which is possible that there may be.  Nor would they ever hear God or Jess never existed in the way that they were taught.  Exactly that.  They were never taught or were ever told that there just may be another way or another being. Or another religion.  

I am bashing on no one here.  I am simply saying that I wish people of religion would be open to the possibility or a wrong teaching or another way or being.  Or that it is possible that there may be nothing at.  Besides true physics and science.

That is really all I am saying.  Just wish people were more open to the idea.  Instead of being. This is how it is and that is that.

It's possible that there is "one god" whose properties distribute both objectively and subjectively, or impersonally and personally, to each person such that God is both one and many.  Accordingly, a person who claims Jesus is the only way may very well be correct at the same time that someone who claims Allah is the only way is also correct, and at the same time someone who claims achieving Nirvana is the only way is correct, etc.  In other words, it's possible that everyone worships the same impersonal God by worshipping their own personal gods.  This can be logically modeled so long as there is a general archetype for a relationship between impersonal God and us that allows for topological variations in the expression of that relationship.

You didn't answered my question:

My question: you think you have solved a problem people is trying to solve since 5700 years ago?

What makes you so sure that you have proved God's existence?


Thank You.

52 points of evidence suggest otherwise.
www.near-death.com/evidence.html

"You are".


Thank You.

BitNow is a total hypocrite; he has the honor of being the first one to make it to my ignore list.

I have a concise logical proof demonstrating that God exists based on definitions; please tell me which step of the proof you disagree with.

My proof defines God sufficiently, and yes it is based on external (observable, scientific) evidence; if my definition is missing something, you can point it out explicitly, hopefully after reading the proof carefully to understand the logic.

My definition: A supreme being who is the founder and guarantor of knowledge.
My proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.5300

My advice is to read ALL teachings and then you can judge in wisdom of knowledge and discern for yourself which one(s) are valid truth.

I don't need to answer your question because you are starting from the wrong hypothesis: you don't believe in God.

I told you the way, that's your choice now.


You don't: the doubts that you clearly expressed told us that.
Doubts like that:


That is caused by your lack of Faith.

Start believing and you will see.


Then you will never believe.


The "above" is the answer.


If you don't know and you don't want to answer you will never find the Way.

You need to do to reach you goals, thinking is not enough.


You are not closed minded, that's fine, you need to start to do something to reach your goals: you cannot think and hope that somebody will do what you are thinking for you.

"That is called slavery".


That was already clear.


Thank You.

Find it funny that there was no answer to my questions.

I have a load of respect for myself and others that I know.

See I think this is one of the problems with religion.  Everyone seems to be clouded by what they are taught.  That there is only one.  What if your wrong.  

I wont be believe in god, the pope, or the teachings until someone can prove to me its real.  

But again instead of a legitimate answer I get the above.

That is something else I hate about religion.  When something cant be explained you are told to ask the holy spirit, or read the bible for the answers, or pray that you may find the answer.  It rubbish for you don't know and don't want to answer.

You have no idea how much it irritates me that people are so close minded.  

Im open to the ideas of any religion.  It they have evidence of existence besides someones word or teachings that can not be proven to be true nor false.

Wasn't easier to say "I'm not Christian"?

Why all the talking?

I'm loosing my Faith in this conversation...

Thank You.

I believe in God. I respect the Abrahamic faiths but do not adhere to them (as God knows.)

But I do not necessarily feel the need to believe in the Pope because I have an understanding of the history of the formation of the Catholic Church - i.e. the political context at the time, the Council of Niacea and the fact that Christians were becoming a political thorn in the side of the occupying force, after 300+ years of persecution.

I believe Jesus was a prophet. His divinity is up for debate, but that is certainly not helped by Atheist positions (some even choosing to ignore the obvious fact that a man called Jesus existed, as the historical record appears to show.)

The transition of the Roman Imperial Cult into the Roman Catholic Church was an interesting political U-Turn to say the least. But not at odds with the Roman Empire's history of bringing foreign religions 'into the fold' in some way, be it through the creation of sub-governance as was the case in Jesus' time or though other means.

Start to believe that there is one God.

Start to respect the Pope.

Start to respect others.

Then, maybe, you can start to respect yourself.


Thank You.

Simple question.  If there is one god, one savior, one teaching or what now.

Why is Christianity not the oldest religion.  Its not the first. Hinduism dates back a few thousand years before Christians even existed.  How can this be?  There was a God before the God we all follow today?  People worshiped anther deity?

If this is true which god or Gods are the fake ones.  Made up?  I think some have to be.  If there are multiple religions why?  Dont you think there should be one?

Again. Christianity is a belief system.  But it doesn't make it true.

yes of course he is doing what his holy worshipped saints did (kill if they don't believe)..
but his whole point was just to insult atheists..

The Journals are free. Print them out if you wish; the paper emits less EMF than your computer screen.

Emmanuel tried to teach the truth nearly 2,000 years ago, and he never once suggested that he was my "savior". That is a deception of the adversary because no one can take responsibility for another when it comes to obeying God's Laws--that is magical thinking and it is totally against all reason and also contrary to Psalms 1 where it says that one is blessed if one "meditates upon God's Law day and night"; a "savior" is also synonymous with the idea that one is separate from God, which is not true because "God resides within you".

Let us again review what fundamentalists like BADecker are saying:


You call these Journals stupid, but you make that claim in total ignorance (you have not read any Journal), just like you believe that all of history aligns to your worldview and your magical thinking--it is totally wishful thinking and willful ignorance. How nice that you don't have to think about information and rationally evaluate it.

Since the Phoenix Journals are free, it seems to me like your salary depends on you not understanding certain things, like the concept of magical thinking and the fact that Man has tampered with the Bible on many occasions.
By the way, you have failed to reply to my questions here; I am tired of having to re-state them:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.12423520